well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.

Has anyone actually read madmods statement, it wasn't that the cop came up and asked a simple question, he came up and naturally assumed that the girl was in danger because she was talking to someone of a different race. Wouldn't you feel somewhat offended if a cop came up to ass-u-me you were bothering this girl. As I said before it's understandable if they were arguing or she was attempting to get away, but that wasn't the case.

I will choose Moore over Bush because Moore can actually proove he's right, Bush just stands their looking like an in-bred wanting someone to bail him out. I do agree with nobody about the 7 mins. If I spent that much time on vacation instead of doing my job, i would be thinking oh s***.

As for myself I said I keep the stupid stuff off of the highway because people here are very unpredictable, it's mostly on the backroads or where I have an emergency lane if I need it. If you check my record you'll see that most of these cases are on a highway where I don't do the stupid stuff, i.e. 74, 601, 200 and 1 backroad accident were I was the only one involved and I admitted it was stupid. When I was in high school I didn't care who was on the road next to me now it's been around 5 years and I don't desire to drive crazy in traffic, but I have a knack for ending up at the wrong place at the wrong time. As far as the race thing goes i'm Lumbee Indian and I know I have a right to pull the race card, but I was mad because they assumed I was hispanic and made pull at a traffic stop and made me 2 hours late to a meet I organized, all because I have a reddish skin. I wouldn't complain if they actually pulled over someone else but they didn't and they wouldn't let me film the B/S stop they did because they were afraid it would end up on the news or something. It's alright they do it twice a week in the same spot now. What gives a cop the right to bend or break the law is my question, what allows them to put others lives in harm by blowing through stoplights with no sirens or ride peoples a**** to try and get them to speed up when they're already 5 over the limit or to speed recklessly playing around with the Camaro they just got assigned to them, the best are the street racing cops, we have this 55 year old guy that cruises around in a new Thunderbird when pulls pulls up next to a car like an Eclipse or Mustang he revs his engine taps his fender then launches, after about an 1/8th of a mile he let's off the gas and flips his blue lights on. Technically that was entrapment, but yet it is legal as long as the other party commits, the problem is what gives our local police department the right to put others lives in danger by sending their own crazy drivers out to race, like I said before I don't recall a time where anyone have been killed in an organized street race in the Charlotte area and street racing been around Charlotte since bootlegging was big, what do you think NASCAR was before the track, the biggest motorsport in the nation and it was made by criminals. Bottom line is that my entire family has been or is involved in street racing and we have seen more accidents happen at Rockingham than at the street races here.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 27, 2005 - 9:14 AM

yea man i read his post - and whilst i dont know what that is like i can understand him through his eyes. But what i was saying is that howcome you automatically assume it was because of race that the cop came up to him?
Its like an istantaneous reaction whenever you get in trouble - and thats what im arguing against - Question - when you say you got pulled over because they assumed you were hispanic and they made a pull at a traffic stop and made you two hours late.. did they come up to you and go, hey your hispanic and start grilling you? why do you think it was because your skin is red?
and i understand your point about you being on the highway and everyone know's they've been stupid at some point - my question is when is it going to end, i know you say you have the knack of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but id like to rephrase that and say doing the wrong thing at the wrong time =) highway or not, its unsafe - though ill admit id rather have it done on the highway - i live in montana and they are WIDE OPEN no cars so there would be little chance id be next to you =)
going to class will post when i get back

This post has been edited by nObOdy: Apr 27, 2005 - 10:20 AM

Because everyone else's skin was the same color, if they just picked me out it would have been different but I sat there and watched them let everyone else flash their license and go through, why just make the hispanics pull over? We have a problem with having a lot of illegal aliens as I said before, but instead of writing a ticket why not put them in a squad car or have a van there to take them back, instead they give them a ticket for a fake ID and let them go. If you rephrase it then you're implying that I was doing something wrong, but I don't have to be doing something wrong, if a cop has a quota to meet and they want to give a ticket it's my word against theirs. The deal is cops are humans and they have authority and just like any human they try that authority thinking they are fixing a problem when they actually cause them in the long run, let's say someone who never gets in trouble gets pulled by a cop and didn't do anything wrong but the cop claims they were doing 70 in a 55 and writes a ticket well they never do anything wrong so they go to court and the judge that day is in a bad mood and throws the book at everybody, well now this 70 in a 55 turns into a reckless driving charge and the court charges to the full extent tha day so now the judge decides to give the person a punishment of two months suspended license and this person goes home without their license. Now it doesn't seem fair but the fact is it happens all because these "professionals" let personal matters effect their work. Now go a week later this person lost their job because of a lack of transportation and they can't go job hunting since they don't have a way to get there. When the time comes to get their license back they lost their home, job, and an a** load of money for court and the fine to get their license back. Now as I said these "professionals" had a pissy day and took it out on this person, and what makes this so bad is it happens in real life, i've been pulled for speeding because a cop claimed I did it when I was behind a rig the whole time, it was some guy that flew by because we weren't going fast enough and he jumped in front of the truck, but I got the punishment for it. I travel a lot, it's part of my job so I will more than likely have some run in's with the police, that is what I mean by wrong place at the wrong time.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 27, 2005 - 2:06 PM

