On my way to the airport a few weeks ago, I had the chance to race a corvette, it looked like it was from the 80's, one of the ones without the pretty lines. We pulled up to a stoplight, and since she had been driving like a maniac before, I thought it might be fun to race, and get beaten, by her.

When the light changed, I floored the thing, dumped the clutch, and took off. I was sure she would beat me, I've just got a stock GT. Somehow, I was able to keep ahead of her. What is up with this? Don't those things have massive engines?

Anyways, the highway we were on stays clear, and it was early morning, so there was no traffic. The GT's top out at about 125mph or so (at least mine), so she was finally able to pass me once I hit my top speed. Shouldn't she have beaten me long before that though? She was trying too, I could tell, but I know my car ain't that fast. Anyways. Just kinda rambling. This ain't supposed to happen tho, is it?

Maybe hers was automatic. Just a guess.

Those 1980's Vettes i think have a lil over 200 horsepower for most of them. I saw something about the history of them and they ate it when emissions got real tight in the 1980's. GM didn't do anything to keep up performance and still meet regulations so the power just got cut down. Barbie cars...

sorry to tell you but the vettes in the 80's were slow as ****... If you want to race a vette go after 67-69 stingrays, or 1997-up c5's and Z06's

--Phr0z3n664+Jun 2, 2003 - 5:31 PM

QUOTE (Phr0z3n664 @ Jun 2, 2003 - 5:31 PM)

sorry to tell you but the vettes in the 80's were slow as ****... If you want to race a vette go after 67-69 stingrays, or 1997-up c5's and Z06's

well, it was good for the ego temporarily. At least I can say I beat a vette.

i was beaten by a vette


well her name was evette >>

Automatic isn't going to make THAT HUGE of a difference on the drag stip if you're racing a newer vette.

that wasnt on the drag strip

it was the highway

and honestly i could give a FOOK less about a drag strip. i mean damn like its that hard. i would say the hardest thing about drag racing is getting out of the box perfectly.

This post has been edited by GT2GT4: Jun 2, 2003 - 10:50 PM

Well, I wasn't aware that you considered the drag stip, and a highway with a light so different.

Ok, the most annoying thing around is when people say a car is slow because of it being automatic.

1) An automatic car can redline the gears (by going through them manually), whats the difference?
2) The top 3 fastest street legal cars are all Turbocharged 7-8 second automatics.
3) I prefer automatic over stick because you don't have to worry about ****ing a clutch or any part of the transmission as much.

the 80s vettes are sh!t, too much emissions crap and no muscle to compinsate.

oh and jason, thats bullsh!t cuz the top 3 street legals are not sold in ATs. enzo, murecialigo (cant spell it), and that bugatti. and all are 6 speed MTs.

oh and also ask anyone who redlines their gears "manually" and ask how trashed their transmission gets. and ya you should worry about your transmission if you "manually" shift an AT. clutchs are much easier and much cheaper to replace than your entire AT transmission >>

at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower. its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all. there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green.

but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages. plus its more fun! >>

--97sccelica+Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM)

at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower. its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all. there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green. but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages. plus its more fun! >>

yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point.

--K2_Celica+Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM

QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM)

--97sccelica+Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM) at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower.  its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all.  there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green. but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages.  plus its more fun! >> yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point.

From a complete stop an AT will tear up any stickshift car from 1-2-maybe 3rd gear. From a roll it doesn't actually make the car 1/2 slower, if going about 20mph..drop to 2 and go up to D and feel your car pull very hard.

--No0bOne+Jun 2, 2003 - 11:34 PM

QUOTE (No0bOne @ Jun 2, 2003 - 11:34 PM)

--K2_Celica+Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM) --97sccelica+Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM) at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower.  its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all.  there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green. but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages.  plus its more fun! >> yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point. From a complete stop an AT will tear up any stickshift car from 1-2-maybe 3rd gear. From a roll it doesn't actually make the car 1/2 slower, if going about 20mph..drop to 2 and go up to D and feel your car pull very hard.

bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag.

and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy.

--K2_Celica+Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM

QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM)

yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point.

Who said none of us here drive TT's >>

-Nate

Oh yea screw auto and manual.....all about Sequential WOOT* LOL

-Nate >>

QUOTE

bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag. and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy.

yea, i agree with that, unless the auto tranny is built to be shifted on command. but the lag isnt that bad, a shift kit and performance torque converter will get rid of any lag in an auto tranny(well, most of it anyway, the tranny still isnt directly connected to the engine)

--97sccelica+Jun 3, 2003 - 12:42 AM

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 3, 2003 - 12:42 AM)

QUOTE bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag. and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy. yea, i agree with that, unless the auto tranny is built to be shifted on command. but the lag isnt that bad, a shift kit and performance torque converter will get rid of any lag in an auto tranny(well, most of it anyway, the tranny still isnt directly connected to the engine)

yes but for every dollar some1 spends on putting money into an AT like that, you can buy A/M slave cylinders and street/racing clutchs for the MT, it all evens out, with the MT ahead untill you get into boosting and turbo spool.

