I fully agree, high dollar cars are lowering in quality (mechanical) while crap cars are raising it, eventually KIA will have a 500HP supercar to run against the rest of the pile.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 23, 2005 - 5:28 PM

-darksecret+Apr 23, 2005 - 5:28 PM

Have you *seen* the amount of engineering that goes into a Zonda. Or a Carrera GT?

-Mr_E+Apr 23, 2005 - 7:03 PM

Yeah, have you seen the amount of engineering that goes into most vehicles. Most of the "engineering" is done on the race track, almost all manufacturers are involved in racing. Do you think the paddle shift was on a Ferrari production car before the race car. They may have been the developers but the fact remains that still doesn't justify a $200,000+ price tag. What about the development of the Renesis and the RX-8 is still a fair priced car. Now take an inline four and produce almost 300HP from it and you got yourself some development. Oh wait Toyota did that already. In the world of V8's seeing a 400HP small block isn't very original in the world of 4's it is. With technology today anyone can have a V-12 producing 500HP+, even a 4 cyclinder with 500HP+ isn't hard to achieve. Now when Ferrari or Lamoborghini decide to make a 1,000HP supercar, manage to make it truely street legal and keep it under 3,000lbs. with 30+mpg, that will be true engineering for todays time. I remember reading an article of a developer for AEM having a 700HP+ (can't remember) Supra that got 31mpg, that came from one guy and it was a couple of years ago, so why can't a group of engineers from Ferrari pull it off?

-darksecret+Apr 23, 2005 - 1:42 PM

so its better in the quarter mile?

dont get me wrong, chevelles are one of my favorite muscle cars, but it still is a boat compaired to any modern day supercar

also, i dont give a rats ass about nascar.

It is a boat but with the rear truck suspension it handles as well as a newer Z28, we got the idea for the rear suspension from a Hot Rod show where they took a Nova and added a rear truck suspension. (for those that do not know what a truck suspension is, it's the suspension used on a Stock Car). Also I don't like NASCAR racing but they actually use good technology (although mostly mechanical) and it is based on driver ability more than the car. This Chevelle was built more for the street than strip, the last Chevelle was an all out drag car that could walk a 4' high wheelie half way down the track but it also had a blown 427 sticking out of the hood.

I know if someone that can afford a $200,000 car won't have to worry about fuel, but why can't these manufacterers quit doing the same s*** over and over again. Carbon composite bodies and sequential shift are yesterday stuff, someone with enough time and a list of formulas can come up with a 600HP V12 supercar, but why not create an electric supercharger that works or true unlimited variable valve timing, what about making a V12 with no less than 700HP in all their production cars, go all out and make a V12 that gets 40mpg, that would be a feat for Lamborghini. It's like Cadillac when they made the V16, it's 16 cylinders it should have made more than 1,000HP, there are regular cars out there that make that much power on 6 cyclinders. I once was a Ferrari fan, but whith the F40 and F50, I seen street ready "race cars" that couldn't handle for jack, i've seen trucks pull corners better than those cars, now i'll give it to the Enzo it's better and also twice the price. The great European engineering legacy died when the Mercedes and BMW lines became very common else where. I will admit that Chevy does make a cheap feeling vehicle, my Sierra felt like sitting in a tupperware container because of the cheap and huge dashboard, but I also paid $5,000 for it, and got a 350ci Vortec V8 that could easily get 19mpg if not more and could still run with a Z28.

most useless thread to ever grace the 6gc boards.

It did get out of hand, didn't it, but as I say in a lot of my responses it just comes down to preference. If you want to spend a big chunk of money on a name go for it, I never said that exotics were bad cars but as far as what you get for the money IMO they aren't worth it, especially when a 17 year old kid gets one after destroying a perfectly good GT-S.

EDIT: If they knock the price back a little this is a good supercar even gets twice the mpg as others of the same speed. This makes for a good Enzo killer.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...7&page_number=1

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?se...4&page_number=3

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 24, 2005 - 4:37 PM

-darksecret+Apr 24, 2005 - 5:49 PM
i cant see it running with a z28. my dad had one. they go pretty good for a truck, but a z28 should be able to pull away pretty easly. now a bagged out one is a different story, but whatever i dont care.

It wasn't exactly stock and it was a '94 Z28 Auto and I beat him by 3/10ths in an 1/8th mile track. I wish I could find the time slip because I ran a '93 Mustang GT that night and lost by a half second. My goal when I got the truck was to beat the new Silverado SS, then the Lightning. I ran it against my Celica one time, started two car lengths behind, and still completely passed it before the 60' mark. Unfortunatly I didn't get a camera before I sold my truck.