Recently,
I've became fairly discouraged with this site. I get on the site multiple times every day, and each time I get on, I find all kinds of new stuff that irritates me.

Mindless, completely-useless posts in off-topic; non-related, stupid, or mean posts that ruin what would be good threads; topic titles that don't follow the rules in buying/selling that have been there for well over a year; people who only come to the site to cause trouble or irritate people; It all irritates me, along with the rest of the site's management.

We, the management of the site, think that lately the forums as a whole have gone a bit downhill, but we're curious what all of you think.

We're also curious as to what you all think should be done. Pete's in Japan and couldn't get in on the discussion of this idea, but Tim and I are considering changing the off-topic forum to be an "other cars" forum. That most likely won't happen, but we're sick of the completely pointless posts in off-topic. We all also are considering what to do about the people who constantly question others such as in the Lori Ann thread, and what to do about the people who constantly post pointless, off-topic stuff in the Celica forums, and what to do about the people who always post mean stuff on the site, and what to do about people who are mean to girls and treat them as if they've never talked to a girl before. I've had at least four girls talk to me and say that they didn't want to join the site or post in the forums, simply because of the way girls are treated on the site.

Tim is sick of it. John is sick of it. Pete is sick of it. I'm sick of it. Tim put it well when he said, "i feel like i havent left highschool yet when i go on 6gc..."

We're just wondering, what do you all think about what's happened lately, and what do you think should be done?

I totally agree with Chris on this one.....especially when it comes to the way most of the people here treat girls, i see people post a pic of a car and it has a pic of their g/f's next to it and everyone hounds the girl or the user to show pics of his own g/f..IMO that's disrespect..and with the pointless posts as much as i hate it coom i think it's always gonna be there. Face it there are some idiots that come here to just mess around and get nothing accomplished, especially on a off topic section. I dont think you should change it to the "other cars" section because this is a 6gen site only. I think there should be some action taken on the people who do talk crap,insult everyone,mess w/the girls etc...unfortunately it has to be done cuz sadly everyone has not grown up. Maybe if theres a way to give somewhat of a 3 strike warning and if u mess up ure ip or somethin get's banned..this should go as well for the bad sellers.

Well thats just my 2 cents.

-Chris-

Nothing personal coomer: this may be a car site, but it is one of the "nicer" forums I've been to. If members don't want to join because of people being unfriend tell them to go to celica.net and see how nice they are there. I have learned a lot from this site, and I am greatful for that. I think people are serious when they need to be. There is only so much that can be said about the 6gc though. No one wants to talk cars 24/7. I can promise you that my rediculous posts have made people smile on bad days. I just think a lot of us here ARE adults or are moderatly appropriate. I understand that there needs to be som censorship, which I think is appropriately done as is. I feel safe to browse at work and sure there is a few exceptional threads, but browse the internet for 10 minutes where anyone else talks and see if you can avoid it.

I agree that the b/s thread violations were bs, but thats something you should use that warning system you came up with. Rules are supposed to be read blah blah blah.

Once again, as pointless as some of the off-topic posts are, I like to see them. I don't want to hear about how your you need your EGR for emissions every day. I like seeing how other people live and everything. Its like touring someone elses house.

EDIT: And I also see that some of those comments are directed towards some of my actions. If I came on here and said I was Wesley snipes how many people would believe me? I asked for her to do a simple thing and she agreed to do it. If the girls thing is directed at me, I really dont care. They want equal rights, so they get them. I'll treat them how I treat other guys.

This post has been edited by Andason: Jun 9, 2004 - 11:43 PM

The quality of posts has definately been knocked down a few pegs. A year ago nobody would recognize this 6GC. It was totally different. It was a gateway to information. Recently, it has reminded me of Celica.net. Lots of inappropriate posts in the wrong forums, lots of repeated questions. Yes, B&S forums do not have appropriate tags. Nobody takes time to read the rules.

There are people here who seem to have a large superiority complex and enjoy dragging down posts of others. However, there are many people that are extremely knowledgeable about the Celica. I would imagine these people hesitate to post because of the immaturity of some members of the board.

The useless posts in off-topic. Well, it's off-topic. It's a zoo in there. I'm not sure what you would really expect it to be. It's bad, I'll admit. There's a lot of bashing in there, and a lot of confrontations. However I am not sure where that is going to lead. Making rules for the off-topic forum? What rules are there? No porn, no cussing, keep posts ON-TOPIC? How? What are appropriate threads for off-topic. The members of 6gc.net are just a large group of people. Large groups of people tend to talk about whatever is on their minds. Think about it, when you shoot the shat with your friends, what do you talk about? Probably a lot of random things. That's how I see it here.

