jgreening

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It was this morning very early before work. The roads were deserted. My buddy has a 2000 Type R with only a comptech exhaust. We raced for about 4 blocks. In a nutshell, he killed me off the line and was ahead by almost a full car length. From about the first 1/2 block to the finish my car was faster but I lost by about 2-3 feet. 1 more block and I would have won.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Dec 23, 2004 - 4:53 PM

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Supersprynt

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Well thats disappointing, how much does ur car weigh?

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neoklis

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its not a matter of weight anymore. Its a matter of traction and experience now. As you can see, the lanch is the most important thing in straight line racing.

Do you have LSD?

junhus69

#4

What the hell?
How did you loose?
I can see you spinning of the line but you shoud have taken him the second you hit 3rd. What is this, is the 3sgte so crappy that a stock honda can beat it. If i was gonna dump 4-6k in my car i want it to kill almost anything on the road. No offense but you need to work long and hard on launches and get better tires. Is it really true 3s-gte's are this slow. And from your profile you have a 2nd gen what is this????

Digndoug

#5

Theres a bunch of reasons. The type R, is like a cheap race car. It has a better tranny, longer gearing and less trq, so less wheel spin. and its prolly the same wight. Im sure he also has a lsd. The problem is that the 3s-gte is just putting down to much power.

Supersprynt

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IDK with the MR2 tranny, the OEM LSD and Stage 3 your launch shoulda been immaculate.

And JunHus you sound real ignorant.

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Digndoug

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-Supersprynt+Dec 23, 2004 - 5:23 PM

QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Dec 23, 2004 - 5:23 PM)

IDK with the MR2 tranny, the OEM LSD and Stage 3 your launch shoulda been immaculate.

And JunHus you sound real ignorant.
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Oh true i forgot u had the nice lsd.. hummm .. maybe just the better gear in the teg.

Supersprynt

#8

JG what PSI are u pushing? Coulda just been simply out raced. ITRs are like 190? stock with simple mods 200?

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jgreening

#9

I had a bad launch and no wheel spin. I am running about 13psi right now. Also, the Type R is not a run of the mill Integra folks. Its 200hp at the crank with LSD. I figure I am about 190hp to the wheels with my mods but I weigh about 200lbs more with the 3s. It was clear the 3s was quicker - the driver just wasn't that good >>

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

BBoYRuGGeD

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its all good... lose the battle but win the war >>

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Magic

#11

jgreening...those honda cars unleash their power on high rpms dude..and i am wondering how the hell he was infront of you from lunch....hmmm...is your car tuned?and of course its a race of "detail",a small mistake it can cost to you.I think if you work out a stradegy you can easily have him.... >> I m on your side my friend............. >>
LETS KICK SOME ASSS!!!!!! >>

jgreening

#12

Magic:

My car is not "tuned" in the sense that I have any fuel management. The swap was recent and it got all the goodies that you would think of in terms of a "tune up" if thats what you mean (belts, hoses, plugs, wires, valve job, coolant flush, etc.).

I really think the reason I didn't win is because my launch was not aggressive. He beat me at the light and really nailed it. I babied the throttle at the start and was a half second slower at the light.

Jay.

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Clipsetuner

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Yeah from me and Ace Racing it is clear that the 3s is a monster but it has to be tammed via lanuching and know shift points. I practice all the time on my lanuch's and can typical get almost anyone on them, I just dont have the sheer power to get them (oo summer I cant wait!).

You do have to watcht the Honddooo's tho, they have no low-end but they scream at 6k plus all the way to 9-10k depending on how built it is.

My buddy has a stock B16A1 in a 95si hatch minor mods (intake, exhaust) and can hand STi's and EVO's there assets all day long because those little honda's wrap so high up.

DTE

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shid

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-Clipsetuner+Dec 23, 2004 - 9:26 PM

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My buddy has a stock B16A1 in a 95si hatch minor mods (intake, exhaust) and can hand STi's and EVO's there assets all day long because those little honda's wrap so high up.

