Y THE HELL DO ALL U GUYS KEEP SAYING HER THIS HER THAT Y DOESNT THE GUY HAVE A SAY IT TAKES TO NOT JUST HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF U CANT HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF HAVING A KID THEN DONT HAVE SEX OR BE SMART ABOUT IT .... THIS SUBJECT GETS ME GOING NO ONE WILL EVER AGREE ON THIS THATS THE WAY ARE WORLD IS .... SADLY TO SAY

everyone is just stating their opion this is all i have to say i have 22 month old boy once you have a kid then you can state your opoin most of the people on here that are talking are under the age of 20 im not siding either way but it should be a joint answer from both the mother and father of the baby oh and its a life once the sprem enters the egg

This post has been edited by nik: Nov 28, 2005 - 4:08 PM

First, caps lock, take it off.

Second, its the womans body, it is ultimately her choice.

Third, Wannabe, you've already changed the context of this argument and I am not arguing about whether its ok to kill human beings I am saying it is the freedom of choice which is the debate. You dont see PRO DEATH or PRO KILLING do you? You see Pro Choice. I feel very strongly about the way this country is being led and its direction is not towards more freedoms and more choices but less and more restrictions. The bottom line is, you do not have the right to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. A baby is part of its mother part of her body until it is born. Dont get me wrong, I do not think an abortion is right after a certain amount of time, however within a time limit I think a mother has the ultimate decision whether or not to keep it.

On the other hand, someone said oh the father has no right to the decision? Well if he DOESNT want it, ands he DOES, whose decision is it ultimately? Hers! So dont bring that up ever again, its null and void.

Super, the point I was making is that there should be no choice except under extreme circumstances.

Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death / Killing. The choice is wether or not to kill a baby.

Her choice should have been made at the same time she had sex.

It's not part of her body. It's in her body.

Saying that it's ok to kill the baby because it's part of her body is like saying my siamese twin is part of my body so I think I'm going to kill him because it'd be easier for me to live.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Nov 28, 2005 - 5:00 PM

luckily I don't believe people have souls and the experiences in life are what make them so if a fetus is aborted its nothing to celebrate about but I'd rather that than a unloved or uncared for child (this world has enough of those)

~ABORTION IS AN ABORTION EITHER WAY U WANNA BELIEVE ITS RIGHT OR WRONG ~ I WAS JUST STATING MY OWN OPION THATS ALLLLL ~ AND U WONT UNDERSTAND UNTIL U HAVE A KID~

I agree with Super! You cant tell someone what they can or cant do with their body...

except for cases such as someone with Cerebal Palsby or something of that sorts!

anyways as a girl i want the choice to be there so if i was raped i could have an abortion...if i went around having sex with no condom and no bc and got pregnant then yeah i most likely would keep the baby cuz im most likely having sex with someone I love and if they dont wanna be a part of that babies life then TO HELL WITH THEM and i wont try get any money from them cuz they dont wanna be there so why try make them attached to the child in any way

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mmmmk, Hi caps lock. I don’t think anyone is debating what and abortion is… we all know an abortion is an abortion… so I really don’t know why you keep saying that.
Second, everyone says HER because the woman is the one who has to go through 9months of carrying a child; they have to deal with changes in their bodies, and labor and all that. Someone correct me if I’m wrong here but I’m pretty sure that’s the gist of that.

Ok so the topic is moving in too many directions here. This is a question of if someone has the freedom to choose, not if it is right or wrong. That is your opinion. I have mixed feelings on the issue concerning if it is right or not, but I do think that you should have the right to choose what you want to do with your life; it doesn’t mean I condone it. I also think with the right information, availability of birth control, condoms, promoting safe sex, and the morning after pill, there won’t be a high demand for abortions. And I think that’s all I have to say right now.

Um, wow. This is a very touchy subject, and I don't think anybody is ever going to agree on the issue.
As a pharmacist, I see many people come in for the morning after pill. Recently, one customer stated that she had an abortion two weeks ago, and wanted the morning after pill now.
The issue is very sensitive, and I think should be dealt with on a case by case basis. If people are being irresponsible and having unprotected sex, then do you think they are going to be responsible as parents? No, of course they aren't. Is this fair on a child?
I personally don't think it is fair on the baby to be bought into the world as a mistake, when the parents will resent the baby. Rape cases are the perfect example. If the parents think they can cope with a baby, then yes, by all means, abortion is wrong.
Everybody is already offended by what has been said on this post, and will probably be offended by what I have just said. But just remeber, everybody is entitled to an opinion. Your opinion is yours and yours alone.

This is just one of thoes things the general public has no right to control, nor the goverment, eveyone should have the choice to keep or not keep a baby regardless of the situation it was created in and regardless of how rich or poor they are, and we all need to respect the choice people make regardless of how we feel about it. Obviouly thoes who take advantage of abortions need to be edgucaded in the risks of taking sex to lightly, and the risks of haveing repeited abortions, and or multiple sex partners.

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Thats right your saying there should be no choice, in America your saying there should be no choice.

Pro Choice doesnt mean pro-death or pro killing. Why do I know this? Because I rather not see babies killed but at conception its not a baby, its a fertilized egg and I'm pro choice. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this comment, its quite ignorant. I dont have a problem with you, this is the internet and you cant tell my context but only the words you & write. Pro choice is not pro killing, KNOW that.

