i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
Edo's Celica DYNO TUNE. - 6G Celicas Forums
Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!
Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM)
i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...Full custom Projects from restoration to performance builds<<<<<< DCw / JDMart >>>>>>>
He was building for boost, but the compression didn't work out for that application. The 7a head is just... limitied. the 4ag with cams suitable would be great... that would drop the compression back down though...
-doGGy+Jun 28, 2005 - 12:35 AM
Thanks bro, I wouldn't have been able to say that **** better >
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This post has been edited by edo17982: Jun 27, 2005 - 8:25 PM
QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 28, 2005 - 12:35 AM)
Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!
Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
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Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM)
i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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Thanks bro, I wouldn't have been able to say that **** better >
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This post has been edited by edo17982: Jun 27, 2005 - 8:25 PM
-doGGy+Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM
i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM)
Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!
Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
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Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM)
i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
-FallenHero+Jun 27, 2005 - 3:37 PM
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 10:17 PM
Yes, it was
QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jun 27, 2005 - 3:37 PM)
He was building for boost, but the compression didn't work out for that application. The 7a head is just... limitied. the 4ag with cams suitable would be great... that would drop the compression back down though...
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-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 10:17 PM
QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 27, 2005 - 10:17 PM)
-doGGy+Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM
i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
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QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM)
Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!
Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
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Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM)
i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
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Yes, it was
Yes, it was, but if you have 11.02 CR under your hood, where is no way to go turbo with such thing... So instead going turbo - he stoped the project and left it as N/A for some time, changed his mind few times, thought about head swap to 4AG, thought about ITB's and etc.... Almost vent with ITB's till i overtalked him AGAIN to forget about all these N/A things, and just go FI.
Cuz N/A will still just be N/A, gonna eat alot of fuel, scream like it was doing 100, but gonna go at 10.... I would understand, if this was Honda motor, all N/A with (just like the one what FallenHero posted on Off-topics), this would be a killer... But then you try to make our Amazing 7AFE the N/A monster - all you will get is just a money Eater, and smoked everyday by a stock cars...
7AFE N/A motor - NOT WORTH A PENNY, better go Turbo, blow this mofo 3 times in a row, and still this will be cheaper then to have strong running N/A 7A....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 10:17 PM
Cuz N/A will still just be N/A, gonna eat alot of fuel, scream like it was doing 100, but gonna go at 10.... I would understand, if this was Honda motor, all N/A with (just like the one what FallenHero posted on Off-topics), this would be a killer... But then you try to make our Amazing 7AFE the N/A monster - all you will get is just a money Eater, and smoked everyday by a stock cars...
7AFE N/A motor - NOT WORTH A PENNY, better go Turbo, blow this mofo 3 times in a row, and still this will be cheaper then to have strong running N/A 7A....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 10:17 PM
QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 27, 2005 - 10:17 PM)
-doGGy+Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM
i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
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QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 27, 2005 - 5:35 PM)
Get more out of the exact setup like this - and youll be a hero!
Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
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Why? Cuz someone like you would KNOW one thing - GO TURBO instead of asking questions like what N/A mod should i do to make my ST faster.....
-MonsterBOX+Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM
QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 27, 2005 - 2:33 PM)
i dont understand why youd would go through all that and only get 25hp...did u do the itbs?
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i understand but wasnt turbo his original intention?
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Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...Full custom Projects from restoration to performance builds<<<<<< DCw / JDMart >>>>>>>
agreed, this car has like.. 110 whp. Basically stock 4ag's are putting down 95ish, and the SIMPLE bolt on ones are getting over 110. I saw a ITB one the other day with cams make 115 at the wheels. And, it was RWD, so there was more drivetrain loss.
7a=-not a NA motor in 7afe form. 7age... we'll see. >>
7a=-not a NA motor in 7afe form. 7age... we'll see. >
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yea but all the head work he did switching now would just suck
which is why I'd slap on a high quality thick head gasket and boost the hell out of it. >>
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I told the same to Edo, he should get HKS 2 mm 6 layers metal head gasket and put it on, and then just slap the turbo... But he aint listen to me >
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-FallenHero+Jun 28, 2005 - 11:15 PM
>-FallenHero+Jun 28, 2005 - 11:15 PM
QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jun 28, 2005 - 11:15 PM)
which is why I'd slap on a high quality thick head gasket and boost the hell out of it. >>
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-doGGy+Jun 29, 2005 - 2:22 AM
He aint? lol, So you're from Alabama also ehh? >>
EDO, LISTEN TO ROMAS!
QUOTE(doGGy @ Jun 29, 2005 - 2:22 AM)
I told the same to Edo, he should get HKS 2 mm 6 layers metal head gasket and put it on, and then just slap the turbo... But he aint listen to me >>
-FallenHero+Jun 28, 2005 - 11:15 PM
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>-FallenHero+Jun 28, 2005 - 11:15 PM
QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jun 28, 2005 - 11:15 PM)
which is why I'd slap on a high quality thick head gasket and boost the hell out of it. >>
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He aint? lol, So you're from Alabama also ehh? >
>EDO, LISTEN TO ROMAS!
don't use a think head gasket it will blow
EDO listen to me
get custom low comp pistons with me >>
This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 29, 2005 - 11:36 AM
EDO listen to me
get custom low comp pistons with me >
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-playr158+Jun 29, 2005 - 9:36 AM
as long as he gets a quality one it won't. They are, after all, made for it. Plus, he has already had his crank balanced with the pistons he has, so getting new pistons could be a problem... he also JUST re-built the engine.