I feel particularly bad for the females of the site. Most people DO act like they are the first girls they have ever interacted with. It's just above being in an AOL chatroom. We've got photoshopped pics of girls saying things. We've got battles between males and females. I don't get it. It seems like when a female posts, and gets more attention, it ticks someone off, and a battle begins.

I love 6gc.net. But, it could use a few changes. I'll post more when I read what other people have to say.

The "State of the Union" thread is a good topic. It's constructive. I think we should all express ourselves now. Try and keep names out of it.

personally, I think that this site as a whole is very good in terms of people being respectful towards one another, following rules, ect... but lately it seems that the off topic is getting flooded with garbage. Honelsty there have been times where I have read some of the things in there and thought to myself 'what a waste of space..." before anybody complains 'free speech" remember coomer pays for the hosting on this site. I also have noticed some people treating the forums as a place to get gratificaton in one's life by trying to make others look stupid. not cool... i dunno how that could eaisly be solved, but i have noticed some things getting a little on the rude side. if anything i'd like to see the off topic posts be a little bit more in depth than say the "post somthing im bored" type thred, and weed out the bull. other than that i think that this is a really high quality place, i can see you worked really hard on this site coomer, and it shows >>

Compared to other places I've posted on, 6GC is definitely a lot more tame. As far as immaturity goes, that's to be expected. I've only been here since March, so I can't compare to the old 6GC, but I'm happy here! Thanks for making such a wealth of information possible Coomer.

As a long time reader and short time member of this site i also see the disrespect and immaturity in some of the members. I, though, see it only in a few and it seems to be the same few that are constantly attempting to make others feel inferior. In general i think most know who these "few" are as well as the moderators. Personally when i read a post by one of these "few" i am often times so irritated i leave the site for hours. (which is big for me since i work 5 days a week and spend 6/8 work hours on the net) regarding the off topic sections i do find some of them humorous but once again i see the same immaturity in the "few" who choose to act like they are 5 yrs old. Yet i also see the off topic as an essential part of the site b/c it tends to attract the "few" and leaves the informational forums to what they were designed for. ANd regarding the girls....well i dont frequent the off topic much and i guess thats where most of this female sematism is stemming from. in conclusion i feel it would be in the sites best interest for the moderators to take an active initiative to gain a handle on these "few"

not that it matters but andason you are not in the "few" i refer too....i actually enjoy most of your posts...lol

-FoREpLayAX+Jun 9, 2004 - 11:04 PM

I dont like how newbs are treated. Look at this thread zebt66 He's talking about his 7afe and what he has done to it. Everybody chimes in how 7a's suck get a 3s. It very discouraging for newbs to post after that. I know I would have been like well, screw you guys. I think that the people here should help keep this place above the rest. We should keep the regular forums clean and helpful not aggrivating to a new user thats wants to learn about his car.

OT - Was created for worthless threads let face it. But, I think you should limit the number of new topics started by a member in OT. We all can remember a certain someone posting at least 15 worthless threads in a row. Thats just not right, Alot of very interesting constructive threads were bumped down be cause of it. For the most part the threads are kept porn,cuss,ware free. Which is great ! but people are always gonna argue and disagree there is nothing you can do to stop it.

I think thus far, we have been very mature about dealing with conflicts. Well for the most part anyway.
If this doesnt make any sense sorry I was on the phone while I typed this

thanks for this great site
DEF

get rid of off topic completely ,its useless and taking up space, use AIM for that.

create a forum for trouble makers and make it so they cant view/post in any other forum except that for X amount of days if they mess up

be STRICTER, stop being so nice coom >>

personally, i dont liek to read or post in off topic, no offense, but i dont come here to chit chat, i come here to read about other celicas, and share enthusiast opinions and discussion.

get more moderators!

get a FAQ for each section, I.E. "What springs are best" for suspension forum, "what size speakers do we have" for audio forum, "who makes CAI for the GT" for the engine forum..

all in all, i love this forum, but i use it for what it is, an information database, not the high school cafeteria.

keep up the good work coom, i really respect what your doing >>

I have and still do post on Many boards of different subjects and such. 6GC is BY FAR the nicest I have ever worked with. Granted, some stupid things do happen, but we will never be rid of that. The best we can do is regulate it...which you guys have done quite well at.

The only thing that really irritates me is the posting of Multiple threads in OT by the same members. It's like I go in, see that, and leave. Who wants to sort through 20 mindless BS threads by the the same member to get to the two or three that actually have a point?

