i have found a head thanks to a memeber, im trying to convince my dad into helping with the project. alright so im brainstorming for the 5sgte. since i can bolt the turbo-manifold directly on theres no problem there. but what about the intake manifold. it has a different bolt pattern if what i heard it right. so id need a GE intake manifold. or aftermarket intake for a 3sge. now the 5sfe uses a maf sensor would the 3sge manifold use the same type? anyone have more information on this. also on the GE head were would i tap it for oil? or does it use the same location and sensor as the 5sfe?

Also. il be running out of fuel with the amount of boost i want to run. the 7mgte injectors 440cc will fit but the ohms are wrong, for a coil pack is it as simply as sondering a resistor on one of the injector harness leads? if so thats the next step.

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Sep 15, 2004 - 10:10 PM

why not run a 3sgte intake manifold??

as for getting them to line up that's a simple fix... get an intake manifold gasket for the 3sge and one for the 3sgte, be sure to mark them as to which is which.. the 3sgte would be head side.. and the 3sge would be intake side... take them to a local machine shop.. have them make you an adaptor plate so the intake runners will meet up with the intake ports on the head... the only problem you would run into there is if the bolts dont line up... if thats the case then hopefully the 3sge intake mounting bolts are inside the width of the 3sgte mounting bolts. if thats the case then have them tap holes into the addapter plate for the 3sge manifold that only go about half way threw the addapter plate... then you should be able to mount the plate to the intake and then mount the whole thing to the side of the head... it would be tricky to design if its like that but would work fine for you.

I would suggest just getting the 3sgte intake manifold.. there on ebay for like 40 bucks all the time >>

edit: soo.... would that be a 5sge-t or a 5stge or a 5sftge or what the hell would you call it!!! >> LOL

edit 2x: HAHAHHAHAHA -> 5's GET

This post has been edited by NEVERSTOP: Sep 16, 2004 - 12:39 AM

isnt the 3sge a 2.0 liter head? what block are you planning on using on this project? If you're gonna use the 5s you're gonna have to go stroker... which you should do!! >> >> >> >>

This post has been edited by Doge: Sep 16, 2004 - 5:37 PM

Yeah, I'm curious as to which head you plan on using.

-Doge+Sep 16, 2004 - 10:37 PM

doesn't the combustion chamber have to be matched with the cylinders?

-Doge+Sep 17, 2004 - 12:01 AM

Oh sweet! You learn something new every day! >> can you explain alittle more though? how does the 2.0 head match the 2.2 block?

im completely lost... i know nothing about engines... but good luck john!!! it'll be this winters project!!!

i pan on buying a new block anyways. from here http://www.importperformanceparts.net/impo...kit-toyota.html
with an 8.5-1 comp ratio. so id probly have to go stand alone. aem or something. the head im looking to buy is port and polished oversized valves and an agressive cam set. the heads mount to and S series block. 3s 5s yeah know. i love to do this but i want my facts straight before i start a project this big.

haha its not reallt the need for being different its that the im planning to buy is amazing port and polish and everything. i read that te 3sgte head and 3sge head are the same. anyone wanna say different? haha and guys this wont happend for a while ill jsut source parts for now. but once thingswork out for me ill build that motor.

-NEVERSTOP+Sep 17, 2004 - 4:30 AM

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-NEVERSTOP+Sep 18, 2004 - 11:58 PM

neverstop if he's doin a total performance engine and redoin the whole engine you might as well go along with the standalone rather then splicing cause you know it will work right and cause alot less trouble plus he'll be able to tune it alot more than a stock ecu no doubt?

Standalone would be by far, the best bet...

Stand alones are good ideas.. if you have the money and the knowledge to tune them right.. everyone I know that has done them though has had problems and alot of tuning issuses with them... eventually they get it right but it takes a while... but yea there good, just dont see the worth in a celica that will be 250-300HP.. I personally would save the money and use it else where.. but thats just me >>

>stands alone are for the guy thats can afford it, the piggyback is for the guy that wants to drive every day...

a 5sgte is a 5sgte is a 5sgte, no matter what block, head, etc you use.

all it means is that it's a turbo charged 2.2L S block with a GE head.

GE heads and GTE heads are the same PER GENERATION. so using a GE head is really no different than using a GTE head because they are the same.

99 percent of the GE heads/manifolds you are going to encounter in the US are going to be built for TVIS (only 3rd gens came without them), so you are going to need a tvis eliminator plate if you are going for outright HP tuning. if not, i would suggest leaving the TVIS on because it helps with turbo spool and low end torque. also, only third gens came with MAP sensors. all other GE modles (and the FE if i'm not mistaken) had MAF sensors.

i honestly have no idea if an FE intake manifold will mount up to a GE head. other than that any manifold built for a GE head will work on a GE head (GTE inclusive), just be sure that if it's built for a 1st/2nd gen head that you get a TVIS eliminator or use TVIS (depending on what you want).

honestly, if you are building it from scratch (which it sounds like you are) a stand-alone EMS would probably be just about as hard as getting all the crap together OEM. it might cost a bit more, but the hassle is going to be just the same. and as a bonus you can use a MAP with it rather than a MAF, which means a BOV without screwing your A/F ratio.

if you are planning on doing ANY kind of an Xsgte build, browse around the mr2 and all-trac forums. you'll learn alot. call up ATS racing and KO racing. they can point you in the right direction.