I have a friend who was just givin an stx coupe. He says that it does come with a different stroke and cams. I didn't belive him, so , he took me for a ride. He only has an intake and that thing pulls way harder than my st. For even more testing, I raced him. To my surprise he won by a 3/4 to 1 carlength. I have full exhaust with no cat and a resonator. He also said it has different gearing, but I did'nt pay attention to where he shifted in my ride along. He also said it comes with stiffer suspension and that it came from the factory with an unclearcoated front bumper. Also his is like 190 something of like 250. So, uh, I'm really confused.

STX & GTX

Not sure if there's anything more to it then what is explained on that site.

They're the same... STX is just a dealer packaged car... but engine-wise... same as the regular ST...

your friends is full of sheat.. its just a dealer option of some sort.. theres no dif between engines or trannys or gears.. tell him hes a dumbass

problem with that site is, is that his car is a 95'

I almost forgot, his timing is advanced. I don't know by how much, but it still should have been a closer race. We both started from a roll in 2nd at the same speed at the same time and he pulled almost a car. Well, maybe my timing is really crappy. I advanced mine today. I'm not sure by how much though because I did it blind with no timing light and just made sure it did't knock. btw my distributer is turned as far advanced as possible yet the idle is only a little worse.

This post has been edited by Justin: Aug 23, 2004 - 12:52 AM

-Justin+Aug 23, 2004 - 5:47 AM

-Justin+Aug 23, 2004 - 5:49 AM

-Kwanza26+Aug 23, 2004 - 5:53 AM

hey justin its james, "the supra mechanic" just bring your celica over to bills...we have a timing light and any other tool you might need to do some more work on your celica.

no offense to anyone, but the st and stx cannot be the exact same because when is the last time you saw a stock st pull on a light moded mustang gt?...i saw the stx do so right in front of me this weekend...and all we put on the stx is intake and advanced timing...

"quote from kwanza26" If it makes you feel any better... my ST, as it is currently (detuned... going back to stock)... I'll almost gurantee you I'll put at least a car on your friend...

i seriously doubt that from watching this stx perform this weekend...unless youve got i-h-e, ignition and cams...and you say your going back to stock so...you apparently dont have these things at least anymore...

and if any one wants to talk about how a 3s-gte motor is better than a 2jz in a supra...yousa damn fool...you show me a 1450whp 3s-gte and then ill believe that its a better motor then...the reason they swap a 3s-gte into supras for racing is because in jgtc the make a good amount of power and are a great motor, but they are good few hundred pounds lighter than a 2jz...thats why they swap...also $15g in a mkiv supra will get you into low 10's as long as you know what you are doing. the supra that i have helped build up ran a 12.0 quarter w/ only $4500 invested in the motor on stock turbos, ic, fuel sys, suspension and walmart tires! should be running low to mid 11's on low boost now.

now im not trying to start **** and im sorry if it sounds that way...i just know what ive seen and im just trying to explain the evidence.

This post has been edited by jmoneydtb: Aug 23, 2004 - 1:35 PM

Trust us...we live Celicas day in and day out...The Celica STX has the exact same engine as the Celica ST. Maybe the ST you're comparing the STX to isn't running optimally...the same thing could be true with the Mustang that the Celica STX pulled on. But I know for sure that the Celica STX has the same 7A-FE engine as the Celica ST.

And where did the 3S-GTE vs. 2JZ-GTE argument come from? Lets keep this thread on topic.

sorry about the rant on the motors, i just saw someone saying that the 3s-gte can make more power than a 2jz. i live supras day in and day out...so i know for a fact thats not true.

but i just dont think i can be convinced otherwise of the st and stx being the same because of how that car performs infront of my own eyes. the information about the differnce in motors comes from the stx owner who drove it every day for 2 years before coming to own it. it pulled on mustang gt's then and it still does now. this person has also owned a 6th gen gt-4 for 4 years so he is a celica enthusiast as well and has done a lot of research on his celicas.

please dont get me wrong, im not trying to down celicas in anyway.i know they are great cars.