Yes, it IS unfair that people let personal matters affect their professional life... However, as with all professions, everybody is only human, and the real world IS NOT fair, plain and simple. I personally find it more productive to avoid complaining about it constantly, and focus that energy in trying to make a change so im either not in that situation again, or using that energy to get others to think and have them want to make the change. That said, if you still feel so angry about how everything is always unfair- look at the bright side- your not the only one getting f'ed over....

F*CK COPS! >>

Nicely said mon3y19 but why, what's your reason?

Ugh... I tried to just post once, but after the day I had at work...

Ok, so you were approached in a plot and the cop asked your girlfriend if everything was ok... Not saying this is what happened, but it is a possible scenario:

For us, a Signal 54 means "Suspicious"... it's a catch all to describe a lot of things. We get calls like the example above all the time. Ever think someone in one of the businesses(who may be a racist and it may have been the reason they called if we want to get hypethetical) called in to the police about this? The cop, knowing it's a bullsh*t call, still has to respond. He goes out... asks one question, and he's done. And the public is happy. Except you b/c your g/f was asked if she was ok.


As for the laser incident... forget it. You're tagged with laser, you're getting a ticket unless the officer wrote the wrong laser serial number on the ticket. You say you have a laser detector that's 100% accurate? Biggest waste of money in the world. By the time you see the officer that pulls you over, of course you're not speeding. Why? B/C A) your laser detector went off or B)u saw him. Now for the catch: Your laser detector goes off? Know what that means? You got tagged... so congrats, you know you're likely going to be stopped 30 seconds more in advance than if you didn't have one. And that cop you saw parked a mile up the road so you knew not to speed? Guess what... You didn't see the other cop on the other side of the freeway/on the bridge above you a mile and a half back, that is actually shooting the laser.

Tonight work sucked. I had a bomb threat and had to evacuate a mall, took a shooting call, had a major stabbing just to name a few...

Ever wonder why cops get tired of people? Countless calls about people who don't know how to be parents and want the po-po to do it for them. Hell, I had this bitch complain to me today that one of our police departments was a joke b/c they didn't respond to her fast enough. She got into a verbal dispute with her boyfriend and she wants to turn him in b/c he's wanted. Oh, but he's gone now.

Hell... it took damn 15 minutes to respond to that call. Why? Well, b/c a drug deal down the street went bad and an innocent person was shot. Oh, not to mention the girl who was stabbed defending herself from a man trying to rape her. And that bomb threat at the mall... hell that could have been delayed as well. Bitch... you got in a verbal argument with your boyfriend who is no longer there. She was in no immediate danger, and the boyfriend she's loved and not turned in for a year all of a sudden pisses her off, and now she wants to be a good citizen. 15 minutes isn't a long wait. Tells me she's gonna write her representative. Sad part is, she's got 7 children by this man...it's the only thing stupid people do well: Breed.

Just remember this: when dealing with the police department, Sarcasm is just one more customer service benefit we offer >>

This post has been edited by CupCrazy38: Apr 27, 2005 - 11:32 PM

Charlotte doesn't worry much about being strapped for officers, I believe we have at least 140 on the clock at any given time, plus the State Troopers, Sheriffs Department, and DMV. A while back my dad had a guy come to his house and shoot at him, it took about 20-30 minutes from the time of the phone call for the cops to show up, and the sad thing is it was cops from the next town. My dad lives in a town called Marshville thirty minutes east of Charlotte, the police department consist of 4 cops, 1 detective, and a chief, after 11 pm we have one cop and that's it. When the cops fom the next town show up they find that our cop is still sitting at the police station taking a nap. Well i'm glad that the cops from the next town knew what they were doing, and the sad thing is i've never been in any trouble with them, not even the first ticket, and the speed limit there is 35 and they won't even drive that slow on a major highway. They know why the limit is so low and they won't mess with people unless someone's coming through their town doing 75 or something.

