-Kwanza26+Nov 22, 2004 - 2:43 AM

thats not true. i broke out bad the other night coming out of a series of turns in a canyon... my buddy was in the car with me and kinda looked at me like WTF you have a front wheel drive car your rear end shouldnt be breaking lose. we got out to see if there was dirt or gravel... nothing..... no water no ice nothing. it was a regularly paved road....
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No, I don't really drive fast unless I have to. I drive normally like a daily driver and I don't let off the gas. I heel toe most of the time.
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I'm not sure I completely agree with a FF not sliding the back.  I've raced dirt track, and I agree that it’s not a common thing for a FF to slide the back end.  But, my old car would do it every now and then if I induced body role.  Of course that car had a 67- 33% weight distribution front to back.  It was a 92 Geo Storm Gsi, with a gutted interior and a fair amount of work done to the engine.  I've never had either of my Celica’s ever do this though, and I don't think it's possible for them too.  I don’t think this guy is telling the truth, but I think some FF cars will slide if you put effort into it.
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-Bigmeanbulldog55+Nov 29, 2004 - 11:41 PM
Dirt and pavement are completely different worlds. Key word is "effort". I can make my FF car slide in the back... it's as easy as pulling the e-brake. As far as tail sliding during the apex of a corner during somewhat normal fast driving, it simply doesn't happen as exaggeratedly as some people think. You'd have to either be slamming on the brake where as the front is stopping completely and the rear loses all traction and slides out (like what RedSunCelica describes), or you directly apply pressure via e-brake. Even with staggered wheel set-ups, which is very common in FF racing, high grip tires up front and low grip in the rear to minimize understeer, a FF car doesn't exhibit tail sliding without direct input. The front wheels are constantly pulling the rear... so there's no way the rear can somehow pull itself elsewhere away fron the front without direct input from the driver. It's simple physics... I find it almost laughable how often people try to argue against this...
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I was saying that about my old car, and no it was not on the dirt only.  If your arguing that you can't step on the gas and have a FF car's rear wheels spin it around, I don't think your get much feedback because this is obviously true.  But the key here is the effort, and it is possible for a front drive cars rear to slide without the e-brake.  My car didn't have much for rear brakes but it did have upgraded front brakes.  This is probably why it would break loose in the back sometimes.  And I was saying all of this just as friendly conversation.  It gets irritating when people start laughing at one another.  That isn't what these forums are about.
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Hey Kwanza I don't think you know what you are talking about; >>  I heel toe because I want the passengers in my car to have a more comfortable ride. You say you race, where do you race?
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Hey Kwanza26, it seems to me that you and me are pretty close to being on the same page now.  It looks like you've changed your argument from "front wheel drive cars rear end could never slip out under any conditions," to "they only slip out during corning and with hard front breaking and little to no rear, or with the assistance of the e-brake, but not when you step on the gas."  I don't know why you have to keep putting comments on here about laughing at other people and how dumb someone is.  You may be smart, heck you may be smarter than me, but that still doesn't give you the right to laugh at anyone.  And as far as body role is concerned, front dodge neon strut tower bar on e-bay $46.58 shipping included, and GT-4 rear strut tower brace from dealer $80.13.  That’s a good budget fix.  If that doesn’t fix it, go for bigger sway bars front and rear.  If that doesn’t help, you have to put in a role cadge.
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You probably lose all the time don't you!

Kwanza26, your the worst thing on this site.  You say that I need to learn to handle it because this is the Internet.  I thought this site maintained a level of respect between members, and besides you I've seen that it has.  I treated you with respect and tried to deal nicely with you, obviously you don't have the majority or the confidence to treat others the same.  I say confidence because, not that it matters on here anyway, but I'm a 6'1" tall guy that weighs around 250lbs.  I bench press around 250, curl 135, and squat and even 405lbs.  I have a girlfriend that has been with me for over 3 years now, and I have a 3.0 grade average in college.  I don't feel the need to get on web sites and attempt to bully and harass people to make myself feel better.  You’ve got a brain and you obviously know a thing or two about cars.  But you need to get a life.
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Kwanza26, your the worst thing on this site.  You say that I need to learn to handle it because this is the Internet.  I thought this site maintained a level of respect between members, and besides you I've seen that it has.  I treated you with respect and tried to deal nicely with you, obviously you don't have the majority or the confidence to treat others the same.  I say confidence because, not that it matters on here anyway, but I'm a 6'1" tall guy that weighs around 250lbs.  I bench press around 250, curl 135, and squat and even 405lbs.  I have a girlfriend that has been with me for over 3 years now, and I have a 3.0 grade average in college.  I don't feel the need to get on web sites and attempt to bully and harass people to make myself feel better.  You’ve got a brain and you obviously know a thing or two about cars.  But you need to get a life.
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-Bigmeanbulldog55+Dec 1, 2004 - 5:03 AM
You should go back and re-read my posts... I've only been repeating myself... I NEVER said rear-ends don't slide out... I said they don't slide out on their own. I've even repeated over and over "without direct input" and obviously you only heard what you wanted hear. I laugh at people who deserve it. If you can't handle it... you're a much smaller person than you know. This is the internet you know...


Go lose traction and heel-toe into a tree or something... pretty petty you're gettin at there...
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