Ive decided im doing the swap... Ive reasearched so much and the confusing part to me is. What engine will fit in my 1996 GT.

These are some that i found...

-97 Toyota-celica st205 3s-gte complete motor + 5spd-4wd m/t + wire harness + non ecu (big turbo) (motor set) 245hp

-94 Toyota-Celica ST185 3S-gte complete motor + 5spd-m/t + ecu + wire harness (motor set) 225hp us$ + shipping

-87-90 toyota-celica ta63 3t-gte+5spmt (complete motor, + ecu + wire harness ) (monthly special

Those are 3 choices i found so far. VenusAuto.. Any info is needed i want to purchase stuff this weekend..

Thank you

There is no 94 ST185

I have never heard of a "ta63". Perhaps they mean ST165. If so, I would stay away.

Are those clips or engine / tranny sets?

Did you see the "feasable engine swaps" sticky?

Yes, these were the listings that VenusAuto has.

Im still debating on this or the RippMods SuperCharger.

GET A CLIP

yea, get a clip >>

Heres what I noticed is ur first problem. You started looking and asking these questions the sane day and you want to buy something this weekend. I already can tell your rushinng into this and thats not a good idea.

Acutally, im a long time member of this site. Ive been reading forums and searching for over a year now, on this stuff. I jsut dont get involved in the silly arguments on here.

But my main concern is the after affects. The swap to me isnt that hard. Its how is the car gonna run after i do it. But damm, i just got my reply from RippMods, and thats sounding good. Ive been following that for almost a year now too. But now i got the money and im purchasing this weekend, if not ill blow it all on silly little stuff.

well for one thing... ill vouch for venus-auto if u wunna get it from 'em. theyre really reliable and easy to talk to... just ask for vicky cuz u wont be able to understand crap from the, tho very cool, english challenged owner.. they'll include everything (yes everything >> )... from afm to ignitor to the 3rd ecu plug... they'll have it in there with the swap package. anything else u need they'll get it for u (since they import the clips and pull the engines out themselves... they usually have everything included). and if something dont work.. theyll replace it..

oh btw dont pay attention to their site.. it hasnt been updated for years.. lol its better just to call 'em at (916) 386 2286. remember ask for vicky

they also sell clips so if u wunna go that route thats cool too >>

bboy

Will they sell the odds and ends that one might need for the swap separately?

-Yota+Jun 5, 2005 - 7:36 AM
They won't do it through the internet or phone... but sometimes in person they will. Typically, I think they try not to part their clips and engine sets and such.

-Yota+Jun 5, 2005 - 7:36 AM

i dont believe so...

bboy

Well for those of you with swaps already.... how has it been running, and how long have you been running it. Im looking at how reliable is it after the swap?

-sapperk+Jun 5, 2005 - 11:04 AM

I have had very bad luck with maintenance issues after my swap but I think my experience has been worse than most. I have finally almost gotten everything dialed in now.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Jun 5, 2005 - 12:07 PM

over all everything runs great.....but you have to remember that now you own a turbo car, and that just needs more love and care. it will be the same way if you get the ripp charger tho. just get ready to pop the hood more often to doubble check how things are running. over all, its still a realiable toyota. there are lots of mr2 and alltrac owners out that the proove the motor is very realibable.

i dont really have anything else to tell except, NOT to get the motor/tranny combo. get a clip! you learn so much by just taking the 3s out of clip, you get lots of spare parts, you get to lable every plug and hose, so that you know where they go to later, you can sell off tons of parts, etc.....

Well still debating,, with the RippModsSC

Well if i want the 3SGTE, what year is the best to go with?

i have a 96 celica gt

Best for what?

Between 2nd and 3rd gen, here are the best:

Reliability: 3rd gen
Stock Power or modified up to 330whp: 3rd gen
Parts availability: 2nd gen
modified power over 330whp: either

so your saying the 2nd and 3rd gen both fit with no problems

-sapperk+Jun 6, 2005 - 1:07 AM

Have your researched this at all? A 3sgte is a 3sgte, they both mount the same way. The wiring is going to be different from year to year. There are a few suttle differences between generations, types of turbo's etc.. You really should take the time and search.

