WannabeGT4

#1

Do they both bolt to the crank in the same way?

If I remember correctly the pressure plate is interchangeable for both but I don't know if they mount to the crank in the same way.

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lagos

#2

you need a 3sgte flywheel and 3s pressure plate

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WannabeGT4

#3

So are you saying that the 5S flywheel will not bolt up to the 3S crank?

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lagos

#4

no i dont think it will. the 3s flywheel is larger then the 5s one

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WannabeGT4

#5

Thanks Lagos.

Larger in what sense though? Diameter, thickness, bolt pattern?

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DG_Performance

#6

the flywheel will bolt up! the diameter surface area is a little different where the clutch sits and the 5s flywheel is deffintely heavier!
dg

WannabeGT4

#7

Thanks, that's great news!

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DG_Performance

#8

why would you want to use the 5s wheel though?
it is heavier..... use the 3s one if you got it for less rotating mass.

WannabeGT4

#9

I was hoping this wouldn't come up, but I'll actually be using the flexplate not the fly wheel. I just hope I'm not tormented for the rest of my life as a Celica owner.

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Kwanza26

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-WannabeGT4+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:23 AM

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:23 AM)

I was hoping this wouldn't come up, but I'll actually be using the flexplate not the fly wheel. I just hope I'm not tormented for the rest of my life as a Celica owner.
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The flexplate is for AUTO trannies only... so unless you're gonna be AUTO... you can't use it.

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WannabeGT4

#11

Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Jul 2, 2005 - 10:39 PM

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Kwanza26

#12

-WannabeGT4+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM)

Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up.
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Just so you know... if your idea is to run a 3SGTE with an auto tranny... you're gonna run into a brick wall unless you're clever with ECU's...

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Dr_Tweak

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-WannabeGT4+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM)

Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up.
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Is it true that the 3SGTE never came in auto?

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Kwanza26

#14

-Dr_Tweak+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:57 AM

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:57 AM)

-WannabeGT4+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM)

Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up.
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Is it true that the 3SGTE never came in auto?
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They did... but not in Celicas. They came with tiptronic auto in the later model Caldina GT-4's...

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Dr_Tweak

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-Kwanza26+Jul 3, 2005 - 4:01 AM

QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 4:01 AM)

-Dr_Tweak+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:57 AM

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:57 AM)

-WannabeGT4+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM)

Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up.
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Is it true that the 3SGTE never came in auto?
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They did... but not in Celicas. They came with tiptronic auto in the later model Caldina GT-4's...
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What I should have asked is did they ever come in a FWD (or MR) auto tranny. There weren't any automatic MR2 Turbos either?

-Doc

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Kwanza26

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-Dr_Tweak+Jul 3, 2005 - 4:06 AM

QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 3, 2005 - 4:06 AM)

What I should have asked is did they ever come in a FWD (or MR) auto tranny. There weren't any automatic MR2 Turbos either?

-Doc
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Nope... none that I know of at least. I think the only time the 3SGTE was mounted in an FF (or MR) configuration was in the MR2... and the turbo version were all 5 speed...

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WannabeGT4

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-Kwanza26+Jul 2, 2005 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jul 2, 2005 - 10:56 PM)

-WannabeGT4+Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM)

Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up.
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Just so you know... if your idea is to run a 3SGTE with an auto tranny... you're gonna run into a brick wall unless you're clever with ECU's...
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That's why I made this thread as well:

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26491

I hope to be able to use the stock 5SFE ECU to control the auto tranny while the megasquirt controls the rest. I figure if I can feed the 5SFE ECU just enough information to get it to shift correctly I won't have to be that "clever".

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lagos

#18

i guess some people just like to learn the hard way why an automatic 3s swap is not a good idea.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jul 3, 2005 - 12:53 PM

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WannabeGT4

#19

-lagos+Jul 3, 2005 - 12:52 PM

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 3, 2005 - 12:52 PM)

i guess some people just like to learn the hard way why an automatic 3s swap is not a good idea.
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I didn't ask for your opinion. It's never been done. I'd like to do it. If I don't like it or if it breaks I've got almost all the manual parts to do the swap.

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lagos

#20

it has been done. somone did it in a 5th gen swap. the car ran mid 15s and the auto tranny started to slip because it couldnt hold the power.

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WannabeGT4

#21

-lagos+Jul 3, 2005 - 1:09 PM

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 3, 2005 - 1:09 PM)

it has been done. somone did it in a 5th gen swap. the car ran mid 15s and the auto tranny started to slip because it couldnt hold the power.
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Sorry I wasn't more clear, I was refering to 6th gens. I still want to do it.

