-97sccelica+May 13, 2004 - 5:34 AM
GT2 vs 3000GT - 6G Celicas Forums
3000GTs are heavy, even the NA ones. The day I took mine to the dyno and it laid down 454.5 RWHP and 461.6 RWTQ, the next car only dynoed like 168.x RWHP and 171.x RWTQ ...and what it was? a 3000GT SL.
Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
-ToYCeLi8+May 5, 2003 - 2:20 PM
bufferdan is right, and thanks for providing some real info >
> Have any others here besides bufferdan ever driven a 3KGT or a Stealth ? I have. For a few years. I had a 93 Stealth ES (n/a) and it would easily take a celica GT. Yes they weigh alot (especially VR-4s with the AWD) and the trannys are crap if they are consistantly pushed too hard.
But, what is the weight difference between a ST, GT, and a GT4 ? It looks like you guys are comparing a lower model 3K to a GT4. Put a GT4 (or GT2) and a VR-4 side by side and have it out. This is something we would all love to see. Whoever beats who would be the final answer.
If anyone wants to post on 3Si.org to set this up I am sure they would be more than willing.
my $.02
> Have any others here besides bufferdan ever driven a 3KGT or a Stealth ? I have. For a few years. I had a 93 Stealth ES (n/a) and it would easily take a celica GT. Yes they weigh alot (especially VR-4s with the AWD) and the trannys are crap if they are consistantly pushed too hard.But, what is the weight difference between a ST, GT, and a GT4 ? It looks like you guys are comparing a lower model 3K to a GT4. Put a GT4 (or GT2) and a VR-4 side by side and have it out. This is something we would all love to see. Whoever beats who would be the final answer.
If anyone wants to post on 3Si.org to set this up I am sure they would be more than willing.
my $.02
my st205 swapandour Beams swap
At first I posted the VR4 would own, but tahts outta power figures. My friend has a 93' and I havent run the 3s Celica with the VR4 but i've been in the VR4 while he boosted it up to like 20lbs. Stock its 300hp and boosted that high its like 350 or something. Its a fast car yes, but his tranny is shot. The ST205 i think would most definately stand a chance and own on cornering and stuff. The VR4 has all wheel steer however, but still its not a rally car.
The VR4 just has more power and 4wd so it launches hard with hardly any tire spin. Its just a different level.
This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 13, 2004 - 12:08 PM
The VR4 just has more power and 4wd so it launches hard with hardly any tire spin. Its just a different level.
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agreed. the 300GT, 300ZXTT, RX7, and SupraTT all fought it out back in the mid 90's for the ultimate import supercar. The celicas just aren't in the hunt.
is it just me, or did anyone else relize this topic is over a year old...
And a CRX can be made to run 9's, so pretty much any tuned car could beat other cars. >
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And a CRX can be made to run 9's, so pretty much any tuned car could beat other cars. >
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-Chrobis+May 13, 2004 - 10:57 AM
-kuya1284+May 13, 2004 - 10:59 AM
what?? did they make a new 3000gt in the last year >
> IT really doesnt matter..what matters is the information is wrong and the thread never actually was finished...thats why i brought it up.
Anyways..a VR-4 doesnt weigh that much more than any of the other cars in its class..what are TT supra's and 300zx's?? 3600lbs?? Whooppy... Somedrivers weigh almost 300lbs right there >>
A VR-4 running 20psi safely is a very modded vr-4...we are talking around 500 hp or more most likely.
OOBE: You cant compare a Forced induction car to a N/A...there are plenty of VR-4's laying down over 400 ALL WHEEL HORSEPOWER.
170hp at the wheels for a N/A is about right..Go dyno a GT celica and see what you get. Not enough to keep with a N/A 3000GT... My g/f knows what i did to her celica GT just up to 50mph >>
I would still rather have a toyota supra over a vr-4 anyday though... supras seem to have better high performance reliability over mitsubishi's.
> IT really doesnt matter..what matters is the information is wrong and the thread never actually was finished...thats why i brought it up. Anyways..a VR-4 doesnt weigh that much more than any of the other cars in its class..what are TT supra's and 300zx's?? 3600lbs?? Whooppy... Somedrivers weigh almost 300lbs right there >
>A VR-4 running 20psi safely is a very modded vr-4...we are talking around 500 hp or more most likely.