My .02

Jon

thats the point, none of the off topic threads have a point, chat rooms, aim, email are all based around chit chat.

theres absolutely no reason for it IMO

-brianforster+Jun 9, 2004 - 11:17 PM

-brianforster+Jun 9, 2004 - 11:19 PM

ok maybe getting rid of off topic is out of hand, i just really dont see the point of it..

i just get so annoyed every time i go in there

i like the idea of it just being a other car forum

I've said something very rude and inapropriate to a girl/woman on here. She called me out on it and I am truely sorry for saying what I said.I understand why a girl might not want to become part of this site after seeing some of the topics and posts. I like the way the site is after seeing the celica.net off topic forum. Out of all the forums I've ever been a part of in the past I feel I've learned more about my car from this one than any others.I just hope this site always stays around and every person,no matter what gender or race, can continue to enjoy and learn from this site.

(I should be at a car meet right now, but instead I'm bogged down at work doing NOTHING)


I agree, and I think the only way to fix a lot of these problems is simply more modding. The current number of mods can't be everywhere at once; so thats why a lot of the incorrect B/S threads etc are staying- the mods only have time to police the major infractions (like Mustang Man) This is my 7th forum since I started on the net (like, regular, checking every single day) and I'd have to say that it's the 2nd best. Sure, a lot of the bad stuff goes on that coomer is pointing out, but it's still very clean, and hasn't degraded yet.


But thats not the point, the point is, something should be done to keep the side from degrading! Sexist activity-

ok I can go to the meet now! I hope jiri and joe are still there.. I'll post more thoughts later! bye

i think there are a few people that should be kick off this site.. we all know who they are .. i might even be one of them..

also the O/T is out of hand.. maybe the O/T should have subtopics to control the kinda threads that are started..

and there is a lot of BS that goes on in the forums.. people ask questions and many times don't get a stright answer.... which is really stupid if you know the answer just answer and if its something you have answered already just don't post and let someon else answer it..

Coomer check the search funtions .. cause the last few times i tried useing.. it hasn't worked that well.. or maybe i'm just using wrong..

Maybe there needs to be a forum added entitled Garbage for the completly useless, mindless topics that are started, but then again that would just a total waste of the sites bandwidth...

Well its time i post my views as well:
1. Cant see the reason for offtopic. IF there isnt one, people that psot there will be posting on another site.
2. some immature posts have been appearing, thats true. The only way to minimise this, is to just not reply to this post. If you dont pay attention to them they will just go away.
3. the FAQ for each section is an excellent idea. I usually learn most of the things from FAQ posts and then i go for more info.
4. On immaturity again, most of the U.S. members are teenagers and highschool kids that have the Celi as their first car. Just imagine how immature these highschool kids are in a HONDA forum. In general, i find them quite mature for their age and personally i can understand them sometimes as i am not very knowledgable about the Celi and sometimes i am even afraid to post in order to avoid people getting on me.

I really did not find this tread needed but i don't visit the off topic section so i dont know how bad things are in there. As for some people posting without following the rules in the B/S section, thats because nobody read the rules. I think if you have a pop up thingy to come up everytime a person starts a new topic in this section would solve this problem in a large degree.

i didnt think we would actually have to clean this thread up...

Coomer, I don't know what to say. Maybe you could use a couple of more mods that can help out? But Lately I have been just checking on the site. I post when the new guy needs a question answered that I can help with. Now some of the other members could be a little more mature about things and be helpful or not post anything at all. But there are some members that probably need to be delt with severly, and we all know of a couple. I duno if you started this thread because of what Clayton posted in C.net. But I will say this about your site that you created. It is by far my fav place to come when I hop on the net. Maybe if the original guys who first came here that still post/lurk the site could help out the little guys when they need the questions answered instead of telling them to use the search opion, which is a great thing by the way, they could tell them what they are looking for and mention to them about using the search option also. I think at this point in time the amount of info that is coming into the site has slowed down a lot since a year ago. Yes this is a great place for info on our generation of car. However we realy haven't had a lot of new things/people coming into the site to add some new things.
Bryan

I'd just like to say that I really like this site. The moderators do a good job from what I can see. I am kind of disappointed when I hear people saying that this engine or that engine sucks and you should get a new one.

I have yet to go into the off topic, and the only point I can see for it is to keep it out of the real forums. Maybe you should delete the off topic forum but keep the button and link it to some other site's forums.

I guess I must be missing out on the degrading, sexist comments cause I don't go in the OT discussions. I don't have to read mindless chit chat from you just because you have the same car as me. I've got a girlfriend who gives me all the mindless chit chat I need. Just kidding, geez don't ban me.

I don't know how to solve all that high-school immaturities, but if you figure it out let me know so I can apply it to every placed I've ever worked. And if you figure out how to get rid of the stupid, degrading, or mean comments, let me know so I can apply that to the rest of my everyday life.