-madmods+Apr 27, 2005 - 7:53 AM


ahahah something bad happening to you??? omg some one talked to ur girlfriend OMG!!! do u want victim councilling??????


Whoever said somethin about the laser... if u see them they ve already tagged u,, if u have a detector their radar gun reads error and they pull u over cause then they know u have a detector or jammer. thus dont be stupid and u wont get pulled over simple as that.

This post has been edited by SexyCelica: Apr 28, 2005 - 2:27 PM

-SexyCelica+Apr 28, 2005 - 2:26 PM
sexycelica yer the biggest idiot 2 come on these boards get yer facts straight before you shoot yer bs

-darksecret+Apr 27, 2005 - 8:13 AM
Because as Americans we still discriminate on natives huh? You have NO right to pull a race card. Do I have a right to say that you did this because I'm white? It's a ludicrous statement. It sounds just as ludicrous when you say it.

It's called training. Do you have any?

It may not have happened YET but it is inevitable. I'm sure it has happened you just fail to keep up with news.

I would just suggest admitting you are wrong, if you have not noticed I am relentless. Many members here will vouch for that. Street racing serves no purpose in society. Nor does crazy driving. Get out of your bubble and look at the bigger picture. People HAVE died for participating in the "racing" culture. Wow, my car is faster than yours... aka wow, my mom and dad give me more money than yours. People who can afford their own car parts take it to the track because they can afford to trailor their car and pay any fees.

You'll be quick to learn Andason that I can be just as relentless, I don't pull the race card about indians, most indians don't, but they have a right to because we didn't get taken from our land and brought here, we were here first and were slaughtered for it. Don't try to pull that "the indians fought back " crap either, there was only one hostile tribe in the state of North Carolina and a handful on the East Coast.

Are you trying to say cops can be trained street racers, you're B/Sing me, so what do they do sit behind the station and practice burnouts, you're putting your foot in your mouth saying it's all right for cops to do it and not a normal person can't, and yes I have plenty of experience racing (hello this is Charlotte: Lowe's, the Rock, hell all we need is a dog track and we'll have them all) and yes for a small price you can run on any of the tracks around here. I can tell you haven't got any experience in racing, just because people who do aren't against it as much as you. I've seen the stats on street racing deaths in Charlotte and I stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning.

You come from halfway across the country talking like you know North Carolina law because you are trying to get a piece of paper saying you know a little about law,(there's more than one way to learn about law), and you're no lawyer and you're no judge, I see what goes on in court because of a ticket or to report a break in that our wonderful police department can't seem to deal with since East Charlotte is such a s*** hole trying to stop all those teenagers from taking the last dounut at Krispy Kreame. You check this place out one time, car thefts and murder has gone up, but they sure as h*** won't let the speeders get away since 1 out of every 120,000 speeders actually causes a serious accident. I won't admit i'm wrong for the simple fact that maybe one day it will catch up with me and maybe I'LL be killed by running into a 3" curb in a street race (sarcasm people), but know this I do not put others lives in danger and I have never put a passengers life in danger, i've said it before just because you get a ticket doesn't mean you actually did something wrong, who knows maybe the cop is mad because his wife cheated on him with someone that drives a car similar to mine, or maybe he seen a car similar to mine hauling a** and pulled me by mistake, it could be a million reasons, but I learned during my "training" to never assume things, assuming is what gets a little kid with a water pistol shot because the cop thought it was real. Listen pull your head out of Bushs' a** and open your eyes, this world isn't perfect and you're the only one who seems to think that cops are perfect and if you get a ticket you did something wrong, even people who are against me make good points, but you seem to be stuck on there's no such thing as racist cops, and if you street race you will kill yourself and somebody, forums are about opinions and you won't change mine regardless and you still haven't proven me wrong because I know street racing is wrong and a couple hundred people in this world have died this year because of it, hell Bush was wrong for attacking Iraq and killing thousands of innocent people, but we'll just call the schools and homes collateral damage so it doesn't sound like genocide. See I care if someone dies if I race and that is why it's called organized street racing, and yes there is a risk in doing it, but there is also a risk going to Pageland drag strip 15 minutes south and you do a bracket race against a 12 second car and they roll it halfway down the track hitting you and since Pageland's only rule is you must wear some form of helmet, they lose their life because they have no roll cage since it isn't required and you lose yours because there is no barrier between you and the opponent. When you move to this area and spend a few years here, check out a couple of the organized street races to see that we do have our own set of rules, and spend about 50+ hours in a North Carolina courtroom then come talk to me about things being perfect.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 28, 2005 - 6:22 PM

encyclopedias for sale, don't need them I can ask anderson

It may not have happened YET but it is inevitable. I'm sure it has happened you just fail to keep up with news.

