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GT4WRC

#61

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM)

it also need at least a real good turbo and a Power FC ecu to finish it as i want it... >

> i'm planning no less than 400 fwhp... >

>

You'll need a bit more than just a turbo and Power FC to acheive 400bhp @ wheels >

>

Nice looking Four though I'm not keen on the bonnet being a different colour to the rets of the car.
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

behindthesmile

#62

-GT4WRC+Aug 11, 2005 - 2:25 PM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 11, 2005 - 2:25 PM)

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM)

it also need at least a real good turbo and a Power FC ecu to finish it as i want it... >

> i'm planning no less than 400 fwhp... >

>

You'll need a bit more than just a turbo and Power FC to acheive 400bhp @ wheels >

>

Nice looking Four though I'm not keen on the bonnet being a different colour to the rets of the car.
Gary
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thats some sweet looking car... man oh man why did they not sell the 6gc gt4 here in north america >

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I've learned my lesson... the best mod you can have for your car is a good alarm system

GT4_Addicted

#63

-GT4WRC+Aug 11, 2005 - 7:25 PM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 11, 2005 - 7:25 PM)

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM)

it also need at least a real good turbo and a Power FC ecu to finish it as i want it... >

> i'm planning no less than 400 fwhp... >

>

You'll need a bit more than just a turbo and Power FC to acheive 400bhp @ wheels >

>

Nice looking Four though I'm not keen on the bonnet being a different colour to the rets of the car.
Gary
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i'll prove you i don't need so much more... >

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to achieve 400 hp @ the flywheel (what i wrote >

> ) i just need:

1 Power FC
1 TD06 20G or equivalent
4 800cc injectors
1 upgrated fuel pump

that's all i want to change... >

>

Magic

#64

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 11, 2005 - 11:50 PM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 11, 2005 - 11:50 PM)

-GT4WRC+Aug 11, 2005 - 7:25 PM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 11, 2005 - 7:25 PM)

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 11, 2005 - 4:34 AM)

it also need at least a real good turbo and a Power FC ecu to finish it as i want it... >

> i'm planning no less than 400 fwhp... >

>

You'll need a bit more than just a turbo and Power FC to acheive 400bhp @ wheels >

>

Nice looking Four though I'm not keen on the bonnet being a different colour to the rets of the car.
Gary
[right][snapback]323059[/snapback][/right]

i'll prove you i don't need so much more... >

>

to achieve 400 hp @ the flywheel (what i wrote >

> ) i just need:

1 Power FC
1 TD06 20G or equivalent
4 800cc injectors
1 upgrated fuel pump

that's all i want to change... >

>
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You will need also a Front Mount Intercooler cuz TD06 will heat a lot your intakes at High RPMs and also if you are a track guy i am suggesting to you a ball bearing turbo >

>

This post has been edited by Magic: Aug 12, 2005 - 2:59 AM

GT4WRC

#65

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 1:50 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 1:50 AM)

i'll prove you i don't need so much more... >

>

to achieve 400 hp @ the flywheel (what i wrote >

> ) i just need:

1 Power FC
1 TD06 20G or equivalent
4 800cc injectors
1 upgrated fuel pump

that's all i want to change... >

>
[right][snapback]323290[/snapback][/right]

Okay, so I misread your 'fwhp' quote, but you still ain't going to achieve 400 with just that. You'll need cams, properly gas flowed head, forged pistons, ARP head studs, stronger head gasket and , as stated above, a FMIC. WAI is only really good for around 350bhp at the most.
Okay, you can stick on a great big turbo and wind the boost up, but it won't be really driveable. Full boost at 4500rpm or above coming on like a switch isn't much use >

> I suggest you do a bit more research before dreaming about reaching such power outputs.
I'm planning forged pistons, cams, flowed head, Apexi ECU, water injection, etc and realistically expect to see around 350 - 370bhp at the very most.
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

Magic

#66

Gary what Turbine are you planning to install???Pistons are necessary.I think Cams profile its depending on you turbine choice,what do you think??Apexi ECU its a great choice >

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GT4_Addicted

#67

ok i forgot Water Injection... >

>

sorry but i don't agree with you... >

> i've done my research and made some good test... >

>

first thing is to choose a good turbo... which will be used in his optimum range... TD06 is a good choice... or maybe an HKS GT2835R... it won't be too lagy and won't charge with hot air as it'll be used in his optimum range... >

> i'm thinking about 1.4/1.5b @ low RPM and slowly decrease boost until 1.2b @ the redline... the car should be really usable this way on track and staying reliable as long as possible... i'm not a dreamer, i won't do 100.000 kms with this setting... >

> for week end driving 1.2b all the way are more than enough... and i don't use my car every day...