This post has been edited by jmoneydtb: Aug 23, 2004 - 1:47 PM

-jmoneydtb+Aug 23, 2004 - 11:44 AM

same guy that owns this apparently unusually fast stx, his name is tony, and his brother bill, my best friend is the owner of the supra ive mentioned...and i am looking at a mr2 turbo right now, but if it falls through i wouldnt mind having a 6th gen celica...then we could have our race team made up mainly of toyotas...i want justin to join up with our team as well...

only trouble with tony coming on here is that he doesnt have a computer...

-jmoneydtb+Aug 23, 2004 - 12:32 PM

well I am bill, the guy with the supra mentioned above, also the mechanic of all the cars that jmoneydtb mentioned and not to start anything but the stx pulled a full car on the mustang with no problem I was right there with them and there was absolutley nothing wrong with the mustang gt and all my brothers car has is an intake, but the mustang sounded fine just to let you guys know.

It's a V8 Mustang, right? If so, it may have sounded fine, but it either had some serious problems or a really bad driver to get beat by a stock Celica ST.

it was a v8 mustang and the guy drove it fine didn't miss a gear or anything. and the car was running perfectly trust me

tell this guy who has the stx to race the mustang again and when and if it happens, get it on video and post it. until then, i call b.s.

-dstrb

we should get one of those guys that have an stx.. i remeber when i fist joined up here i emailed one of the about one of the mods he had on his car.. we should contact that guy and ask him.. or get intoch with someone the works at toyota

Mr.Supra...quoting this from another forum & I will find more to back it up.

-blksp63supra+Aug 23, 2004 - 2:45 PM

BS



a dealer loaded st-x w/ a cold air intake will not beat a gt period.

good bye

ever consider the fact that the mustang was not racing?

v8 cars can be loud, even when they are not trying to go anywhere. what year mustang was it? any mustang that isnt a NA 4cylinder mustang is faster than a celica ST/STX

any 7afe powered 6gc will need ~200hp to pull on a mustang GT, how do i know? because i had one, turbo ST at 8psi, it was faster than 1999+ GT's which, stock for stock, are faster than all the other 90's mustangs. from a stop, it was pretty even until around 70mph, but from 20mph, i was always atleast 2 cars ahead. thats with stock mustangs, anything beyond exhaust on a 99+ GT they make huge gains.

are you saying that cams and timing make almost as much of a difference as 8psi of boost?

even if the STX came with special performance mods such as advanced timing and different cams, a 7afe with out nitrous or boost or serious internal mods, is slow and under the 130 crank hp mark

it wouldnt even be as powerful as a plain 6gc GT

i also doubt that the same guy owned a 6th gen GT4, let alone selling it and buying an ST

I think I'm gonna stop trying to explain shiat to people who just don't listen... If you're conviced your friend's STX is fast and apparently will not listen to anything other than that... then whatever dude...
It's pretty obvious your knowledge about cars is pretty limited also... so believe what you want to... and don't ask questions if you're not gonna listen.

this topic is getting ceazy .. let just take his word for it and leave it at that.. and hope he shows prof..

-jmoneydtb+Aug 23, 2004 - 6:23 PM

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i agree with kwanza completly(simply cuz he knows his s**t)
but anyways no one ever said that the 3s is better than the 2jz...they are both great motors but in their own ways(apples and oranges people)

secondly lets state the obvious
1. never will a stock(or semi modified) st beat a stock gt (keep in mind both good drivers and both cars in good condition)

2. our motors were obviously not built for high hp numbers..you want power buy yourself a 3sgte or a 4ag(z)e

3. unless you have proof, dont state bogus crap...my friend has a 2jz in his celi, or i know a guy who did the awd conversion....MY FRIENDS ST BEAT A V8 MUSTANG!!!! look we all know your lying. basically in this forum we all think you are guilty until proven innocent...so if you dont got proof dont even post it

4. before you post something, search it most of the stupid (some not stupid) questions have been answered already just 80% of the people here are too lazy to search

5. drop the stx gtx subject already...theres no performance difference , get over it , you're not special.

6. dont get me wrong i love the supra and i would kill for one. but on the track a celi or a mr2 would waste a supra...and on the dragstrip it depends on what you got


i didnt mean to offend anybody specifically...but seriously people READ AND DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

This post has been edited by fastgt: Aug 23, 2004 - 8:31 PM

The stx did beat the stang gt though. They were right in front of me. I know it's nothing without proof. Maybe the gt driver sucked, who knows.