One more thing and I need a smoke break, You trying to tell me I don't know what's going on in my area, i'm into organized street racing, when someone cracks a bumper at a street race we all hear about it, the only thing that has happened in the past three years was 11 guys got busted in South Charlotte for racing and Twin Lakes got shut down, that pretty much sums it up.

-calicelica+Apr 28, 2005 - 3:22 PM
hmm lets see how many radar / lasers have u operated????? cause ya know from the ones i ve used thats what they do. what did the ones u operated do????
and if u havent used one before then just plz stfu,

ok I hate to hijack this thread, but today i got pulled over in my car and i just HAVE to vent. So I was driving down Lyndale ave in Mpls. this afternoon by Lake street in Uptown, and this pr*ck of a cop pulled me over just as i got up to this really trendy restaurant on the corner. He said he was following behind me and noticed i was going 40 in a 30... he also asked me to turn my club music completly off when he came up to the car, but instead of asking me he said to turn that "noise" off... So he ended up giving me a ticket for going 5 over, and he was a complete a hole the whole time. I know the only reason he pulled ME over, other people we speeding too, is because I was listeing to some dance music in a gay neighborhood and he prolly saw my tight tee shirt... What a homophobe!!! I hate cops...
















So did that sound Ignorant? Im sure it did. Guess what? it sounds JUST as ignorant when people say they have a right to play the race card... You end up looking just as stupid as the person who supposedely judges you... making assumpions about why things happen to only YOU and playing it off because "im not white" is idiotic... And a quick question- Since when does geography dictate how good of a driver you are? Im just curiois, because im ASSUMING that it prolly works just like how female drivers always are horrible drivers >>

-SexyCelica+Apr 29, 2005 - 4:59 AM
What your a cop now? you dont even have a 6th gen celica you moron.

This post has been edited by madmods: Apr 29, 2005 - 2:19 AM

-SexyCelica+Apr 29, 2005 - 12:59 AM

SexyCelica is right there is no good way to beat radar and there is no way to beat Lidar. Even the Valentine1 system can't beat it, even though they claim it, Mythbusters did a test a couple of months ago and tried a number of items and the best the Valentine1 system could do was jam a signal and report back a much higher speed than you were actually doing. The tester was doing 40 and the radar topped out.

So did that sound Ignorant? Im sure it did. Guess what? it sounds JUST as ignorant when people say they have a right to play the race card... You end up looking just as stupid as the person who supposedely judges you... making assumpions about why things happen to only YOU and playing it off because "im not white" is idiotic... And a quick question- Since when does geography dictate how good of a driver you are? Im just curiois, because im ASSUMING that it prolly works just like how female drivers always are horrible drivers >>
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Actually that wouldn't suprise me at all if a cop pulled somebody for their music and style, look at Mischief Destroy, they pulled a Ferrari F50 for 70 in a 65 because he was driving an F50 and got it on film. They were also pulling an Audi over constantly and everyone else was doing the same speed, why the Audi, why not the rig that was in front of him, it's all on film though. You didn't sound like an a** making that statement because maybe the cop was homophobic, most people of authority (police, military) tend to be Republican and the Republican view is that homosexuality is wrong, anyways the cop found a reason to pull you over but maybe 5 over wasn't his real reason, problem is it happens.

The geography doesn't dictate how good of a driver I am, it dictates that we have a lot of ways to learn how to drive and race since Charlotte is the racing capital of the US, but that wasn't what I was trying to say, it's that NC is so bent on trying to be up California's a** that everytime they come out with a new law we have to adopt it, when San Diego police went on a rampage pulling over everyone with an aftermarket exhaust, NC did the same thing, h*** we have our own anti-street racing task force consisting of a number of performance cars to go out and street race against people, I just feel sorry for the person crossing the street when one of those idiots hits them trying to get a Hyundai Excel to run them on the busiest highway in the state. Ask easternpiro1 about rules that we use, after a run he came back doing almost 60 and I wanted to rip him a new one for it, what if someone walked across he could have hit them, I couldn't do anything though because I didn't organize that event, everyone else does about 35 coming back and when they get to the starting line they slow to about 10-15 just like pulling through a parking lot. Everyone assumes that people die in organized street racing, you know so and so died due to a street racing related accident, but they couldn't tell you about the thousands of other event going on the same night, most of the street racing death stories come from kids that had their parents buy them some IS300 or STi and they think they're Andreti getting on the highway trying to race everybody, I want the cops to bust them, they're racing in a very populated area being stupid, around here people love to cut others off and people love to tailgate so that's why I keep it off the main road, not to mention that unless you live in the same city a federal politician our roads look like a**.