which even then, its possable to keep a turbo spooled with a MT, just slam shift, dont take your foot off the gas, it holds the boost up, but i wouldnt recommend it b/c you do countless damage to the trans, axles, clutch and everything inbetween

--K2_Celica+Jun 2, 2003 - 10:44 PM

QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 10:44 PM)

--97sccelica+Jun 3, 2003 - 12:42 AM QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 3, 2003 - 12:42 AM) QUOTE bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag. and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy. yea, i agree with that, unless the auto tranny is built to be shifted on command. but the lag isnt that bad, a shift kit and performance torque converter will get rid of any lag in an auto tranny(well, most of it anyway, the tranny still isnt directly connected to the engine) yes but for every dollar some1 spends on putting money into an AT like that, you can buy A/M slave cylinders and street/racing clutchs for the MT, it all evens out, with the MT ahead untill you get into boosting and turbo spool. which even then, its possable to keep a turbo spooled with a MT, just slam shift, dont take your foot off the gas, it holds the boost up, but i wouldnt recommend it b/c you do countless damage to the trans, axles, clutch and everything inbetween

kinda like dropping an auto tranny into 2, lol

--97sccelica+Jun 3, 2003 - 12:53 AM

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 3, 2003 - 12:53 AM)

--K2_Celica+Jun 2, 2003 - 10:44 PM QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 10:44 PM) --97sccelica+Jun 3, 2003 - 12:42 AM QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 3, 2003 - 12:42 AM) QUOTE bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag. and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy. yea, i agree with that, unless the auto tranny is built to be shifted on command. but the lag isnt that bad, a shift kit and performance torque converter will get rid of any lag in an auto tranny(well, most of it anyway, the tranny still isnt directly connected to the engine) yes but for every dollar some1 spends on putting money into an AT like that, you can buy A/M slave cylinders and street/racing clutchs for the MT, it all evens out, with the MT ahead untill you get into boosting and turbo spool. which even then, its possable to keep a turbo spooled with a MT, just slam shift, dont take your foot off the gas, it holds the boost up, but i wouldnt recommend it b/c you do countless damage to the trans, axles, clutch and everything inbetween kinda like dropping an auto tranny into 2, lol

hahaha very similar, only more parts to get Fed over. (i think this is becoming one of the longest quoting a quote posts ever >> )

I have a GT AT and when I floor it, it is very quick in the shifting department. Once it Redlines BAM!! it shifts. Also... to downshift witha push of a button can't be beat. I love it and so far, no manual has been able to use that advantage against me, not yet anyway.

Well, it seems you totally overshot my complete point. First off, it wasn't the drag-strip, as stated before. Secondly, it wasn't even a 90's model Corvette, as stated before. Thirdly, I didn't say jack about turbos. However, my point is that most manuals will shift faster, not to mention his vehicle is newer and (let's just say it) most likely more technologically advanced.

--Inferno+Jun 3, 2003 - 2:52 PM

QUOTE (Inferno @ Jun 3, 2003 - 2:52 PM)

Well, it seems you totally overshot my complete point. First off, it wasn't the drag-strip, as stated before. Secondly, it wasn't even a 90's model Corvette, as stated before. Thirdly, I didn't say jack about turbos. However, my point is that most manuals will shift faster, not to mention his vehicle is newer and (let's just say it) most likely more technologically advanced.

your only point was "maybe hers was an auto" if you dont want to have someone take it the wrong way you should probably elaborate more. and besides it turned into a good way for people to learn some things about auto VS manual transmissions, obviously some people need to learn some more still.

QUOTE

oh and jason, thats bullsh!t cuz the top 3 street legals are not sold in ATs. enzo, murecialigo (cant spell it), and that bugatti. and all are 6 speed MTs

Ok. The fastest street legal car as of now is a 7.1 second Supra. That specific Supra is an Automatic. The second fastest street legal car is a 7.21 second Nissan Skyline, it is a swapped Automatic. The 3rd fastest street legal car is a 7.211 996 Porcshe Turbo which is also a swapped Automatic.

TYVM.. gg.

This post has been edited by Jason: Jun 3, 2003 - 10:11 PM

--Jason+Jun 3, 2003 - 9:25 PM

QUOTE (Jason @ Jun 3, 2003 - 9:25 PM)

QUOTE oh and jason, thats bullsh!t cuz the top 3 street legals are not sold in ATs. enzo, murecialigo (cant spell it), and that bugatti. and all are 6 speed MTs Ok. The fastest street legal car as of now is a 7.1 second Supra. That specific Supra is an Automatic. The second fastest street legal car is a 7.21 second Nissan Skyline, it is a swapped Automatic. The 3rd fastest street legal car is a 7.211 996 Porcshe Turbo which is also a swapped Automatic. TYVM.. gg.

can we see the article(s) you got that from? its not that im doubting you, i do know the fastest cars all do eventually need to be converted to autos... i would just really like to read the article. and also as i stated before each one is twin turboed.

my apologies about the street legal thing originally i thought you said stock street legals, but then i read 7 seconds and that that isnt right... my bad, but that still doesnt prove your point.