FMIC would be a plus but in my opinion not absolutly needed... i may made one if i see too hot air...

Magic: yes i'd love a ball bearing turbo like the HKS one... but didn't find a good turbo kit using it... >

> or i'd have to make it myself... >

>

i'm really confident... good tuning is the key... >

>

GT4WRC

#68

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 4:15 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 4:15 AM)

ok i forgot Water Injection... >

>

sorry but i don't agree with you... >

> i've done my research and made some good test... >

>

first thing is to choose a good turbo... which will be used in his optimum range... TD06 is a good choice... or maybe an HKS GT2835R... it won't be too lagy and won't charge with hot air as it'll be used in his optimum range... >

> i'm thinking about 1.4/1.5b @ low RPM and slowly decrease boost until 1.2b @ the redline... the car should be really usable this way on track and staying reliable as long as possible... i'm not a dreamer, i won't do 100.000 kms with this setting... >

> for week end driving 1.2b all the way are more than enough... and i don't use my car every day...

FMIC would be a plus but in my opinion not absolutly needed... i may made one if i see too hot air...

Magic: yes i'd love a ball bearing turbo like the HKS one... but didn't find a good turbo kit using it... >

> or i'd have to make it myself... >

>

i'm really confident... good tuning is the key... >

>
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1.2Bar boost won't give you 400bhp. I'm running 16.2 psi and am only just seeing 300bhp @ flywheel. You'll probably need at least 22 - 24psi to see 400 horses with the right mods.
If you can get 400bhp with those minimum mods you mention and just 1.2Bar at the top end, then when I'm in France over xmas, I'll buy you as much alcohol as you can drink in a year!
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

GT4WRC

#69

-Magic+Aug 12, 2005 - 3:43 AM

QUOTE(Magic @ Aug 12, 2005 - 3:43 AM)

Gary what Turbine are you planning to install???Pistons are necessary.I think Cams profile its depending on you turbine choice,what do you think??Apexi ECU its a great choice >

>
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I don't know yet. I'm waiting to catch up with a few local experts before I make my decision. At the end of the day, I'm not worried about making xxxbhp - having 3/4/500bhp is only about bragging rights at the end of the day. I'm more interested in making lots of mid range torque. Bit like the WRC cars. They're limited to 300bhp but have enough torque to pull planets together >

>
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

GT4_Addicted

#70

-GT4WRC+Aug 12, 2005 - 10:47 AM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 12, 2005 - 10:47 AM)

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 4:15 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 4:15 AM)

ok i forgot Water Injection... >

>

sorry but i don't agree with you... >

> i've done my research and made some good test... >

>

first thing is to choose a good turbo... which will be used in his optimum range... TD06 is a good choice... or maybe an HKS GT2835R... it won't be too lagy and won't charge with hot air as it'll be used in his optimum range... >

> i'm thinking about 1.4/1.5b @ low RPM and slowly decrease boost until 1.2b @ the redline... the car should be really usable this way on track and staying reliable as long as possible... i'm not a dreamer, i won't do 100.000 kms with this setting... >

> for week end driving 1.2b all the way are more than enough... and i don't use my car every day...

FMIC would be a plus but in my opinion not absolutly needed... i may made one if i see too hot air...

