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I blew the doors off of some grand national or something like that last night. It was for fun and from a roll on at about 10-15 mph. i took him by at least 6-8 cars in a matter of 10 seconds. My buddy Jack saw that whole thing from following us in his car and said he could not hear after it was over. We raced in a tunel and it was loud from what i was told....HAHA. Just some late night fun.
Oh, yeah it was in the MR2, I did not have the celica out this year yet.
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what kinda mods are on the mr2.... some pics of it maybe? biggrin.gif
not many really! JDM 3SGTE, stock motor, Air filter, Greddy Side mount ic, 2.5" piping, DG 3" Race Exhaust and a boost controller set to 14psi.
thats all,
the other car was a monte carlo i remember now. the guy said it had a 305 v8 motor and some exhaust?
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id put up some pics but got no web space to play with till the dg performance web page is done.

This post has been edited by DG_Performance: Mar 11, 2006 - 2:58 PM
Nice. Im guessing it was the red MR2 in your profile?
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the 305 is like the 7afe of v8's tongue.gif

No it's not. The 305 car be a great motor. I like them. They're smaller than the classic 350, but everything is almost idintical to it. Most parts are interchangable with them. I would have been really impressed if you beat a Grand National, those are always fast. The Monte Carloes car be really fast, but not so much in stock form. There really isn't a Toyota motor you can compare the 305 too. The closest thing I can compare it to is the 302 Ford, or the 304 AMC. All those motors have huge potential. I've heard that the 305 are better reving motors than the 350s, but I'm not sure if that's true. It doesn't really make sence to me.

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nice job dave. that mr2 must be fun. maybe youll take me for a ride in it one day.

take some pics and videos of it and post them up . you can host your pics for free at www.celicatech.com .

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ya, i was driving behind dave and the montie, wow, dave owned him..and that exhaust is sooo loud man, i love it...Art, daves mr2 is truly sick nasty u gotta ride in it

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Sweet.

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If it was a Monte, it was probably a carbed 305 (rated at something around 165 HP flywheel) and no contest for the MR2. The Monte's weren't anything to scream about, but once you drop a 406 Mouse motor in there, look out. If you beat a GN, good on ya. Those are like the american version of the Supra. TONS of potential.

Wanna race a V8 for pinks??? I got one for ya.......... biggrin.gif Just funnin' man.
post some pics of it dave... you alwasy seem to keep quiet about your cars and your mods. id like to see more of what youve done.

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Wasn't there a video back in the day with a Grand National dyno? And it was some outrageous amount of hp?

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Hey DG how does the Celica compare to the MR2?

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Grand Nationals are pretty fast, They kinda look like a monte carlo at a glance and when i posted the first post i could not remember what the heck the car i raced was so i just posted grand national?

I think my celica is actually a little faster than my mr2, but it cant get its lazy but out of the hole fast enough smile.gif. my mr2 is the way to go if you want to race from a dead stop...if you want roll on from 10-15 i would actually wanted my celi cause if feels like it got more top end for some reason??? The spool up is super fast in the celi compared to the mr2 (dont ask me why cause i would have thought the mr2 should spool faster with shorted exhaust and shorter ic piping) so anyway the celi cant do much but spin the wheels in first gear while the mr takes a quick jump and is gone with minimal wheel spin.
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This post has been edited by DG_Performance: Mar 12, 2006 - 12:37 PM
i would think the mr2 would be the faster car. back when i had my 5sfe, my buddy had an NA mr2. everytime we raced, he alwasy handed my ass to me. i would think that an mr2 with a jdm swap vs a celica with a jdm swap would give you the same results.

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i would think the mr2 would be the faster car. back when i had my 5sfe, my buddy had an NA mr2. everytime we raced, he alwasy handed my ass to me. i would think that an mr2 with a jdm swap vs a celica with a jdm swap would give you the same results.


ive rode in both cars and from my personally experience the mr2 feels fast because your gettin more power to the ground, rwd w/lsd> then fwd no lsd, but i do also believe the celica would catch up and pass the mr2 if you ran them both

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like i said... the mr2 gets off the line way better!
but for some crazy reason, i dont know why... my celi spools up way harder and pulls harder for a longer rpm range.
maybe different gearing in the transmissions is a factor?
the mr2 is my pic for the track and my celi is my fav for roll on challanges on the road.
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the 305 is like the 7afe of v8's tongue.gif

No it's not. The 305 car be a great motor. I like them. They're smaller than the classic 350, but everything is almost idintical to it. Most parts are interchangable with them. I would have been really impressed if you beat a Grand National, those are always fast. The Monte Carloes car be really fast, but not so much in stock form. There really isn't a Toyota motor you can compare the 305 too. The closest thing I can compare it to is the 302 Ford, or the 304 AMC. All those motors have huge potential. I've heard that the 305 are better reving motors than the 350s, but I'm not sure if that's true. It doesn't really make sence to me.