This post has been edited by FallenHero: Jun 29, 2005 - 11:51 AM
QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 29, 2005 - 9:36 AM)
don't use a think head gasket it will blow
EDO listen to me
get custom low comp pistons with me >>
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EDO listen to me
get custom low comp pistons with me >
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as long as he gets a quality one it won't. They are, after all, made for it. Plus, he has already had his crank balanced with the pistons he has, so getting new pistons could be a problem... he also JUST re-built the engine.
This post has been edited by FallenHero: Jun 29, 2005 - 11:51 AM
true true
but considering stock cr is like 9.5:1 and my ideal is like 8.5:1 how thick of a headgasket would you need? and i mean for edo he's at like wat
11.5:1? he'd need a pretty thick one?
but considering stock cr is like 9.5:1 and my ideal is like 8.5:1 how thick of a headgasket would you need? and i mean for edo he's at like wat
11.5:1? he'd need a pretty thick one?
in all honesty, 7th gen celicas boost safely to over 250whp, and they run 11.5:1 compression. If you could get it down to 10:1 or in the 9's, that would significantly reduce risk. All in all htough, tuning is what is needed. Lower compression is just widens the errors less detramental.
Playr, you aint reading again....... He is at 11.02:1.... Im at 10.8 with GZE pistons.... Using 2 mm head gasket at 10.8:1 CR i will get the 9.2 CR...... so in Edos case he will ge around 9.5 - 9.8, as for exact nnumber i have to count..
-playr158+Jun 29, 2005 - 10:42 AM
-playr158+Jun 29, 2005 - 10:42 AM
QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 29, 2005 - 10:42 AM)
true true
but considering stock cr is like 9.5:1 and my ideal is like 8.5:1 how thick of a headgasket would you need? and i mean for edo he's at like wat
11.5:1? he'd need a pretty thick one?
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but considering stock cr is like 9.5:1 and my ideal is like 8.5:1 how thick of a headgasket would you need? and i mean for edo he's at like wat
11.5:1? he'd need a pretty thick one?
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Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...Full custom Projects from restoration to performance builds<<<<<< DCw / JDMart >>>>>>>
Not only tuning..... Higher CR means higher Octane fuel. And hig CR and Boost means almost race fuel.... Detonation would kill.....
-FallenHero+Jun 29, 2005 - 12:49 PM
-FallenHero+Jun 29, 2005 - 12:49 PM
QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jun 29, 2005 - 12:49 PM)
in all honesty, 7th gen celicas boost safely to over 250whp, and they run 11.5:1 compression. If you could get it down to 10:1 or in the 9's, that would significantly reduce risk. All in all htough, tuning is what is needed. Lower compression is just widens the errors less detramental.
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Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...Full custom Projects from restoration to performance builds<<<<<< DCw / JDMart >>>>>>>
oh, I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that those seventh gen guys are making good power. You just can't screw anything up or the engine will have a short life. >>
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so are we back to the forget custom pistons and use
4agze pistons with a HKS 2mm 6-layer metal headgasket?
4agze pistons with a HKS 2mm 6-layer metal headgasket?
no, the custom pistons would be better, but they cost money. >>
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i dont get it... in the first run, it says hp is 110... isnt that what st's come with stock??? because it says compression is 11 whatever. obviously this car has performance mods. i dont understand.
They come with that to the crank, which is like 8x-9x to the wheels depending on various factors.
Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
-JoKeRkId613+Jul 2, 2005 - 11:30 AM
Well yes but mixture was rich as hell, that's the reason it only gave power as stock >>
QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Jul 2, 2005 - 11:30 AM)
i dont get it... in the first run, it says hp is 110... isnt that what st's come with stock??? because it says compression is 11 whatever. obviously this car has performance mods. i dont understand.
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Well yes but mixture was rich as hell, that's the reason it only gave power as stock >
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still dont get it. lol. so whats the hp when everything is working correctly? with a perfect mixture and all that.
-JoKeRkId613+Jul 3, 2005 - 1:53 AM
127 hp at the crank.
QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 1:53 AM)
still dont get it. lol. so whats the hp when everything is working correctly? with a perfect mixture and all that.
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127 hp at the crank.
edo sell the head and come to the dark side (7age or 7agte) >> >
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yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
Well nick I'm gonna come to gark side but still not sure if the side is for 7AFTE or 7AGTE.
If doing 7afte I'd just need few things, instead if doing a 7AGTE I want to build it seriously to reach at least 300WHP so good internals etc, and to do so I'd need a spare blocks, a spare GE head and then all new electronic etc and really I dunno if at this point I would build an entire engine....
Well, we'll see what will happens >>
If doing 7afte I'd just need few things, instead if doing a 7AGTE I want to build it seriously to reach at least 300WHP so good internals etc, and to do so I'd need a spare blocks, a spare GE head and then all new electronic etc and really I dunno if at this point I would build an entire engine....
Well, we'll see what will happens >
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for sake of easiness, I'd just get a thicker head gasket and be done with it.
Jon
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-FallenHero+Jul 6, 2005 - 12:13 PM
yeah and turbo it with a good t3 turbo at about 10 psi thens its a whole different car
QUOTE(FallenHero @ Jul 6, 2005 - 12:13 PM)
for sake of easiness, I'd just get a thicker head gasket and be done with it.
Jon
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yeah and turbo it with a good t3 turbo at about 10 psi thens its a whole different car
yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte