I have to agree with Lagos as well. Once you get the car dialed in, it screams. I had quite a few bumps at first but the car is so close to being perfect I can taste it. Oh, and by the way, when I reased my buddy's ITR, I didn't realize that I had a boost leak. There is no doubt my car would wipe his now - unfortunately, he sold it.

I would like to add that my sway bars were another one of my favorite mods. The cornering in this car is like riding in a go cart.

-drnovascotia+Apr 13, 2005 - 4:20 PM

so you have 200rwhp, something like that?

if you lived close i would race you any day, from a stop, from a slow roll, from a fast roll. i would even put money on it, why? 1.because i know pretty much exactly what your car has, you dont have LSD, so from a stop, i would slaughter you, and even if you did, i would turn on launch control and launch making 7psi at a dead stop, again, slaughter. from a roll, i have more power at the wheels than you do, with only a little more weight, but thats OK, i can still raise my boost more where as with stock fuel/turbo/ECU you cant take a s13 SR past 14psi i believe 2. i made my AUTOMATIC 1997 ST celica faster than a stock WRX. i have full confidence in my modding and tunning abilities.

by your terms of stock you could say my car is stock being that i still use the stock turbo. and RWD isnt leaps and bounds more efficient than AWD but my car does weigh more(although i doubt your car weighs 2600lbs), so our car should be pretty even from a roll, in your eyes. never the less, i am quite positive that what ever type of straight line acceleration you can try, my car is faster. let me get a hold of my friend with the s14, he has pretty much the same mods as you. i will race him from a roll, and get it on video. yea, an s14 weighs more, so lets say your car would be 1 car length ahead of his

a FMIC is a MAJOR modification
raising the boost to past 10psi on an SR is major considering 6psi is stock.

and do you have any proof of what your car can do? i guess your car has full turbo back exhaust, FMIC, oh lets say 12psi, intake and probably some nice tires and wheels. i dont doubt thats enough to get into the 13's, that, is beyond stock.

my friends 240 was stock, in every sense when it comes to a car that has had an engine swap. stock down pipe, stock 240sx exhaust, stock side mount, STOCK BOOST. Hell, he even still had the stock 240sx cat.

and i agree with kwanza, simply adding an LSD to your car wont bring you into the mid 12's from the mid 13's

i have to say i get really irritaed with the "a modded ______ is faster than a stock_____" and trash along those lines... You can make any car faster with $$$, but it only can go so far depending on how good the car is in the first place. Yeah a 3SGTE celi prolly could keep up with a stock Type S, but put 3 G into the S and now its spanking your @ss again... >>

-saleeka+Apr 14, 2005 - 1:25 AM

but a stock type s costs more than buying a celica and putting a 3s into it and I don't even know if a type-s with 3k into would give us trouble. I really don't think people have any idea how fast our cars actually are. In 1/4 i can see getting beat by a fairly fast car because my car is hard to launch but overall its fast

yeah and its also a hell of a lot newer and nicer... like i ALREADY said- the car can only go so far within its parameters... If you want value buy an older lude and do an H22 swap- same concept as the 6GC and the 3S... plain and simple, my point was the RSX has better potential if you want to invest in it...

-97sccelica+Apr 13, 2005 - 12:06 PM


naa, initial D hype. >>

-saleeka+Apr 14, 2005 - 2:25 AM
You also have to consider that a stock 7th gen GT-S isn't much worse than the RSX-S, the type-S is over rated just like most Hondas, I am not being biased i've owned or driven a number of Hondas and yes they are nice due to the aftermarket support and reliability, but the power numbers are exaggerated, and if the 5s had the same support as the B16 or the K20 we wouldn't need to discuss this. On the other hand if the 6th gens 3S had been offered in America we would own the turbo four market. Don't get me wrong Honda does own the N/A, there aren't any N/A fours like those, but the 3S is still the king of all fours, not much better and it is highly negotiable, but all around it's the best (this is if you keep the same characteristics such as bore and stroke, head flow,etc. anything after that and it's not even the same motor).

okay guys...imhoping to get a 3sgte soon and dont flame me for this question,but when swapped into a st (formerly an auto) what would the whp be?

-easternpiro1+Apr 14, 2005 - 4:02 PM

What year did you say it was, either way probably 185 to 190. Let me check the motor out before you buy it, i'll try to get out there next weekend.

slap a t3 turbo on instead of the ct26 and run boost at 22psi. Low 13's is very possible.

-saleeka+Apr 14, 2005 - 3:53 AM

whos talking about nice you said it would be whooping ass, last time i chcked being nice didn't make a car whoop ass. There is no way an h22 in a prelude would even touch my car, like I said people have no idea how fast 3s's are.