Are you kidding? The 305 is absolute garbage; my friend loves Chevy, has an 88 Camaro with a 305, and he'll be the first to admit it. I can take his car in a straight line with my barely modded GT. As for "better revving," the 305 redlines at 5k and is geared super-tall. Of course it doesn't need to rev a lot to generate its massive amounts of torque, but it's still a cruiser motor and not built for straight line speed at all.

And Ford's 302 is in a whole other league; probably the best tuner engine in the world. Saying it's like the 305 is like saying the 7A-FE is like the 2JZ-GTE.
yahh I dont think that was a gnx. Theres 3 of them here In pittsburgh I know all the owners. THose things are just nasty fast. The turbo spool on that car is unreal. I think the stock 1/4 times is in the high 12s The first year they were produced they were beating corvettes.

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^^The gearing of the car has nothing to do with the motor. My buddy has a 88 Comaro with the 5 liter 305, and it's a good motor. They are very diverse motors. You can't compare them to anything for that reason. Maybe your friends particular 305 is junk, but they all aren't. I was comparing it to the 302, and I still am, because those motors came in a ton of things. Trucks, sports, and sedans. Same as the 305 came in all three of those too. The Chevy 307 is junk. Are you sure your not thinking of it? I don't think they ever put it in a Comaro though. With the Toyota motors, all you have to do is see a couple and you know what kind of motor they are. The those 5 liter Domestics, they just have to be of a variety to make judgement unless you've really seen that particular motor in what ever car upclose.

EDIT: This post was in response to creamed corn's post. I took too long typing it.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Mar 12, 2006 - 10:25 PM

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the 305 is like the 7afe of v8's tongue.gif

No it's not. The 305 car be a great motor. I like them. They're smaller than the classic 350, but everything is almost idintical to it. Most parts are interchangable with them. I would have been really impressed if you beat a Grand National, those are always fast. The Monte Carloes car be really fast, but not so much in stock form. There really isn't a Toyota motor you can compare the 305 too. The closest thing I can compare it to is the 302 Ford, or the 304 AMC. All those motors have huge potential. I've heard that the 305 are better reving motors than the 350s, but I'm not sure if that's true. It doesn't really make sence to me.



Are you kidding? The 305 is absolute garbage; my friend loves Chevy, has an 88 Camaro with a 305, and he'll be the first to admit it. I can take his car in a straight line with my barely modded GT. As for "better revving," the 305 redlines at 5k and is geared super-tall. Of course it doesn't need to rev a lot to generate its massive amounts of torque, but it's still a cruiser motor and not built for straight line speed at all.

And Ford's 302 is in a whole other league; probably the best tuner engine in the world. Saying it's like the 305 is like saying the 7A-FE is like the 2JZ-GTE.


I wouldn't call the 305 absolute garbage. Your friends Camaro must not have the TPI 305 because that would walk a GT (modded or not) hard in a straight line. 100% fact. If it was a TBI or worse carb'd 305, different story. I've seen plenty of TPI 305's running low 13's high 12's without a ton of cash put into them.

I beg to differ about the 302 being the best tuner engine in the world. It used to be, but the new king is the LSx based series (Gen III and IV) GM OHV Pushrod V8. Period.
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^^The gearing of the car has nothing to do with the motor. My buddy has a 88 Comaro with the 5 liter 305, and it's a good motor. They are very diverse motors. You can't compare them to anything for that reason. Maybe your friends particular 305 is junk, but they all aren't. I was comparing it to the 302, and I still am, because those motors came in a ton of things. Trucks, sports, and sedans. Same as the 305 came in all three of those too. The Chevy 307 is junk. Are you sure your not thinking of it? I don't think they ever put it in a Comaro though. With the Toyota motors, all you have to do is see a couple and you know what kind of motor they are. The those 5 liter Domestics, they just have to be of a variety to make judgement unless you've really seen that particular motor in what ever car upclose.

EDIT: This post was in response to creamed corn's post. I took too long typing it.


No, trust me, the 305 is a very insubstantial motor that's not good for modification, and was never matted to any sort of transmission that effectively utilized the little power it did make. I'm not talking about reliability, market use, or driveability here (although the 305 is a decent cruiser motor), it's just straight up not a tuner motor, and in that sense, the 302 is light years ahead of it. For fun, check out some timeslips for 305 Camaros.... they're running times similar to our Celicas.
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the 305 is like the 7afe of v8's tongue.gif

No it's not. The 305 car be a great motor. I like them. They're smaller than the classic 350, but everything is almost idintical to it. Most parts are interchangable with them. I would have been really impressed if you beat a Grand National, those are always fast. The Monte Carloes car be really fast, but not so much in stock form. There really isn't a Toyota motor you can compare the 305 too. The closest thing I can compare it to is the 302 Ford, or the 304 AMC. All those motors have huge potential. I've heard that the 305 are better reving motors than the 350s, but I'm not sure if that's true. It doesn't really make sence to me.