-Supersprynt+Jun 4, 2005 - 6:27 PM


-sapperk+Jun 4, 2005 - 6:31 PM


-sapperk+Jun 5, 2005 - 9:07 PM


You've been reading the forums and researching for over a year and your still stuck on these questions. Like I said, before you seem to be rushing into this.

If you go with a 2nd gen you will beable to get alot of after market parts & stock parts because the 2nd gen came to the U.S. on the mr2...

-Punch+Jun 6, 2005 - 3:50 AM

1st and 2nd gens also came in the celica all-trac.

I'd go with 3rd gen. The engines all share the same "Essential" parts, such as waterpump, timing belt, gaskets, etc... The Only major differences is the intercooler, turbo, and ECU (MAP)...

-Rjb23+Jun 5, 2005 - 9:11 PM

Alrighty then,,, this is what i mean by the silly arguments. This whole web site is about what everyone has done, correct? Ive done a lot of research, and searching on here, read all the forums, and this would be called researching also.
The only way to know if something is a sure thing when it comes to swapping is to talk to people that have already did it. The things im trieing to find out is like the wiring, you say on certain years the wiring is different. Well those are the things i want to know. As for rushing into things, i have not bought anything yet. And im not purchasing in till i have all the facts.



This post has been edited by sapperk: Jun 7, 2005 - 5:25 AM

-Kwanza26+Jun 7, 2005 - 12:54 AM

Here is a list of differences:

- MAP sensor instead of AFM
- Bosch D-Jetronic (Gen III) vs. L-Jetronic (relatively primitive) engine management
- CT20b turbo replaces CT26
- Boost raised from 10psi to 13psi
- Fuel cut raised from 12 psi to 18 psi
- Different ECU
- 4 wire O2 sensor
- Shim under bucket valve shims
- slightly more aggressive cams
- Revised internals (pistons, con-rods etc.)
- Revised cylinder head cooling passages/water jackets
- Revised intake manifold (8 'independent long ports' reduced to 4)
- intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added. i.e. after turbo and intercooler.
- lower compression ratio
- stainless steel head gasket
- factory 540cc injectors replace 440cc injectors
- revised fuel rail with bigger bore and relocated pressure regulator
- TVIS eliminated
- EGR eliminated
- throttle body increased from 55mm to 60mm
- inlet valve lift increased from 8.2 to 8.7
- intake manifold inlet air temperature sensor added
- Less restrictive exhaust elbow
- Aluminum oil pan
- more rigid alloy sump and additional oil baffles
- Factory Catch can
- Better Oil Cooler and relocated oil filter (bottom)
- 4 Channel ABS coupled with Traction Control available
- No. 1 compression ring described as 'stainless steel' instead of just 'steel'. Oil ring is described as 'stainless steel' instead of 'a combination of steel and stainless steel'.
- The fuel pressure raised from 36 PSI (2.55 bar) to 41 PSI (2.9bar)
- air to air intercooler is replaced with air to water intercooler.

keep in mind, I doubt you wanna put a an OBOI engine into ur OBOII car. It can be done, but what a wiring headache.

-BBoYRuGGeD+Jun 5, 2005 - 1:15 PM
Not at all! I have tried in person, over the phone, internet, everything. I have a few parts I am looking for that came up missing during the swap and can't get them.

This is a good thread about some of the differences between the gen II and gen III motors:

Built Gen II or Built Gen III

Pay particular attention to the posts by RickyB and ChrisC. My synopsis if you don't want to read the whole thing is that if your goals are 330whp or under, the Gen III is the way to go (not taking into consideration parts availability issues). If your goals are more than that, both will do the job but there are some good reasons to go with the Gen II.

thanks for all the info, now i can make a decision here soon, i hope.. Rip Mods or 3rd Gen