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K-ESD

#22

just curious... why go automatic?

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presure2

#23

Sorry I wasn't more clear, I was refering to 6th gens. I still want to do it.

5th or 6th, aint gonna make a diffrence, same tranny.
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WannabeGT4

#24

-K-ESD+Jul 6, 2005 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE(K-ESD @ Jul 6, 2005 - 11:12 AM)

just curious... why go automatic?
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Cause I'm lazy LOL. Honestly, I'll be driving this car everyday and most of the time It'll be city driving. I don't plan on racing I just wanted a little more power and since the 5S isn't too healthy I can't just turbo it. I'll just put in the 3S I have sitting in my garage. Plus it'll be unique to the 6th gens and rare for anything 3S powered.

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SoundSlut_dotcom

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bring the caR* to a good tranny place.. they can probbl hook u up and tune it for u

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WannabeGT4

#26

-SoundSlut_dotcom+Jul 6, 2005 - 3:47 PM

QUOTE(SoundSlut_dotcom @ Jul 6, 2005 - 3:47 PM)

bring the caR* to  a good tranny place.. they can probbl hook u up and tune it for u
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What's the point of having a project car then? >>

I don't know how much they can "tune" a transmission, or what exactly they'd hook me up with. I like to know what is in my car and how exactly it's working and there is no better way than doing all of the work yourself. >>

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SoundSlut_dotcom

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-WannabeGT4+Jul 6, 2005 - 2:56 PM

QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 6, 2005 - 2:56 PM)

-SoundSlut_dotcom+Jul 6, 2005 - 3:47 PM

QUOTE(SoundSlut_dotcom @ Jul 6, 2005 - 3:47 PM)

bring the caR* to  a good tranny place.. they can probbl hook u up and tune it for u
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What's the point of having a project car then? >>

I don't know how much they can "tune" a transmission, or what exactly they'd hook me up with. I like to know what is in my car and how exactly it's working and there is no better way than doing all of the work yourself. >>
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yea work the gears urself to when they should shift and when they shouldnt , instead of getting it done by a professional transmission expert lmao

Kwanza26

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Look here... if you're not looking for performance... there really is NO point in bothering to set-up some crazy AUTO 3SGTE. Also... if you know how to drive a manual... city driving won't even be worth mentioning. There's nothing wrong with not being able to drive a manual. Just say so... and then say you don't want to learn, and then say but you still want a 3SGTE for the whatever peppie reason. Also... you can't really "tune" automatic trannies. That's some of the funniest stuff I've heard. It's not a matter of when or where the tranny shifts, which can be changed, it's a matter of gearing... and that is custom $$$...

If you're worried about city driving and such... an engine swap really isn't for you.

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WannabeGT4

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-Kwanza26+Jul 7, 2005 - 2:11 AM

QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jul 7, 2005 - 2:11 AM)

Look here... if you're not looking for performance... there really is NO point in bothering to set-up some crazy AUTO 3SGTE.  Also... if you know how to drive a manual... city driving won't even be worth mentioning.  There's nothing wrong with not being able to drive a manual.  Just say so... and then say you don't want to learn, and then say but you still want a 3SGTE for the whatever peppie reason.  Also... you can't really "tune" automatic trannies.  That's some of the funniest stuff I've heard.  It's not a matter of when or where the tranny shifts, which can be changed, it's a matter of gearing... and that is custom $$$...

If you're worried about city driving and such... an engine swap really isn't for you.
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I never said I wasn't looking for performance, just that I wasn't planning on racing. I know how to drive a stick just fine but if you really want to know why I want an automatic it's because of my balls. That's right testicles. It's just uncomfortable to try and shift when your balls are constantly being smashed by your thighs.
I don't plan on "tuning" the transmission. All I plan on doing is sending the signals that the 5SFE ECU needs to determine when to shift.

An engine swap is for me since the 5S is dieing and I have a 3S in my garage.

This is exactly what I thought was going to happen. It turned from a simple question into a huge debate. I really don't need anymore opinions about the usefulness of an auto 3SGTE. I have my opinions and everyone else has theirs. That's fine. I do appreciate the input but not the critisism.

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SoundSlut_dotcom

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Also... you can't really "tune" automatic trannies. That's some of the funniest stuff I've heard. It's not a matter of when or where the tranny shifts, which can be changed, it's a matter of gearing... and that is custom $$$...

u just made no sense.