-madmods+Apr 29, 2005 - 1:56 AM


ive done training with them numptard and how do u know what i drive??? and it doesnt matter, this about cops and how people are sometimes ignorant when it comes to cops,

so what only u can have an opinion oh great one?!?!?

nice post seleeka- that was probably the most impacting reply
read it and think about it,

-darksecret+Apr 28, 2005 - 5:18 PM
Did you get YOUR land taken away? End of story. OMG PEOPLE TOOK OUR LAND IN A WAR!!! Now they are going to give us reparations. WE HAVE IT SO BAD! If anything Indians have it better than whites. I have Ho-Chunk friends who get 20,000 a year just for being 1/4 Indian. Must be rough.

I do not know why you are SET in this corrupt cop business. Yup, cops just hop in a car and they are ready to hit the streets. They have training courses in cars. I don't have any experience in racing. I do not really care either. I do not care what your "statistics" are. ONE DEATH FROM SOMETHING AS STUPID AS STREET RACING IS ONE TOO MANY. Once again, when the irony occurs of you having someone close die because of some idiot racer let me know how you feel about your precious street racing.

Once again, ONE TOO MANY DEATHS. Have you ever had someone close to you die over something stupid? A drunk driver? Etc? I am far more educated about law. You may think you are just a super great person but you couldn't explain anything. It's the internet... I have my JD. I have 5 doctorates. You can say what you want to, but your speech is not really backing up your words. I see no evidence of any post education and quite honestly your arguements are very pathetic.

Wow, I find your sarcasm sooooo funny. I could say the genocide of Indians was funny. How does that sound? I'm sure someone has died that way so it isn't too fun to joke around with.

I love it. Have you heard of the liberation of Iraq? I have many friends over there who actually work with these people. Do you work with these people? No. I love it how people complain about this "war" and how people are dying while they sit on their ass and get fatter. Everyone seems to forget the fact that these people who are dying SIGNED UP FOR THE MILITARY. They signed a paper saying "I will fight for my country and will die for it." No one forced them. Please remember that Bush isn't killing these people. Sort of like the saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people." I also love it how you go for the Bush kill. I agree with what he is doing, he didn't do it in the most clean way, but he got away with it. You can thank him for taking Saddam out of power later when you aren't paying 5 dollars a gallon for gasoline.

Wow 50+ hours in a court room. You are hardcore. I think I spent 50+ just on my Mock Trial class. Add in about 20 more relevant classes and about 300 more hours and I might show respect. Fifty hours in a courtroom? Who are you? Michael Jackson? Fifty hours on the defensive isn't very impressive and you shouldn't be too happy to say that you have spent 50 hours in a courtroom. Oh, wait, this is the internet. I have spent 194,035,034 hours in a courtroom.

Show me your VAST knowledge of the law.

This post has been edited by Andason: Apr 30, 2005 - 10:58 AM

First off nothing you've said about law has anything to do with North Carolina law my time in a courtroom has been in a NC courtroom with NC judges and NC lawyers, I don't know anything about the great state of Wisconsin and the laws there, you're telling me you spent all those hours in court just proved to me you know nothing about North Carolina law since Wisconsin schools don't have a need to study NC law, and besides you study Criminal Justice, we get credits for that in high school, what are in community college.

Yes you're right about the reparations our people get a whole $2,000 a year and we were involved with the Trail of Tears, nobody took my land or anything indian related from me and that is why I don't say anything about racism and haven't lost anything and the only comment is I could pull the card if I wanted, but why should I. I can tell you're a bigot for the simple fact that you disregard the fact that I was in the Marines 2nd CEB (for you simple minded folk, that's Combat Engineer Battalion), they pulled me because of my reddish skin not because i'm indian, and that my state laws and police force differ from Wisconsin, but you act like Wisconsin is the standard. I could do the same thing by saying how would you know anything about law when your cases consist of "my brother slept with my 14 year old daughter and now she is giving birth to my nephew", I know that was cold but like I said I know nothing of Wisconsin same as you don't know anything of North Carolina, I see the crap that goes on here, you don't, it's that simple, we don't have regular deaths due to street racing, h*** we don't have one that I can remember (this is organized that i'm talking about, if a kid gets himself killed trying to race home from school that's just stupid), yeah one death is too many then I guess they should disband all police forces across the nation since Kim Medlin was murdered by Officer Josh Griffin of the Monroe Police Dept., and don't pull that we need police and not street racing crap either. Street racing has been around forever and if it wasn't for that motorsports wouldn't be where they're at, we wouldn't want a turbo to slap on the 5S or have a use for the 3S, yeah you could go to the track, then everyone plays by the rules and goes to a track and now you're sitting in this 2 hour line waiting for your one run down the track, then they build more tracks to compensate for everyone playing by the rules, but because of the noise ordinance they are stuck with limited room now this city has to shut down these tracks so that the development that just poped up down the street can have peace. What's the purpose of building a 400hp Corvette, Evo, or any powerful car for that matter, they know people are going to use that power and for the people that don't that's why they make a V6 Mustang and a GT, they also know that everyone with that power will not go to a track, because of the above statement. Let's go with a perfect world, in your case Andason, Wisconsin, alright what would happen if there were no street races and everyone followed the rules; first off they would want to race somewhere then like above they build more tracks, well if you've ever seen how big the race scene is there just isn't enough room to satisfy everyone, so those that don't feel like waiting a few hours to make one run on their only night off from work or something like that won't street race because this world (Wisconsin) is like a Walgreens commercial other than tracks can't fit on every corner and tracks aren't open 24 hours a day. Well these people that can't race feel that if they can't they don't need that kind of power if they can't use it, but 12,13, or 14 seconds a night, so they get rid of their performance machine and since tracks are only limited to the amount of people they can safely let race all of the people that can't race get rid of their cars too. Now you see where i'm going sales drop on performance cars and the automotive industry decides to quit making them because they can't cover the cost of production (good example is the Camaro/Firebird). Now if you do want a performance machine you are limited to a handful of cars that the tracks can support and the automotive and parts industries will suffer dramatically over this. It sounds far fetched because it's a snow ball effect, but it's highly possible if things were perfect and nobody street raced. This isn't some new problem that started with a movie, street racing is the reason why Chevy made the '55 Shoebox which created a huge market for the American V8. I don't like to see people bash street racing unless they know what goes on behind the news articles, and you Andason, keep telling me I sound ignorant about law, but I do know a little, you know nothing about street racing other than what the media states and of course they make it sound bad, news sales. I could go on about the Iraq thing because some of the Marines that worked for me are over there and I can relate when they say they feel like Mercs, they feel they aren't fighting for the US anymore, it's a money thing now and they hate the fact that while they sit there guarding some oil field so that Bush can make money off of it, they have to make their families suffer, read the friggin papers, people aren't re-enlisting, and if the draft starts back, while my a** is sitting there with my 240G waiting for those people we "liberated" to attack again, you tell me how it feels to be sitting in the middle of the desert with GRUNT (Ground Unit Untrained) training wishing you could go home and finish that CJ degree instead of sitting there maybe getting killed so Bush doesn't lose a couple million off of a damaged oil field.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 30, 2005 - 4:00 PM

yes andason that was awesome ahahahahhah who thought 50 hours in a court room was alot??? and was proud????

Why do I need a vast knowledge of law I have a copy of the NC General Statutes sitting on my desktop, that's how I know that Ch.71A-3 states that Lumbee Indians became an actual tribe in 1977, but didn't get any reparations until 2001, prior to 1977 they were known as the Cherokee Indians of Robeson County or the Croatans. There are also no known laws to combat organized street racing in NC other than the typical Preemptive Racing law that we learn in driver's ed. Technically the punishment of getting your car empounded when getting busted would fall under chapter 8, but it only refers to witnesses, and paperwork, nothing about keeping a vehicle in an empound yard as physical evidence, but a photograph would work just fine. I can keep looking to see if I can find a real law against street racing but it might take a couple of days, or a bill to pass. Since you seemed to ignore me before Andason, I don't specialize in law, I took a Criminal Justice class in high school, I am a computer tech., you ask me why your computer won't boot and I can give you 10 reasons off the top of my head, just like if you don't know you probably look it up. Street racing is wrong, yes, is there any real laws against it, no. I can tell you the reasons I see, I don't go off what I hear, I go off what facts I can find, and I don't look for Bob's website of facts either, I look at reputable sites such as charlotte.com or ask Rhonda Miller who is a magistrate and my friend, when I stand there while my car is being searched at 11:30pm and ask the narc agents partner why and their only response is they're bored, it burns me up. You will not change my opinion and if I die in a street race I know I died doing what I loved, instead of taking a bullet to make a man a quick buck. I can already tell you're wanting to pull that you'll take someone with you crap, but as before there have been no fatalities due to organized street racing in Charlotte so you might have to wait a while before I tell you how it feels, but I can tell you now that if they died watching or racing, they knew the consequences and I wont have pity for them, you don't do it so don't bother responding about the street racing thing until you actually go out and get a few runs under your belt. You can check the NHTSA to find racing laws but remember most organized street races are held outside their jurasdiction and the records they have are based on the "high school kid racing home" B/S that is not organized street racing.