Thanks for the site. Nice work. Maybe you should have a small membership fee for your trouble. And anyone that did'nt have it can only post like 1 topic a month, and only reply a certain amount of times. Then they would think about what they're posting.

I don't even bother to go in the Off Topic Forum anymore, it just doesn't interest
me, now to use it as a discussion on other cars, that would be more useful.
None of us are so blinkered that we only see the Celi as the be all and end all
of cars. Some of us do like other cars aswell but are afraid to reveal this in case
they get dissed on the forum. A forum where you can do this without being made to
feel small would be cool.

As for feeling this site is becoming more "teeny", I have to agree but you
can't barr people out on age or make them feel unwelcome, "this opinion
from an oldie" >>

This post has been edited by jontechie: Jun 10, 2004 - 2:47 AM

Thanks for all of your comments so far. I'll take all of them(that weren't deleted >>) into consideration.

I had a bit of time to cool down and just work on my Celica with no distractions and I was feeling better, but then I came in and found out that Tim had to remove some posts from this thread already. It's really, really sad when we have to remove posts from a thread such as this. But anyway, enough about that.

I think that for now we'll probably keep the off-topic forum, and we'll work on some new rules for the forums, and emphasize them more once they're done. And once those rules are completed, which should be soon, we won't hesitate to ban people who won't follow the rules, and contact their ISP and take legal action if need be.

I'm still curious to hear what everyone else thinks though.

i don't no if it's cause i log on after later than most and y'all have edited out the majority of stuff but I haven't seen anything too bad. my only suggestion would be to set up a warning system like on aol im and if they have reached a certain warning level give 'em the boot.

as far as OT goes if i go in there it's useually cause i'm just trying to pass the time and i'm looking for mindless chit chat. This is the only forum that i visit and i'm lazy so i don't wanna have to go looking for other sources of banter.

overall coom i think the site is great what questions i've asked have gotten reasonable answers and what little knowledge i have i've tried to help others.

I am the newest member I think, and as I said in my profile I love it here, I checked this site out a few times before becoming a member and learned more in 2 or 3 days than I have in 2 months from any other source. This is my first Celica and just from this site alone I already have like half a note book of info and notes just by reading other peoples posts. I my self have only posted one time, till now. While I'm on the subject of posting maybe I'm just dumb but I could not find like a rule page or something along those lines, if someone could hook me up with a link or something that would be cool, I will do my best to follow the guide lines once I read them. I would also like to ad, if you had not noticed my enthusism I really appreciate this site and all the work anyone who is involved in managing this site puts into it, and that I plan to learn a lot thanx- bobby threat

i really like this site, i have not seen anything that is disrespectful to girls, however if its there it need to be removed, and those people need to be delt with. I happen to really like the "off topic" section, I think that most of us have fun just talking abour random stuff and while i love my car sometimes it just get to be to much, and i get board with it. (rare but happens)

value of "off topic"
the off topic section is very valuable to alot of people here, its a great way to hear about things that are going on it peoples lives other then there car, and its cool to discover things that we have in common with other people, maybe make new friends. it has brought a good smile to my face when people post "useless" things there, and a great way to get things off your mind.

what to do.
I think that it would be a good idea to limit the threads down, when i enter a section it has like 1000+ topics, when people only use the first 100 if that. after some time they sould be droped, not only to save server space, but to clear up some junk.
as for the censor stuff, i think that people try to do there best, and i have noticed that many members are still in high school. but there should be a 3 striks your out think, if you offend someone, disrespect someone, or anything inapropriate, than you get a strike. that stuff is not cool. (as far as i know i have not done anything like that but if i have then i'm a good example) maybe people dont know what that they have said something rong, this site is very wide spread to many differant countries (very cool) and there are differant standards in every one, so something that may sound fine to one person may not be to another, its hard to draw that line. and i think that if there warned they can understand it better.

note: your doing a great job on this site, dont beat yourself up over the little things that are not workin out. the overall thing is better than most if not all the ones i have gone to. you and all the management should be very proud >>

These are the same reasons I left celica.net, childish attitudes. But then I guess when you get this many people together your bound to attract a few loosers.

I have noticed a downhill slide with the entire site. But OT feels like its dropped off a cliff. Theres times where i've gone in there and found that the same person has started 5 or 6 new threads. And they arent good threads that people want to talk about, they're completely worthless. Its a waste of space and money. And what tops it off is these people hardly ever post something informative or worth reading. Its really irritating.

Limit the thread count on OT, or limit the time span on the threads. Its totally outta control