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nik
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Has anyone ever bothered to dyno the ST in stock trim? I'd be curious to see exactly how much it puts to the wheels, and what various mods would do for the powerband.

Besides an intake, exhaust, and a header, there isn't anything else that will make the car go faster than what Toyota intended. It's a shame, and depressing to hear it, but it's the truth.


i did before my 7afte it was 95whp and 106 torque i'll have to find the dyno sheet this is also with a 94 7afe obd1

This post has been edited by nik: Apr 25, 2006 - 2:39 PM
yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
Bitter
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thats a 5spd eh? thats not too shabby at all.

was you'rs fed spec or cali? egr or no?

This post has been edited by Bitter: Apr 25, 2006 - 2:35 PM
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
95CelicaST
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> thats not a 7a-fe header in that picture at all!

and ontop of that, they show a full length 4-1 AND a midpipe for a 4-2-1.


Also, not only is it lightweight, its SUPER lightweight. +5 hp right there.
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malpaso
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> thats not a 7a-fe header in that picture at all!

and ontop of that, they show a full length 4-1 AND a midpipe for a 4-2-1.


Also, not only is it lightweight, its SUPER lightweight. +5 hp right there.



So you say this header add max 5hp, not 10-15 they say...
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95CelicaST
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>So you say this header add max 5hp, not 10-15 they say...


It was a joke wink.gif

If you are lucky you will get 5hp off headers, exhaust, and intake.
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Bitter
#36
its not all about adding up numbers tho, its moreso about changing the powerband. thats where headers, intake, and exhaust are good.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
Celicaguy13
#37
Just curious... How do you get 4age pistons to work with a 7afe block if the 7a is a 1.8 and the 4a is a 1.6?
nik
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Just curious... How do you get 4age pistons to work with a 7afe block if the 7a is a 1.8 and the 4a is a 1.6?


7afe and 4age pistons are both 81mm and some 4ag piston have 20mm wrist pins like the 7afe if you need more info just search for it or pm me
yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
pure_dx
#39
only the 1994 7afe celicas have 115 hp, all the other ones are 105 hp

you cant reflash or chip a toyota ecu, a toyota is not a honda

an intake on the 7afe is more like a gain of 1 hp, probably 2 for CAI, (probably a lil more than 1 and 2, but you get the idea)

a header adding 15 hp to the 7afe? i doubt it, probably more around 5

the same with the rest of the mods

the only real way to know this if someone got dynoed and measured their hp from the crank AND the wheels with those mods

if you want 147+ hp N/A 7afe, you'd have to go deeper into the engine
WH95TE
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only the 1994 7afe celicas have 115 hp, all the other ones are 105 hp

I thought I read somewhere that the 94-95 have the extra hp?
pure_dx
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only the 1994 7afe celicas have 115 hp, all the other ones are 105 hp

I thought I read somewhere that the 94-95 have the extra hp?


read below

-pure_dx+
QUOTE(pure_dx)
only the 1994 7afe celicas have 115 hp, all the other ones are 105 hp



wink.gif

This post has been edited by pure_dx: Jun 28, 2006 - 3:27 PM
SpoonR530
#42
Firstly there is a bunch of upgrades u can do on your ST, look ad EDO17982's ride man. Second..............


"The engines of the two models are different. The ST model is powered by the 1.8 liter DOHC 7A-FE engine. This engine puts out 110 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 115 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm in the 1994 and 1995 model years, and in the 1996 and 1997 model years, the engine puts out 105 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 117 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm. " 6GC.net

And C if you think you get one HP of a CAI epecially a ram air one, your on crack.

-Spoon
WH95TE
#43
-pure_dx+
QUOTE(pure_dx)
only the 1994 7afe celicas have 115 hp, all the other ones are 105 hp


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"The engines of the two models are different. The ST model is powered by the 1.8 liter DOHC 7A-FE engine. This engine puts out 110 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 115 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm in the 1994 and 1995 model years, and in the 1996 and 1997 model years, the engine puts out 105 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 117 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm. " 6GC.net
-Spoon


Which is true? kindasad.gif
DomGT
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-pure_dx+
QUOTE(pure_dx)
only the 1994 7afe celicas have 115 hp, all the other ones are 105 hp


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"The engines of the two models are different. The ST model is powered by the 1.8 liter DOHC 7A-FE engine. This engine puts out 110 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 115 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm in the 1994 and 1995 model years, and in the 1996 and 1997 model years, the engine puts out 105 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 117 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm. " 6GC.net
-Spoon


Which is true? kindasad.gif



The 2nd one.
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malpaso
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QUOTE(SpoonR530 @ Jul 7, 2006 - 7:36 PM) [snapback]453067[/snapback]
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Firstly there is a bunch of upgrades u can do on your ST, look ad EDO17982's ride man. Second..............


"The engines of the two models are different. The ST model is powered by the 1.8 liter DOHC 7A-FE engine. This engine puts out 110 horsepower at 5600 rpm and 115 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm in the 1994 and 1995 model years, and in the 1996 and 1997 model years, the engine puts out 105 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 117 lb. ft. of torque at 2800 rpm. " 6GC.net

And C if you think you get one HP of a CAI epecially a ram air one, your on crack.