-prompt+Apr 14, 2005 - 2:19 PM


A gernade under your hood is also very possible >>


This post has been edited by Doge: Apr 14, 2005 - 5:26 PM

i 100% agree

-AndyST4+Apr 14, 2005 - 2:23 PM


H22 preludes are slow.

i really found this post interesting

i wouldn't even be worried about a RSX type S w/ a 3S in the celi
i'd be worried about something like a Turbo GT 7th gen celi
modified GS-T
heavy modded RSX...

not a stock one though
this is why i did no think much of this thread...
also, if all you wanna do is be fast, and dont LOVE the celi
i do suggest 240SX w/ swap...i thought about it, but i love the celi too much

it seems my point hasnt been all too clear... I get irritated when people always want to ask questions like " if i modify this car to this level, will it beat this car off the shoroom floor??? , when the car they are comparing it too has vast potential if only someone decided to take advantage of it- perfect case in point- the Type S... I havent disputed ONCE that a 3S Celi is slow, or slower than the S stock- But seriously, do a few mods to the S and now its a better car... Also, why do you think it is that there isnt any aftermarket support for toyota engines like the 5S? Its really simple- They dont have the ability to generate high amounts of power efficiently. There is a reason why B and K series motors do have that support- its because they have potential. Yeah, if the 5S was designed better than the KA we wouldent be having this conversation, but guess what, its not as good as the KA, or a B series, or an H block... I will say that the 2ZZ-GE toyota put out is a damn good engine, but the transmission that toyota uses for it dosent come close to harnessing the power in the way that the KA's do... In terms of Turbo fours i will agree the 3SGTE is the best out there, but in terms of performance NA 4 cylinder engines- nobody consistantly puts it down like honda...

But what i'm saying is that the 5S is a very good motor with great potential, the problem it has is that it's also hard to work with, Hondas are popular for tuners because they are so easy to build and you don't need a very extensive amount of knowledge to build a 300 horsepower B16. They are very simple motors (not as simple as the SR20) and parts companies jumped on it. If the parts were avilable for the 5S or the 3S was in the car GE or GTE Toyota would run the American market, but the government needed are car company to set an example with and chose Toyota. Besides why are we comparing the 3SGTE to the Type S, I took a stock 95 DeVille and busted a Type S they are very over rated. If any motor is to be compared it should be a 3SGE. For one thing it's N/A, two it's got the same potential as the 3SGTE. So that means that you can have N/A motor that is very capable of 800+ HP, put it simply the KA and 3S are both very capable motors and on N/A or Turbo apps they can both be strong. They're is no comparison between them, unless you want to bring the fact that the 3S is old is still the performance choice from Toyota. It's like comparing the RB26 to a 2JZ, both are very capable and great motors.

i think people rnt thinking bout how light the celica is...i have the ****ty 7afe and have beat an integra

I could agree with MonsterBOX that the weight makes a difference but the RSX and Celica are only 200lbs. apart so the Celica will still need to make close to 200HP to run with the RSX that is why the 3SGE is a good candidate for comparison. Now if you want to go all out the Type-S is the top of lince RSX and the GT-Four Caldina is the top of the line Celica, well you're looking at the same weight but the Caldina is pushing 260HP so, top of the line comparison is out of the question when comparing the Celica to an RSX, so lets go the next step down to a standard RSX and a 3SGE powered Celica, we have 160 HP for the RSX and 190 for the SS-II so no matter how you look at it the Celica out powers the RSX, now there are the American Celicas but they don't even have the real engines, they use them from other cars, so no comparison there either. Last thing don't bother with the torque since we are comparing a Honda to a Toyota and it's funny that my numbers are also from a 10+ year old engine.

I was messing with a 350z and doing better than holding my own if it gives you any idea.

aren't those like 14.6 cars?

-Supersprynt+Apr 19, 2005 - 9:45 AM

aside from helping with heat soak

did that W2A intercooler help the car? is it better on the top end?

-Consynx+Apr 19, 2005 - 6:25 PM

yeah but w/ a few bolt ons they'll get in the 13's easily

-Consynx+Apr 14, 2005 - 9:14 PM

I was thinking the same thing, I love rwd, but there are to many 240's and civics around here.. A celica with a swap would own just cause you wont see one around you.

also speaking of the 3s-gte swap, how is the fourm/site for the how to and wiring coming??

This post has been edited by Digndoug: Apr 19, 2005 - 6:05 PM

Having done extensive research and owning niether of the cars i feel as if i can offer some truley unbiased information -
First off - the 3s-gte is one of the best I4's out there. period. You see the amounts of times they are used in Toyota's racing cars, you see the supra engine being pulled out and an 3s-gte put in, you know its a good engine.
On a standing start though - a 3s without lsd will lose to the acura given the figures, weight. mainly because yea - the 3s has the power, but it cant put it to the ground - the acura has less power - but it will be throwing all it has to the floor immediately. The acura is lighter and as ive seen several people post - their N/A engines are phenominal. Now - i have every expectation that come the end of second and 3rd and so on the 3s-gte will absolutly begin taking back lost ground.
also - correct me if im wrong but does it not sound odd that you would lose so much horsepower in the translation of hp - whp. for instance the second gen 3s-gte puts out 225 horse and to tell me it would only be putting 160 whp to the ground sounds a bit out of place.

When i get money i am most definetely doing a 3s swap as it is an extremely formidible engine.
over and out

AMEN NOBODY

-Digndoug+Apr 19, 2005 - 11:00 PM

Uhmm civics are FWD.

lol, he knows, the 240 is the main choice, i think he thrwe civics in for a comparison of their popularity

first car i beat when i got my swap was turpoed h22 prelude...
as for the RSX type s vs 3s celica with uped boost, ill go with the celica... stock for stock, rsx type s might win since 3s is only 225hp and the rsx is a little lighter and has v-tech... 3s is a heavey bitch..

Mina

-lagos+Apr 13, 2005 - 8:08 AM
with all due respects more than 80% of this board has never driven a swapped celica.. and after reading all the info on it for a few years u kinda get the idea wat u can do with a 3sgte and its extras...

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