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jgreening

#1

I saw this over at mr2oc.com and thought I would post it here for the 3s guys. A company called The Speed Factor, in conjunction with Garrett is about to release a T3/T4 turbo upgrade which is a bolt on application! Thats right - the turbo will bolt onto the stock exhaust manifold and cat (or standard downpipe) and be a direct replacement for the CT26. Think of it as T3/T4 internals in a ct20b housing. Since it hasn't been released yet, there are no dynos but things look promising IMO. If it lives up to the hype, it would be a very nice option. Here is a link to the thread:

Turbo Upgrade

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

lagos

#2

sweet, wonder how much it would be.

i think at some point i will just upgrade my turbo to a ct27.

15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned

Supersprynt

#3

Thats cool, but I'm already getting Mina's CT20 and rebuilding it.

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jgreening

#4

Those seem to be both good choices if you do not want to go over the limits of the stock fuel system.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Feb 7, 2005 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Supersprynt

#5

I'm also getting 540cc injectors, but with the ct20 its kinda a necessity.

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jgreening

#6

What are you going to use to control the 540's?

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Supersprynt

#7

Looking into a FPR.

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jgreening

#8

a regulator alone will not address your control issues. You are going to need a fuel controller or a standalone.

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

Supersprynt

#9

The injectors may stay out until I can either get the FPR with SAFC and have it dynoed or an ems but the ems is very expensive, I think that the CT20 will be alright with the 440s as long as im not pushing it past 15.

I'm trying to get the low down on a VPC too but IDK. It replaces the AFM, and thats bout all I know. Trying to get more info.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 7, 2005 - 3:37 PM

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Digndoug

#10

I HATE YOU ALL..........

boosted_K2

#11

im running my CT20b with factory fuel system and im still running rich... sure tuning would be nice. but im not running into lean or other inconsistancy issues... i wouldnt say it is necessary at that stage but more of a luxury.

Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them allNo but I don't buy itLike anything you do, as anyone you areCause I'm...Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial

jgreening

#12

I will tell you that I have done a ton of research on upgrading to a new turbo and fuel system. Of course the best alternative is new turbo and fuel system with standalone ECU. That said, budget is always an issue. If you couldn't do both at once, I strongly believe that the best route is to forgo the larger injectors and SAFC or Greddy emanage and just buy the turbo and keep the boost down for the time being. Then, when you have enough money for the injectors, rail, EMS and tune, do it later. You end up saving money in the long run and save yourself from running a crappy set-up that could very well blow your engine in the meantime.

That said, I am getting the turbo and fuel upgrades at once since you still might accidently go lean with just a larger turbo and then.....BOOM.

I will NEVER own a fuel controller that doesn't effectively control timing for the 3s after reading all the horror stories.

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

boosted_K2

#13

mines @ 15PSI as well.

Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them allNo but I don't buy itLike anything you do, as anyone you areCause I'm...Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial

Supersprynt

#14

Yeah as soon as this all came up I started lookin for info on the best "cost effective" way of managing an upgraded fuel system. The EMS is the best however way outta my budget. I know Jekyl is running 550s with VPC and AFC with 308 to the wheels, but is now upgrading to EMS.

So what I'm thinking is that I'll be fine with the 440ccs and not go with the upgraded stuff I wont need. I think I'll tune it take some readings on a dyno and then decide whether or not I should upgrade the rest. I will probably get an AFPR anyways though.

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Supersprynt

#15

-jgreening+Feb 7, 2005 - 3:41 PM

QUOTE(jgreening @ Feb 7, 2005 - 3:41 PM)

I will tell you that I have done a ton of research on upgrading to a new turbo and fuel system. Of course the best alternative is new turbo and fuel system with standalone ECU. That said, budget is always an issue. If you couldn't do both at once, I strongly believe that the best route is to forgo the larger injectors and SAFC or Greddy emanage and just buy the turbo and keep the boost down for the time being. Then, when you have enough money for the injectors, rail, EMS and tune, do it later. You end up saving money in the long run and save yourself from running a crappy set-up that could very well blow your engine in the meantime.

That said, I am getting the turbo and fuel upgrades at once since you still might accidently go lean with just a larger turbo and then.....BOOM.

I will NEVER own a fuel controller that doesn't effectively control timing for the 3s after reading all the horror stories.
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Yeah basically thats what I just did. Instead of the 540s and such I'm going to invest in a fuel pressure gauge and AFPR.

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jgreening

#16

Well, I thought I would bump this because the first prototype of this turbo was just bolted up and is looking good. Here is the second thread if anyone is interested:

New Turbo

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

boosted_K2

#17

that thing looks sick... maybe i'll sell both my CT26-50trim and my CT20b and get one of them suckers >

> it would be nice to have a brand new turbo to go along with my 3" downpipe >

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Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them allNo but I don't buy itLike anything you do, as anyone you areCause I'm...Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial

Jdog1385

#18

amazing...now i gotta get my 3s and we're set.

Consynx

#19

price will make or break this turbo...

since we're on EMS's, are you guys overlooking plug + plays and just going to the perminants?

i thought power FC's were $600?
there's one on ebay right now for a ST205, but i forget it's price

boosted_K2

#20

power FCs are purchased in 2 seperate parts... first the actual Power FC computer unit which replaces your factory ECU and that retails for around 1200 bucks, 1600 with the boost control option... then you can purchase the Power FC commander unit which retails around 300 bucks

Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them allNo but I don't buy itLike anything you do, as anyone you areCause I'm...Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial

ToYCeLi8

#21

-boosted_K2+Mar 20, 2005 - 7:18 PM

QUOTE(boosted_K2 @ Mar 20, 2005 - 7:18 PM)

power FCs are purchased in 2 seperate parts... first the actual Power FC computer unit which replaces your factory ECU and that retails for around 1200 bucks, 1600 with the boost control option... then you can purchase the Power FC commander unit which retails around 300 bucks
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What power FC is available for our 2nd gen 3sgte? I like APEXi, most of my upgrades are APEXi, but the APEXi ems is for the 3rd gen. So what would I/we have available?

Soon to be Boosted,
David

jgreening

#22

-ToYCeLi8+Mar 27, 2005 - 6:43 AM

QUOTE(ToYCeLi8 @ Mar 27, 2005 - 6:43 AM)

-boosted_K2+Mar 20, 2005 - 7:18 PM

QUOTE(boosted_K2 @ Mar 20, 2005 - 7:18 PM)

power FCs are purchased in 2 seperate parts... first the actual Power FC computer unit which replaces your factory ECU and that retails for around 1200 bucks, 1600 with the boost control option... then you can purchase the Power FC commander unit which retails around 300 bucks
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What power FC is available for our 2nd gen 3sgte? I like APEXi, most of my upgrades are APEXi, but the APEXi ems is for the 3rd gen. So what would I/we have available?

Soon to be Boosted,
David
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Power FC is a product. I think you mean EMS. The most popular for the 2nd gen 3sgte are the AEM, Hydra Nemisis (both plug and play) and Autotronic. There are others as well.

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.

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