Magic: yes i'd love a ball bearing turbo like the HKS one... but didn't find a good turbo kit using it... >

> or i'd have to make it myself... >

>

i'm really confident... good tuning is the key... >

>
[right][snapback]323321[/snapback][/right]

1.2Bar boost won't give you 400bhp. ...

i never said that... >

>

Mr_E

#71

-GT4WRC+Aug 12, 2005 - 3:36 AM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 12, 2005 - 3:36 AM)

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 1:50 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 1:50 AM)

i'll prove you i don't need so much more... >

>

to achieve 400 hp @ the flywheel (what i wrote >

> ) i just need:

1 Power FC
1 TD06 20G or equivalent
4 800cc injectors
1 upgrated fuel pump

that's all i want to change... >

>
[right][snapback]323290[/snapback][/right]

Okay, so I misread your 'fwhp' quote, but you still ain't going to achieve 400 with just that. You'll need cams, properly gas flowed head, forged pistons, ARP head studs, stronger head gasket and , as stated above, a FMIC. WAI is only really good for around 350bhp at the most.
Okay, you can stick on a great big turbo and wind the boost up, but it won't be really driveable. Full boost at 4500rpm or above coming on like a switch isn't much use >

> I suggest you do a bit more research before dreaming about reaching such power outputs.
I'm planning forged pistons, cams, flowed head, Apexi ECU, water injection, etc and realistically expect to see around 350 - 370bhp at the very most.
Gary
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Afraid the man is right. 400bhp is not going to be cheap. My spec is a rebuilt engine with forgies, decent tubby (probably a Fensport Garett hybrid), Motec ECU, uprated fuelling, HKS cams and a good FMIC. Not forgetting of course the twin plate clutch and all the other varius ancilleries that come with a car in that state of tune.

Go for it my friend, but go with your eyes wide open.

400bhp on stock internals will not last long at all.

JDM ST205Blitz Spec NUR Exhaust, somewhere over $1000Needing another one 18000 miles later, bloody annoying.

Magic

#72

GT4_Addicted You sound like you want a ball-bearing turbo and also GT4WRC >

> >

> But this is not what its all about,it is how you are going to make it RIGHT >

>

GT4_Addicted You will not find any HKS2835 Turbo kit for our cars but you can make a custom one or else you can make a good search in garages tha modifying ST205 in Japan beacuse many of them they keep one-off kits for many types of turbos.
If you want something on kit i am suggesting you to check apexi they got ISAMU Turbo kit with RX6B (TCW it depends on your needs hahaha) Turbo for 3SGTE engine but for the MR2 >

> , you can go on with some custom parts!!!Lar- its on the way with Apexi Turbo >

> Many Japanese performance garage are using Apexi,they are not so popular like Greddy or HKS but trust me if you check some rates you will find out that they giving big BHP!!!Check out the kit below >

>

http://original-parts.apexera.co.jp/pro_ap...o/isa1jz31.html

GT4WRC I like the way you are thinking beacuse i am also a fan of mid range torque and a good performance line (on the dyno) this is why i told you that you are moving to ball-bearing >

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GT4WRC

#73

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 7:30 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 7:30 AM)

i never said that... >

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You might want to revise how you say things then. You stated you want 400bhp - then you say you want to decrease the boost to 1.2Bar at the red line. How earth do you expect to make 400bhp in the mid range running 1.4/5Bar and then decrease to less than than that at the point where the engine makes the most bhp? Smells like BS to me my friend. I suggest you find out a bit more before you start posting day dreaming ideas >

>
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

GT4WRC

#74

-Magic+Aug 12, 2005 - 8:16 AM

QUOTE(Magic @ Aug 12, 2005 - 8:16 AM)

GT4WRC I like the way you are thinking beacuse i am also a fan of mid range torque and a good performance line (on the dyno) this is why i told you that you are moving to ball-bearing >

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[right][snapback]323347[/snapback][/right]

A non ball bearing turbo has never been an option for me. So not sure where you get the idea that you told me I'm moving to a BB turbo >

>
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

GT4_Addicted

#75

-GT4WRC+Aug 12, 2005 - 7:01 PM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 12, 2005 - 7:01 PM)

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 7:30 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 7:30 AM)

i never said that... >

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[right][snapback]323342[/snapback][/right]

You might want to revise how you say things then. You stated you want 400bhp - then you say you want to decrease the boost to 1.2Bar at the red line. How earth do you expect to make 400bhp in the mid range running 1.4/5Bar and then decrease to less than than that at the point where the engine makes the most bhp? Smells like BS to me my friend. I suggest you find out a bit more before you start posting day dreaming ideas >

