-saleeka+May 12, 2005 - 1:07 AM

I could hug you right now.. thats what iv been thinkign but couldnt get out of my mouth...

I've already said I didn't compare it, Car & Driver did. C5 or C6, the C6 would give anything less than a Turbo a hard time, the new Z06 would decimate them all except maybe the Turbo S and GT2, I do recall this one C5 a few years ago that came in first at the Supercar Challenge, you know Linginfelter, the Prosche came in second, of course in a sense it would be like comparing a Vette to a 911 or 911 to Vette. With all this engineering the S2000 has and an aftermarket company like Mazdaspeed can make a stock Miata almost keep up with the S2000, also they put the turbo on it because they could handle it, Mazda has to warrant these cars, if they thought Mazdaspeed would send out faulty motors that would break down due to stress then after 100,000 miles all of them would be lemons, it doesn't work that way, the Mazda still has some heart left in that 1.8L.

-darksecret+May 10, 2005 - 8:38 PM
heheh... you're saying that because? The S2000 is a good selling car based on its market. Why would Honda do anything different? How would you know better than Honda's well paid and experienced marketing department? Look at it this way, there aren't many cars 2800 pounds with 300 horsepower on the market. I can name a couple, but those come with pricetags worthy of a house. Who are you to say what the guys should or should not buy? He asked a question, he did not ask for you to convince him otherwise... maybe he just wants an S2000... so why not just try and help him out instead of going off on how great a Miata is? Seriously dude... just stop it already. Who cares how great you think mazda and the miata is... no one asked.

If he wants it we wont convince him to get another type, I was just stating the it's a good car, but for all the money sunk into it, they could have done, better. What about 300hp, the S2000 doesn't have 300, for the same price as the S2000 you can get the 350Z Roadster and walk all over it, it even has near perfect weight distribution. Everyone goes on about how great Honda is, yes they're good, but just because they were first on the import tuner market doesn't make them the greatest, I don't care if someone can squeeze 240hp out of a 2.2 litre, Mazda did it with a 1.3 (rotory of course). Take the Solstice for instance, you have a 177hp roadster, for $20 grand, alright sink an extra $13,000 in it and that $33,000 price tag of the S2000 makes you look like you got a steal. (and don't even try to say the Ecotec can't handle it, they use the stock block in the drag cars) The S2000 along with other Hondas are over rated, you don't get what you pay for, unlike with other manufacturers, it's a status symbol not a race car. The S2000 is a good car in general, but it cost to much for what you get, when you have other roadsters that cost much less, and nearly beat it, that isn't an honor that's a go back to the drawing board.

"A nest of hornets under the hood with not enough sting" - Car and Driver

"The inflexible power band is also what makes the S2000 a somewhat unsatisfying drive in everyday traffic. The Honda is a stone in first gear until the VTEC crossover at about 33 mph, at which time any cop loitering nearby will wonder where all the noise is coming from." - Car and Driver

"The S2000 was 0.7 mph slower over its fastest lap than the porkier 350Z and only 0.5 mph faster than the clomping Mustang Mach 1. The S2000 engine's compressed power band is its downfall. You don't get all the horsepower you've paid for until the engine zings to 8300 rpm, or all the torque — that is, all 153 pound-feet — until 7500 rpm." - Car and Driver

These quotes are from a comparo, the 350Z came in first, unless you are looking for a weekend driver, an S2000 is a bad idea. Like I said before you have to floor it to get to any power. That's why I brought the Miata, good power, and a softer ride, with a much lower powerband. IMO if you want to run at 8,000 RPM's everywhere you go buy a Ducati and smoke every car on the road.

This post has been edited by darksecret: May 12, 2005 - 11:38 AM

-darksecret+May 12, 2005 - 4:08 PM
Heh... the 300 number is based on your opinion that the S2000 needs an additional 50hp. And the 350Z roadster won't walk all over the S2000. The 350Z roadster is too fat to "walk all over" the S2000. The Z roadster weighs over 4000 pounds. You obviously don't know too much about track racing and the autoX scene if you think that. You're arguing like a domestic guy trying to go import. >> The normal 350Z maybe... but not the roadster. And since you understand you're not gonna change his mind anyway... why are you even bothering to go off and start naming others cars he "should" get? If not to convince him, then what? To show off?

I'm sorry brother... but you just don't know what you're talking about. You're trying to compare apples and oranges when you bring up rotaries. Honda is the best of the best when it comes to n/a 4 bangers. Mazda's rotaries don't fall under the same catergory as normal piston engines as far as hp per liter goes.

Heheh... how many people buy a brand new car and then void all warantees my modding it? There is no logic in your reasoning here. I can take a 500.00 dollar startlet and with 10K turn it into a sub 9 second car if I really wanted to... but who cares really. NOBODY asked what cars are better than the S2000... You're the one trying to show off bustin on a Honda without any reason.

LOL... good for you. So you now prove you have an extreme bias against Honda. If you've ever built a Honda race car, perhaps you'll understand the reason why they're so popular. Of course popular cars tend to draw in people who do stupid **** to their cars, but that by no means makes one car better or worse than another. It's ignorant to say Honda's are overrated because they're popular. Let's see here... Skunk2 built some of the FIRST sub 10 second n/a FWD drag cars powered by Honda engines. Spoon has been very dominant in 24 hour endurance races around the world (they won recently at Thunder Hill raceway)... Honda powered F1 racecars have been very dominant for over a decade (90's)... I agree their fan-base is all based on fads... but you're no better than the bandwagoneers when you dis on something based on other people's opinions.

So you're baseing EVERYTHING you've said on someone else's opinion? You're trying to convince people something is bad based on OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINION? If you've NEVER driven an S2000 like it's meant to be driven, how can you come to some radical conclusion (like it's lacking in power), or any conclusion at all? That's pretty silly if you're looking at it from an objective veiw point. The S2000 was pretty much the top of its class when it was first introduced, but it's not designed to be a daily driver of sorts. It's a pure enthusiast car. It's like buying a Ferrari and sulking because it gets ****ty gas mileage. Seriously now.

I think Car and Driver's opinion holds more water than mine, I know I was talking about a rotory, it was a statement, I am not the one who took the 350Z Roadster to the track and ran it against the S2000, that is why Car and Driver, Motortrend, and all the other review companies are there, if nobody listened they wouldn't bother. I have driven the S2000 and I didn't like it, but I can honestly say the same for the Miata, i'm 6'2" so it's a little too cramped for me. I wasn't showing off, I was giving other options and giving facts based on un-biased roadtest, and in all actuality Car and Driver will admit they are biased towards Hondas and Fords, yeah I figured you would have mentioned the weight, just because the car is heavy doesn't mean the thing can't handle, look at the '99 Skyline, it's a boat but it handles nicely. There are too many biased Honda nuts on here, I never said they were bad just over rated, my staement was unbiased and I even brought in the pros, if you don't believe me check for your self. I've driven most Hondas and Acuras and they never feel like they have the power they claim, maybe it's the lack of torque but that is how it is with me. I feel the same towards mid '90s DSMs also, they are good but they have a lack of low end power. Woah and over 4,000 what kind of behemoth are you planning on cramming in that car, fully loaded, with the kitchen sink is 3536, try 3,225 for the manual with a 53/47 weight split. Like I was saying dollar for dollar, the 350Z Roadster has it. If you had to choose between a roadster and coupe for autox wouldn't you take the coupe even though it's only about 50lbs. less.