OOOK.

On an automatic transmission (which I have) a neutral drop is pure stupid! Just power brake it a little (2500k) and you're good.

My first car was a 1986 corvette. It had about 225hp and 330 Ft-lbs of torque. Now, when I wanted to play, I could burn the tires for about 16-20 feet... no kidding. Once I was honestly going 45mph and Floored it and the rear end cut loose and I was all over the road. Point is, after 1984, the vette would run high 13's to low 14's. You see, it cost almost 30000 new, so it had to have power. The engine that bashed the vett's name was the 'crossfire' from 78-84,, or was the 8 a L-70 something... Pont is the L-88 was a great engine which was the mainstay of GM until the LT-1 came out. If you beat that car, it had some serious problems.

Jon

The article is in the last October Issue of "Turbo & High-Tech Performance".

--Jason+Jun 4, 2003 - 7:30 AM

QUOTE (Jason @ Jun 4, 2003 - 7:30 AM)

The article is in the last October Issue of "Turbo & High-Tech Performance".

cool thanks

This might help......

1984
FACTORY BASE PRICE- $23,360
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 51,547
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3088
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9 to 1
Horsepower- 205
Torque lbs-ft- 290
Fuel Injection- Crossfire
TRANSMISSION- 4+3 speed manual standard. 4 speed automatic
available at no cost.

1985
FACTORY BASE PRICE- $24,873
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 39,729
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3088
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9 to 1
Horsepower- 230
Torque lbs-ft- 330
Fuel Injection- Tuned Port

1986
FACTORY BASE PRICE- $27,207 (coupe) $32,032 (convertible)
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 39,729 (27,794 coupes) (7315 convertibles)
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3086
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9.5 to 1
Horsepower- 230
Torque lbs-ft- 330
Fuel Injection- Tuned Port

1987
FACTORY BASE PRICE- $27,999 (coupe) $33,172 (convertible)
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 30,632 (20,007 coupes) (10,625 convertibles)
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3098
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9.5 to 1
Horsepower- 240
Torque lbs-ft- 340
Fuel Injection- Tuned Port
TRANSMISSION- 4+3 speed manual standard. 4 speed automatic
available at no cost.

1988
FACTORY BASE PRICE- 29,489 (coupe) 34,820 (convertible)
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 22,789 (15,832 coupes) (7407 convertibles)
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3157
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9.5 to 1
Horsepower- 245
Torque lbs-ft- 345
Fuel Injection- Tuned Port
TRANSMISSION- 4+3 speed manual standard. 4 speed automatic
available at no cost.

1989
FACTORY BASE PRICE- n/a (coupe) n/a (convertible)
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 30,632 (20,007 coupes) (10,625 convertibles)
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3120
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9.5 to 1
Horsepower- 245
Torque lbs-ft- 345
Fuel Injection- Tuned Port
TRANSMISSION- 6 speed manual, 4 speed automatic available at

1990
FACTORY BASE PRICE- 31,979 (coupe) 37,264 (convertible) $59,495 (ZR1)
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 23,646 (16,016 coupes) (7630 convertibles)
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3120, 3470 ZR1
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9.5 to 1
Horsepower- 245, 250, (375 ZR1) optional
Torque lbs-ft- 345, 350, (370 ZR1) optional
Fuel Injection- Tuned Port
TRANSMISSION- 6 speed manual, 4 speed automatic available at no cost.

1991
FACTORY BASE PRICE- $31,979 (coupe) $37,264 (convertible) $65,318 (ZR1)
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 20,639 (14,967 coupes including 2044 ZR1's)
(5672 convertibles)
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3120, 3470 ZR1
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9.5 to 1
Horsepower- 245, 250, (375 ZR1) optional
Torque lbs-ft- 345, 350, (370 ZR1) optional
Fuel Injection- Tuned Port
TRANSMISSION- 6 speed manual, 4 speed automatic available at no cost.


1992
FACTORY BASE PRICE- $33,635 (coupe) $40,145 (convertible) $65,318 (ZR1)
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 20,479 (14,604 coupes including 502 ZR1's)
(5875 convertibles)
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3223, 3470 ZR1
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 10.2 to 1
Horsepower- 300, (375 ZR1) optional
Torque lbs-ft- 330 (370 ZR1) optional
Fuel Injection- Multi-port
TRANSMISSION- 6 speed manual, 4 speed automatic available at no cost.

Most likely it was an '84....however my dad has a '85 and I know what you're talking about when you say its slow. It would seem that going from 135 (celi) to 230 (vette) would be a huge difference. However it isn't. For some reason it doesn't seem to go. Anyway...I listed all the eighties. There was no '83..(well there was but there is only one left driving) and the 82, 81, 80 were all the C3s. Different body style. I just listed the 90, 91 ,92 to complete the C4 generation. Who knows though...she might have not really been trying..or something could have been wrong with the car...and hell you could have just beat it...anyway hope this shines some light on the discussion.