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First off nothing you've said about law has anything to do with North Carolina law my time in a courtroom has been in a NC courtroom with NC judges and NC lawyers, I don't know anything about the great state of Wisconsin and the laws there, you're telling me you spent all those hours in court just proved to me you know nothing about North Carolina law since Wisconsin schools don't have a need to study NC law, and besides you study Criminal Justice, we get credits for that in high school, what are in community college.
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Are you trying to say my program is worthless? What a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal. Law is generally the same regardless of state. They all generally require the same elements and the wording of the laws are different. Policing procedure is generally the same too because people don't expect to be treated a lot different just because they are in a different state. I was joking about the courtroom making fun of you because this is the internet and I can say whatever I want to in order to make my argument look better.

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I can tell you're a bigot for the simple fact that you disregard the fact that I was in the Marines 2nd CEB (for you simple minded folk, that's Combat Engineer Battalion),
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Wow, that makes you special. An engineer? You must have had barrages of bullets fired at you in the garage. Though an essential part of the military, you just keep the equipment running for the real heros. I have dozens upon dozens of friends stationed in different parts of Iraq (Samarra to name the worst) and I respect them much more because of what they do.
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you act like Wisconsin is the standard. I could do the same thing by saying how would you know anything about law when your cases consist of "my brother slept with my 14 year old daughter and now she is giving birth to my nephew", I know that was cold but like I said I know nothing of Wisconsin same as you don't know anything of North Carolina
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You are deeper south than I am buddy. If you want to look at politics look who went red and look who went blue. You act like NC is above the law, apparently NC is sovereign in creating their own extravagent laws. LAW IS ALMOST ALWAYS THE SAME WHERE YOU GO. Can you commit crimes in NC that you would get away with in WI or vice-versa? Yeah. Exactly.
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but because of the noise ordinance they are stuck with limited room now this city has to shut down these tracks so that the development that just poped up down
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Oh my God... you have NOISE ORDINANCES in NC????? WOW!

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Let's go with a perfect world, in your case Andason, Wisconsin, alright what would happen if there were no street races and everyone followed the rules
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That would be one step closer to utopia and keep idiots like you from abusing the power of their car and killing people. Tell me... what practical use does a 400 horsepower car have?
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the automotive and parts industries will suffer dramatically over this. It sounds far fetched because it's a snow ball effect, but it's highly possible if things were perfect and nobody street raced.
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Wow, you can't possibly be serious. Have you ever not had a car for a few days? Imagine riding your bike to work every day. Automobiles will still be needed and thriving. I don't know about you but your precious massive displacement automobiles are becoming less and less popular and are dying in the market because of gas prices.

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keep telling me I sound ignorant about law, but I do know a little, you know nothing about street racing other than what the media states and of course they make it sound bad, news sales.
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Yeah, because we don't have street racing in Wisconsin. Please list me how street racing benefits society and our community. Your suffered automotive loss argument has already failed.
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I could go on about the Iraq thing because some of the Marines that worked for me are over there and I can relate when they say they feel like Mercs, they feel they aren't fighting for the US anymore, it's a money thing now and they hate the fact that while they sit there guarding some oil field so that Bush can make money off of it, they have to make their families suffer, read the friggin papers, people aren't re-enlisting, and if the draft starts back, while my a** is sitting there with my 240G waiting for those people we "liberated" to attack again, you tell me how it feels to be sitting in the middle of the desert with GRUNT (Ground Unit Untrained) training wishing you could go home and finish that CJ degree instead of sitting there maybe getting killed so Bush doesn't lose a couple million off of a damaged oil field.
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Once again, you sat in a garage. MECHANIC. My friends are all INFANTRY. They make fun of you all day about how you complain how bad you have it. They do not complain why they are there because they know they are helping. You complain cuz you sit in a garage all day.