Are you kidding? The 305 is absolute garbage; my friend loves Chevy, has an 88 Camaro with a 305, and he'll be the first to admit it. I can take his car in a straight line with my barely modded GT. As for "better revving," the 305 redlines at 5k and is geared super-tall. Of course it doesn't need to rev a lot to generate its massive amounts of torque, but it's still a cruiser motor and not built for straight line speed at all.

And Ford's 302 is in a whole other league; probably the best tuner engine in the world. Saying it's like the 305 is like saying the 7A-FE is like the 2JZ-GTE.


I wouldn't call the 305 absolute garbage. Your friends Camaro must not have the TPI 305 because that would walk a GT (modded or not) hard in a straight line. 100% fact. If it was a TBI or worse carb'd 305, different story. I've seen plenty of TPI 305's running low 13's high 12's without a ton of cash put into them.

I beg to differ about the 302 being the best tuner engine in the world. It used to be, but the new king is the LSx based series (Gen III and IV) GM OHV Pushrod V8. Period.


The Camaro didn't switch to TPI 305's until 1990 and didn't completely do away with TBI until 1991. Then a year later they were gone. Too little too late.

And I definitely agree that LT1's and LS1's are great tuner engines, but you can still crack open a 302 and make it ungodly fast for-ass cheap. There are engines and parts laying around everywhere. For the dollar, you're still going to see the best gains from that motor.
Grand Nationals were like turboed charge V8's, I think they could do 0-60 in like 5ish seconds. I am not sure though, thats what I've heard. But thats cool, beating any V8 with a 4 cylinder is awesome. I would've been crazy impressed if you did beat a grand national though......that would've been cool.

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Grand Nationals were like turboed charge V8's, I think they could do 0-60 in like 5ish seconds. I am not sure though, thats what I've heard. But thats cool, beating any V8 with a 4 cylinder is awesome. I would've been crazy impressed if you did beat a grand national though......that would've been cool.


Grand Nationals were V6s I'm pretty sure. That's one reason they didn't catch on with domestic guys. But yeah they were very fast.
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^^The gearing of the car has nothing to do with the motor. My buddy has a 88 Comaro with the 5 liter 305, and it's a good motor. They are very diverse motors. You can't compare them to anything for that reason. Maybe your friends particular 305 is junk, but they all aren't. I was comparing it to the 302, and I still am, because those motors came in a ton of things. Trucks, sports, and sedans. Same as the 305 came in all three of those too. The Chevy 307 is junk. Are you sure your not thinking of it? I don't think they ever put it in a Comaro though. With the Toyota motors, all you have to do is see a couple and you know what kind of motor they are. The those 5 liter Domestics, they just have to be of a variety to make judgement unless you've really seen that particular motor in what ever car upclose.

EDIT: This post was in response to creamed corn's post. I took too long typing it.


No, trust me, the 305 is a very insubstantial motor that's not good for modification, and was never matted to any sort of transmission that effectively utilized the little power it did make. I'm not talking about reliability, market use, or driveability here (although the 305 is a decent cruiser motor), it's just straight up not a tuner motor, and in that sense, the 302 is light years ahead of it. For fun, check out some timeslips for 305 Camaros.... they're running times similar to our Celicas.

I have a buddy who hooked a 6 speed from a late moddle Comaro onto his 305 in his 85 Comaro. And that thing really gets down that road. They make a ton of parts for the 350s, everyone knows that. And almost everything made for the 350's will fit onto the 305's. That makes them great motors for tuning.

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Grand Nationals were like turboed charge V8's, I think they could do 0-60 in like 5ish seconds. I am not sure though, thats what I've heard. But thats cool, beating any V8 with a 4 cylinder is awesome. I would've been crazy impressed if you did beat a grand national though......that would've been cool.

Grand National is a V6 turbo. They were 3.8 liters, if I'm not mistaken. I don't think they every hit the 5 seconds in the 0-60, but they were still very fast. Really rare now.

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Ok, this was supposed to be a funny post about some goof thinking just cause he had a v8 he was going to kick my 4 cyl a$$.
It now turned into a big debate.
My point, don't judge a book by its cover!
Some ignorant guy got owned cause he knew nothing about a MR2 and it was fun to prove a point the way i did it!
DG
^^ Yes, my car looks like something you'd find in a swamp and simply because some dude in a 350z thought it'd be funny to try and mock me did I have to hand him an ass-shot of my car. He wasnt so gracious in defeat.

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