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Gary
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calm down man... >

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it's not my fault if you're frustrated... >

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i said i've made some tests... >

> you have your idea... i've got mine... >

>

one of my friend own a 2l STI tuned to 450 hp @ 1.6b ... 99/00 Impreza wrx turbo pushing 400 hps are done here all on stock internals... tuning is the key... >

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my car made 330 hp @1.2b like it is actually... >

> i'm really confident in my car... with a good turbo pushing 1.5b plus the mods i have allready listed it would no doubt pushing 400hp... but what i was saying is on track use i'll be decreasing boost to 1.2b near the redline to keep my engine quit safe but keeping 1.5b @ low rpm should give me enough torque to kick my friend's subaru butt...

just to be sure... when i'm talking of track days i'm not talking of 1/4 miles track... >

>

GT4WRC

#76

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 3:37 PM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 3:37 PM)

my car made 330 hp @1.2b like it is actually... [right][snapback]323494[/snapback][/right]

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 10, 2005 - 3:11 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 10, 2005 - 3:11 AM)

Apexi N1 3" exhaust system, Aussie 3" downpipe+flexi pipe...

TRD air filter, HKS dump valve, Blitz EBC set à 1.2b,
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So you're saying that your 3S-GTE has 330bhp with 17.4psi and the mods you list above? Hmmmm. How about posting up your dyno chart?
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

GT4WRC

#77

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 3:37 PM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 3:37 PM)

just to be sure... when i'm talking of track days i'm not talking of 1/4 miles track... >

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And just to be sure..... you're talking with someone who holds a national motorsport licence and competes in rallies and hillclimbs. Not just the occasional amble around a circuit >

>
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list

Magic

#78

-GT4WRC+Aug 12, 2005 - 12:03 PM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 12, 2005 - 12:03 PM)

-Magic+Aug 12, 2005 - 8:16 AM

QUOTE(Magic @ Aug 12, 2005 - 8:16 AM)

GT4WRC I like the way you are thinking beacuse i am also a fan of mid range torque and a good performance line (on the dyno) this is why i told you that you are moving to ball-bearing >

> >

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[right][snapback]323347[/snapback][/right]

A non ball bearing turbo has never been an option for me. So not sure where you get the idea that you told me I'm moving to a BB turbo >

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Gary
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I just want to say that you sounds like a man who NEEDS a ball-bearing turbo >

> according to your performance needs that you said before,thats it,sorry if i confused you >

>

This post has been edited by Magic: Aug 12, 2005 - 6:28 PM

Cutrara

#79

Nice looking hood. I like your brakes too. How much improvement you get over stock with those?

QUOTE (cjh4l22 @ May 15, 2009 - 4:02 AM)hey, nice mod does it come in hetero?Need parts?I'm parting out a '94 ST

Mr_E

#80

-GT4WRC+Aug 12, 2005 - 4:20 PM

QUOTE(GT4WRC @ Aug 12, 2005 - 4:20 PM)

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 12, 2005 - 3:37 PM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 12, 2005 - 3:37 PM)

my car made 330 hp @1.2b like it is actually... [right][snapback]323494[/snapback][/right]

-GT4_Addicted+Aug 10, 2005 - 3:11 AM

QUOTE(GT4_Addicted @ Aug 10, 2005 - 3:11 AM)

Apexi N1 3" exhaust system, Aussie 3" downpipe+flexi pipe...

TRD air filter, HKS dump valve, Blitz EBC set à 1.2b,
[right][snapback]322569[/snapback][/right]

So you're saying that your 3S-GTE has 330bhp with 17.4psi and the mods you list above? Hmmmm. How about posting up your dyno chart?
Gary
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Possible, but a natch optimistic.

I'd guess 17.4psi is worth 300bhp. Perhaps a little more. But, of course, these are flywheel figures and impossible to measure. So if the dyno operator was optimistic in the transmission loss correction, a number of 330 is possible.

The *only* figures worth a damn from a dyno are at the wheels. That's all they can measure. A flywheel figure is a guess, at best.

JDM ST205Blitz Spec NUR Exhaust, somewhere over $1000Needing another one 18000 miles later, bloody annoying.

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