OOBE: You cant compare a Forced induction car to a N/A...there are plenty of VR-4's laying down over 400 ALL WHEEL HORSEPOWER.
170hp at the wheels for a N/A is about right..Go dyno a GT celica and see what you get. Not enough to keep with a N/A 3000GT... My g/f knows what i did to her celica GT just up to 50mph >
>I would still rather have a toyota supra over a vr-4 anyday though... supras seem to have better high performance reliability over mitsubishi's.
-Supersprynt+May 13, 2004 - 8:24 AM
how can u call the car a gt2? thats a porsche! celica turbo would be better
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Also OOBE...Your Supra weighs more than a Non-turbo 3000GT.
88 turbo supra manual = 3530
93 N/A 3000GT= Base model =3307 SL=3461
Real heavy huh? Kinda weird how everyone thinks that all 3000GT's are heavy just because the VR-4's are 3800lbs. They may be heavy compared to a celica but they really arent very heavy when it comes to it.
88 turbo supra manual = 3530
93 N/A 3000GT= Base model =3307 SL=3461
Real heavy huh? Kinda weird how everyone thinks that all 3000GT's are heavy just because the VR-4's are 3800lbs. They may be heavy compared to a celica but they really arent very heavy when it comes to it.
no, but they do use electronics to control most of the handling of the car, hence not so pleasurable to drive
GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!spec list:http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10
HUH??? What are the talking about? They have electronic controled suspension (ie Sport and touring modes) just like corvettes. That is a really nice feature and stiffens or softens the suspension depending on what you want. The Vr-4's are All wheel steering which is not electronic but does help cornering. That all they have...
yep cos corvettes handle great dont they......
dont they have eletronically controlled diffs?
This post has been edited by uzthedentist: May 13, 2004 - 3:22 PM
dont they have eletronically controlled diffs?
This post has been edited by uzthedentist: May 13, 2004 - 3:22 PM
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yeap... and 3000GT's are pretty fun to drive also! i have Intrax springs and new kyb-gr2's on mine and it handles awesome! It didnt handle too bad stock either though.
interesting, ive never driven one so apologies, not cussing your car just going on wat ive read and seen, i had a 3000gt try to keep up with me once on a bit of a twisty road section near where i live. he was struggling big time. probably a crap driver then
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no?? Vr-4's have two limited slip differentials..probably what the GT-4 has
-uzthedentist+May 13, 2004 - 8:26 PM
here is some info on the Vr-4 AWD system..
http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd.htm
You know anything about the gt-4 system?
http://www.stealth316.com/2-awd.htm
You know anything about the gt-4 system?
yeah but my 4 has over 300bhp lol.
yeah the 4 has a mechanical rear torsen limited slip diff and superstrut suspension. Im also running bigger strut braces all round and a fat rear anti roll bar to eliminate understeer
yeah the 4 has a mechanical rear torsen limited slip diff and superstrut suspension. Im also running bigger strut braces all round and a fat rear anti roll bar to eliminate understeer
GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!spec list:http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10
the joys of turbo >>
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RE: the VR4 @20lbs, i dont really kno the exact pressure he was pushing it was up there tho. I'll ask either today or not. THe car is stock except for filter and boost controller.
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no more than 14psi
haha. I think its over 14 but who knows. He isnt exactly the best to this car >
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-bufferdan+May 13, 2004 - 12:56 PM
Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
-bufferdan+May 13, 2004 - 1:04 PM
Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
just dropping a 3sgte into the celica isnt going to be 400+hp... a 210hp celica with no traction off the line isnt going to go very far very fast. FWD 3000gt's have the same problem but they do have bigger tires and more weight in the front so the race could be relatively close off the line. Im pretty sure the turbo celica can take the 3000 anyways but you just never know.
ud have 2 spend an extra 6000 to get a stock 3sgte to 400hp. then again if racing sum1 in a straight line gives the best idea on how fast acar is then any car can be made fast, throe in sum cornerd on the other hand....
GT4 ST205 79 modifications and rising!!spec list:http://sox-japoc.co.uk/forum/garage.php?mo..._vehicle&CID=10