DTE
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I'm sure he does. Yup. I'm sure.

Clipsetuner

#15

damm u shid!

well it is true, this is at the track too. Once I get a video camrea, or Doge comes with us more, well get some cool stuff.
DTE

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Nemises

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dont even sweat it. You gotta get used to your car anyway. You do have a faster car.

Supersprynt

#17

You only have a faster car if you know how to drive it.

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Consynx

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look at it this way, if you had the corvette it wouldn't have even stood a chance in the rain >>

jgreening

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You only have a faster car if you know how to drive it.

My launch was poor but that doesn't mean I don't know how to drive it. I am just a little tentative with my baby. >>

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look at it this way, if you had the corvette it wouldn't have even stood a chance in the rain

ahhhh....don't remind me about that car..... >>

This post has been edited by jgreening: Dec 23, 2004 - 5:24 PM

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

jojobombiest

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Wait... did I miss something? What happened to your corvette?

Consynx

#21

he chose not to get it...
shhhhh

Supersprynt

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-jgreening+Dec 23, 2004 - 5:24 PM

QUOTE(jgreening @ Dec 23, 2004 - 5:24 PM)

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You only have a faster car if you know how to drive it.

My launch was poor but that doesn't mean I don't know how to drive it. I am just a little tentative with my baby. >>

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look at it this way, if you had the corvette it wouldn't have even stood a chance in the rain

ahhhh....don't remind me about that car..... >>
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I had a feeling you woulda taken it that way - it wasnt a personal thing towards you it was a generalization - didnt say you couldnt drive.

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jgreening

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I had a feeling you woulda taken it that way - it wasnt a personal thing towards you it was a generalization - didnt say you couldnt drive.

Now I am a bad driver and too sensitive....laughs.

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

ghostdog

#24

no worries Jay. with that loss you now have some incentive to upgrade your 3s. and maybe learn to drive better while your at it >>

jgreening

#25

LMAO

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

shin

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my comment is, honda sucks.... i'm just a honda hater lol..... my friend owns a 01 integra GSR and he couldn't even catch up with me, widen the distance right from the start. so i guess you losing to the type R's just due to lack of experience. i totally believe that the 3sgte powered 6gc can easily smoke the type R. >>

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jgreening

#27

The GSR is not the Type R. At the time of original production, it had more hp per liter than any production car.

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Kwanza26

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It's very hard to launch with 200 ftlbs of torque... that's it. That's why you lost on the launch and that's what cause you to not catch him. Although the ITR is no joke... I think you should be able to take him with work on your launch. The power is there... but it can be rendered useless...

As for those Honda haters who know nothing about tuning a Honda... unless you know, don't try to act 'cool' by passing judgement. Namely shin... you're already out of your league when it comes to Honda tech, and your friend with his GSR probably can't drive for sh!t... so don't talk unless you can back things up. You only make yourself sound like an idiot assuming things.

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lagos

#29

hmmm thats strange that u lost. ive yet to run a honda that could keep up with me at 10psi. maby u have a boost leak?

at 13psi you shoud be well over 200whp. what rpm were u shifting at?

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jgreening

#30

I wonder how many of you folks have any experience with Type R's. It was a limited production vehicle - there only 1500 sold in the states in 2000. It is not anything like the GSR or other 'tegs.

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hmmm thats strange that u lost. ive yet to run a honda that could keep up with me at 10psi. maby u have a boost leak?

at 13psi you shoud be well over 200whp. what rpm were u shifting at?

My car is running very well. I don't think there is a boost leak. If there was, I would imagine the guage would not read 13psi. As for what RPM I was shifting, I wasn't really watching my tach but I would guess somewhere between 6000 and 6500.

Again, it was clear that the 3s was quicker - the driver just didn't do as good of a job at the line.

I am really not sure what hp I have at that boost level. However, with both cats and 13psi, I think I am probably around 190-200whp. Its just a guess.

Regards, Jay

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QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.