What if the condom broke? What if her birth control didnt work? Its not 100%, she made the choice to have sex, not to have a baby.

And no, not until a certain point (where abortion should be a def. no no & already is) the baby cannot survive w/o the mother and is attached to the mother via the uterus.

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I think his statement is quite rational and informed myself. What about abortion right before delivery? Are you saying that is not pro-killing? The fact is that at some point during the pregnancy, the baby is able to live outside the womb without the mother. The fact that women can abort after that point is shameful in my opinion because the woman is choosing to kill the baby (or terminate the pregnancy for you people that like to mince words) instead of going through the discomfort of child birth. For the time period before that, its a more difficult question IMO.

As for this "freedom" argument, I think people can take it too far. Society sets up all kinds of laws that each take away freedom but which are beneficial. For example: Its against the law to run a red light. Does that take away freedom? Sure. But, it also makes perfect sense and nobody would suggest it is "bad" merely because people are not free to do so. The same can be said for murder. Sure, the murderer has his "freedom" to kill taken away but most of us agree that the losing this freedom is a good thing. This brings us to abortion. For those that believe that life begins sometime prior to birth, a law to protect that innocent life is justified and the liberty interest in getting rid of the baby hardly worth protecting.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Nov 28, 2005 - 11:29 PM

i thought about this, sorta

i think an abortion is wrong period, but in some small cases it could b acceptable i.e. rape. but if a person is just going to use abortion just because they dont want a baby now then that is wrong. if you are going to have sex you should know of the consequences. if you make the choice to have sex, then u need to accept the fact that a kid might come of it, no matter how careful you are. you need to be able to accept the fact that you might get pregnant/ get someone else pregnant and that if you do abortion should not be the "easy way out"

an abortion is only justifiable if having the baby endangers the girls life liek if she is way too young to give birth, or if you were raped and you absolutely can not have a child.

an abortion is wrong if having sex was your decision. because ultimately the child was your decision too

Super,
My opinion is that a fertalized egg is a life. Therefore killing that embryo is taking a life. So, too me, Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death. The fact that I think it's a life means that it's no different than killing a full grown human.

Why are people so afraid of responsibility? Everyone knows that birth control is not 100% guaranteed. That's a chance that she takes and she should be prepared to deal with the consequences. Baby killing should not be an option. Again this is just my opinion and I'm sure you won't agree.

It's obvious that we have different views of when a life begins and I don't think anything is going to change that.

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Yep. at what point is it a life, and no longer a chemical reaction.

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You forgot to quote me where I say until a certain time the fetus cant live outside the body, and that I agree theres a definate point where abortion just isnt an option.

And when can you call it life when is it a baby, thats never going to be settled, thats never going to be agreed upon, this argument, will never be agreed upon. IMO theres a definite point where abortion cannot be an option, but there is a point where it is. Even if there are severe restrictions on this I'm fine with it. But definately restrictions. All the rest of that argument comes down to when is it life when is it a real baby and not just a fetus that cant be outside the mother yet.

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this is what its all about, this determines whether an abortion is murder or just getting rid of a pile of splitting cells. i personally believe that it is a human being at the moment of conception, that might be my 12 years of catholic school or the fact that it is the logical thing to believe.

This post has been edited by dlx742: Nov 29, 2005 - 12:07 AM

religion & logic dont go together.

The moment of conception its basically 2 cells...thats not human being.

^ true, I think untill its hard beats and its brain is running its just a pile of cells at work. like the ingrediants to a cake, toss em all in a bowl and you got a pile of crap in a bowl, its not a cake till you mix it up and shove it in the oven.

I am totally against abortion. However, I do belive every body has a choice, thats what makes us human. I also belive that life starts at conception. However you look at it, you cannot really say any thing about it untill your put in to that situation. Thats how life is.

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I do belive that the moment of conception is where life starts. It might not be the first breath, or heart beat. but it is in the process of becoming human. It is still ending a life.

This post has been edited by Ethnykceli: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:36 AM

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

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That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

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Actually we have all moved away from the original question.

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OK I GUESS U KNOW EVERYTHING SOOO NO ONE REPLY SHE KNOWS IT ALL SHE WINS PLUS NO ONE WILL EVER AGREEE ON THIS SOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

This post has been edited by lil_rico: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:41 PM

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Your ignorance amuses me. I never said I was right, and I do agree that no one will agree on this topic, but your previous statement about “your final opinion” doesn’t really make sense because that is not what the dispute is about. I was merely pointing that out to you, and there is no need for the caps lock, it’s quite aggravating.

thats the best thing i've heard yet just close the topic

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~EVERYONE IS MAKING THERE OWN OPION ON THIS SOOO I WAS JUST STATING MINE YEAH NO ONE WILL AGREEE ON THIS AND IF U DONT LIKE WHAT I WROTE GET OVER IT I THNK ITS FUNNY THIS WHOLE CAPS THING BOTHERS ALOT OF PPL IM NOT SURE Y BUT OH WELL ... AND DONT REPLY BACK TO THIS CUZ ITS NOT WORTH MY TIME THIS SUBJECT IS PRETTY MUCH OTHER WITH

This post has been edited by lil_rico: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:50 PM

i really wanna leave this open..so you guys can debate your little hearts out...
but, if you cant control yourselfs...it WILL be closed.

can a mod lock this