a 99 205 celi GT-4 250hp turbo AWD or a 05 Neon SRT-4 230hp turbo? No mods.

a) The Celica, you said it yourself.. it's more power, weighs roughly the same, and is AWD, so would certainly take it off the line.

b) That race would never happen IRL.

-brian

My GF is obsessed with neons and we were argueing about this. She says she hates my car but i know it isnt true.

my money is on the Neon. less hp loss in FWD than AWD, and from what I read that 230hp is to the wheels, whereas the st205 is really around 210 to the wheels.

Hell, It's probably all about the driver in this one. I hope the celica would win, god I hate Neon's.

Dr.

-drnovascotia+Sep 4, 2004 - 6:17 AM

-shid+Sep 3, 2004 - 10:55 PM

-drnovascotia+Sep 3, 2004 - 11:17 PM

the gt4 would destroy it up to 60 but up to the line i reckon the neon might just take it

This post has been edited by uzthedentist: Sep 5, 2004 - 5:55 AM

Your kidding right?

First off the gt4 would kill the neon off the line, AWD=no wheel spin no matter what. My friend GSX he can pop the cluch at 6k and it just goes it doesn't even hesitate. The gt4 would be the same way. The neon will spin for a fraction of a second no matter how good the lauch is, by that time the gt4 will have at least 4 car lengths on the neon.

-Rjb23+Sep 4, 2004 - 4:34 PM

neons suck ass!!!When you get in a neon do you hit you knee on the steering wheel.neon the dash.neon drivers are gaylords!!!But atleast they realized there cars suck ass and put in a turbo to give a calica some fun lighting there ass up

-Hym3n+Sep 4, 2004 - 10:42 PM

Just so you know... I've driven an SRT-4... and I personally think it's highly highly overrated...

Oh yeah... and for those who are guessing about AWD launches... unless you've tried... don't guess. It's hard to do correctly, and it's either a full-powered launch, or all-out lag and bog...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Sep 4, 2004 - 5:59 PM

Think Uz is right on this one - the four is prob going to win, but not by much. It'll take off a lot quicker, but the neon will catch up because of the massive drag of hte 4wd system

- estimated at 25% on the four: means its running about 190 to the wheels...

There is a clip around somewhere of a supra tt racing a four, bearing in mind the supra is ~320bhp, the four ~250bhp, and they both come in very close together.

But then you have to ask, which car looks better, drives better and is cheaper to buy - no contest!

shortty you talking about the supra and gt4 when you say

"But then you have to ask, which car looks better, drives better and is cheaper to buy - no contest!"

personally a gt4 and supra both look great, from the front gt4 wins, from the rear supra wins, i dont know which one drives better lol never driven either, cheaper to buy? probably a gt4 in a country that accually gets them.....

-Rjb23+Sep 4, 2004 - 4:55 PM

I'm disagreeing with your point b.

oh dear looks like im saying two different things lol

i whole-heartedly agree with you uz, lol people who have never even seen the car in real life seem to know the car inside and out about how it drives or how it feels because they have a different version of it.

i dont disagree that it would most likely win when comparing the stats vs a SRT-4 and when comparing drivetrain tendencies, but trying to compare a car youve never seen let alone drive to a car that your friend has or that you have test driven is kind of rediculus.

and Arizonared could you please use a smaller sig. thanks.

could that guys avatar be any more big??

-boosted_K2+Sep 5, 2004 - 12:23 PM

-boosted_K2+Sep 5, 2004 - 6:23 PM

-uzthedentist+Sep 5, 2004 - 3:41 PM

Ok so your saying that a gt4 weighs in at alittle over 3000lbs. And a GSX that weighs in at 3681 lbs beats that Neon STR4 easily, the gt4 will almost lose to an srt4 when it is almost 600lbs lighter, and has more HP than a GSX which only has 210 hp?

No...the SRT4 will not win. I took my WRX when it was stock to race my friend's SRT4. The SRT4 I think is actually rated 230HP and 250ft/lb of torque and my Rex is 227HP and 217 ft/lb of torque. I raced him driving it twice and beat him by a car length each time. I then raced his car but against one of my friend's who is a very talented driver and he said he gave it all he had and I still won by half a carlength if not a little bit more.

The wheel spin on the SRT4 isnt the general issue...it's the wheel hop. The motor mounts are wretched and is normally one of the first things to be upgraded by the SRT4 owners that know what they're doing. My Rex beat that car and is rated at less HP and torque than the ST205. I say ST205.

EDIT
Good point on the gear ratios as well. The ST205 is geared for accelleration...but remember so is the SRT4. Remember it's claim to fame "The only car under $20,000 that can get to 60 mph in under 6 seconds." That's why it has so much torque. So in this particular instance, I think they are both geared relatively more toward accelleration so the comparison of gear ratios matters a bit less.

EDIT2
Here's the link on the Car and Driver website that shows the upgrades the the 04 model year. http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...article_id=7871

This post has been edited by snadman: Sep 5, 2004 - 11:45 PM

What year was the srt4? The 2k3 is 215hp and the 2k4 is 230 hp.

but how could the neon win when its broken on the side of the road?