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Why do I need a vast knowledge of law I have a copy of the NC General Statutes sitting on my desktop, that's how I know that Ch.71A-3 states that Lumbee Indians became an actual tribe in 1977, but didn't get any reparations until 2001, prior to 1977 they were known as the Cherokee Indians of Robeson County or the Croatans.
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WOW. I have a copy of every states statutes sitting at my fingertips... it's called Findlaw.com.
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There are also no known laws to combat organized street racing in NC other than the typical Preemptive Racing law that we learn in driver's ed. Technically the punishment of getting your car empounded when getting busted would fall under chapter 8, but it only refers to witnesses, and paperwork, nothing about keeping a vehicle in an empound yard as physical evidence, but a photograph would work just fine. I can keep looking to see if I can find a real law against street racing but it might take a couple of days, or a bill to pass.
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It falls somewhere under "reckless endangerment, reckless driving" catagory. Look that up in your statutes.
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Since you seemed to ignore me before Andason, I don't specialize in law, I took a Criminal Justice class in high school, I am a computer tech., you ask me why your computer won't boot and I can give you 10 reasons off the top of my head, just like if you don't know you probably look it up.
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Where did you go? Boot camp? Yeah once again, you sit there in air conditioning at a computer and get fatter while cops are in -32 below weather helping people out.
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Street racing is wrong, yes, is there any real laws against it, no. I can tell you the reasons I see, I don't go off what I hear, I go off what facts I can find, and I don't look for Bob's website of facts either, I look at reputable sites such as charlotte.com or ask Rhonda Miller who is a magistrate and my friend, when I stand there while my car is being searched at 11:30pm and ask the narc agents partner why and their only response is they're bored, it burns me up.
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They say they are bored to not come out with the obvious. They aren't going to say we are looking for narcotics.
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You will not change my opinion and if I die in a street race I know I died doing what I loved, instead of taking a bullet to make a man a quick buck.
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You aren't the person I am worried about. It is the person who you hit who doesn't like street racing and has a bright life ahead of them. You end it over your bloodsport.
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I can already tell you're wanting to pull that you'll take someone with you crap, but as before there have been no fatalities due to organized street racing in Charlotte so you might have to wait a while before I tell you how it feels, but I can tell you now that if they died watching or racing, they knew the consequences and I wont have pity for them, you don't do it so don't bother responding about the street racing thing until you actually go out and get a few runs under your belt.
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We were all 16 at one point. So what if there have been no deaths in Charlotte because of street racing? There have been deaths in other places and it is inevitable.
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You can check the NHTSA to find racing laws but remember most organized street races are held outside their jurasdiction and the records they have are based on the "high school kid racing home" B/S that is not organized street racing.
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No street racing is "organized." It is still illegal. Just because you can't find a direct law saying street racing is illegal you have to look at the elements. Speeding, Excessive Excelleration, Reckless driving, Reckless Endangerment, Possible vehicle code violations, etc. Think of how many laws you break on your next "run."

By the way.... who races an unmodified 6gc?


PS i dont know why the quotes didnt work... but you get the idea.

This post has been edited by Andason: May 5, 2005 - 6:27 PM

Ok I ignored this thread for a while because it seems to be out of hand... but what i dont understand is why you would take the chance street racing.

Idk about other states but in NYS if you get caught it constitutes a misdemenor plue a fine up to $525.00... and if you get a second conviction within 12 months of the first violation you can be imprisoned for up to 6 months and fined up to $750.00. In my opinion I don't think its worth it.

Tell me if im wrong because i dont know much about racing... but aren't there enclosed race tracks where people can do this with out endangering other people? I'm pretty sure im right about that.

and just to add my two cents ( even though im sure its not welcome) The cops don't suck... yes there are some officers who aren't good cops... and yes some are racist... but im sure that the number is small compared to how many really do make a difference and do a good job. Maybe if people took repsonsibilty for when they do something wrong... the wouldnt think the cops suck...

Oh and Andason... are you studying to be a lawyer?... if your not... you should be. Just some imput from me, i listen to lawyers all day. >>

-ILuvMyCelica95+May 5, 2005 - 5:35 PM
I'm considering law as a route. I have the LSAT in June so we'll see how I do there. Thanks for the encouragement >>

Im studying to be a paralegal right now and i work in a law office. I really think you should go for your LSAT, and your welcome!