-Spoon



And now crafty question biggrin.gif. I have facelifted celica (1996-1999) from the stock, but my car was made 20th of December 1995 (punctually biggrin.gif). It's my 7AFE that one with 110 or with 105 horsepower? cwm13.gif
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Bitter
#46
its a 96 model year car with a 96 model year engine.

This post has been edited by Bitter: Jul 8, 2006 - 8:51 AM
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
malpaso
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its a 96 model year car with a 96 model year engine.


second weird thing: in my log-book I have writen engine power 85kW/5800rpm (that's 85 * 1.36 = 115HP) confused.gif
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Bitter
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its a 96 model year car with a 96 model year engine.


second weird thing: in my log-book I have writen engine power 85kW/5800rpm (that's 85 * 1.36 = 115HP) confused.gif

could be a typo, in my owners manual there are several typo's ranging from mislabled engine bay pictures to swapped fluid capacities.


also, we're talking about US spec'd engines. abroad the 7afe had different tunes, indoneasian and russian 7afe's got upto 120 crank hp.

This post has been edited by Bitter: Jul 8, 2006 - 12:15 PM
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
pure_dx
#49
ooops, my bad, so the 7afe geo prizm and corolla actually has more hp than the celica 7afe, whoa! no wonder the st are so slow, jk

SpoonR530
#50
hehe, damn st's....



I have read from ToyotaNation the pistons from a 7AFE can be replaced with 4AGZE pistons with out much modification
is it true?>>>??????

If it is we can get rid of that fuel economy BS.... wink.gif 4 different compression ratioz.



-SpooNr

This post has been edited by SpoonR530: Jul 9, 2006 - 1:51 PM
nik
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hehe, damn st's....



I have read from ToyotaNation the pistons from a 7AFE can be replaced with 4AGZE pistons with out much modification
is it true?>>>??????

If it is we can get rid of that fuel economy BS.... wink.gif 4 different compression ratioz.



-SpooNr


yes they do but you have to get the 4ag pistons that have 20mm wrist pins i had 4agze pistons in my 7agte but swaped them out for ARIES pistons fully forged

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hehe, damn st's....



I have read from ToyotaNation the pistons from a 7AFE can be replaced with 4AGZE pistons with out much modification
is it true?>>>??????

If it is we can get rid of that fuel economy BS.... wink.gif 4 different compression ratioz.



-SpooNr


yes they do but you have to get the 4ag pistons that have 20mm wrist pins i had 4agze pistons in my 7agte but swaped them out for ARIES pistons fully forged also go check the featured ride he has a built 7afe with 4ag pistons in it



yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
tomazws
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stickers mate, the more stickers the more hp...

wink.gif
-TomazWSwww.tomazws.com
malpaso
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stickers mate, the more stickers the more hp...

wink.gif


and 'BEAMS' sticker on engine is the most powerful laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif (own experience biggrin.gif wink.gif )

IPB Image

This post has been edited by malpaso: Jul 11, 2006 - 1:06 AM
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SpoonR530
#54
When taking the head off the 7afe engine block is there gaskets, specialized tools needed or anything else I might regret having when I change the pistons? (I really need a Celica manual)



-spoonr

tomazws
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QUOTE(tomazws @ Jul 11, 2006 - 4:53 AM) [snapback]454326[/snapback]
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stickers mate, the more stickers the more hp...

wink.gif


and 'BEAMS' sticker on engine is the most powerful laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif (own experience biggrin.gif wink.gif )

IPB Image



If you add a "TOYOTA" emblem on the valve cover, it will provide you even more. tongue.gif

Very nice clean engine BTW.
-TomazWSwww.tomazws.com
j0e_p3t
#56
haha, i love your redtop "beams".
ss-iii splitters and 404 skirts areon. which means i need to update my sig.
SpoonR530
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QUOTE(SpoonR530 @ Jul 11, 2006 - 11:51 AM) [snapback]454570[/snapback]
> When taking the head off the 7afe engine block is there gaskets, specialized tools needed or anything else I might regret having when I change the pistons? (I really need a Celica manual)



-spoonr



http://www.tamparacing.com/forums/toyota-t...ze-pistons.html
"no you cannot put the 4agze pistons in to a 7afe
block they are not right and the 7afe block will granade"
Do i have to get the 4age head for the swap>???

This post has been edited by SpoonR530: Jul 12, 2006 - 7:24 PM
Kwanza26
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When taking the head off the 7afe engine block is there gaskets, specialized tools needed or anything else I might regret having when I change the pistons? (I really need a Celica manual)
"no you cannot put the 4agze pistons in to a 7afe
block they are not right and the 7afe block will granade"
Do i have to get the 4age head for the swap>???

The 4AG pistons with 20mm wrists do fit... but only with modification to the 7AFE rods (full float versus press fit pins). 4AGZE pistons will raise compression mated to the 7AFE head... but will lower compression on the 4AG (in a 7AG hybrid build) head. You won't be able to do anything to the pistons and rods without a press and the proper tools (press plates, etc for the pistons), otherwise you might as well kiss the pistons and rods goodbye. If you've NEVER built an engine before... this is NOT a good place to start... switching parts and doing custom work is not for beginners.

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Jul 13, 2006 - 10:12 PM
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sinner96ST
#59
I wouldn't go messing with the internals in the ST unless you've built engines before in the past, and planning on doing more than just swapping pistons, which is a big job to the novice.

If you want the ST to have more power, turbo it. No amount of N/A modification is going to net you any serious powers, it's difficult to build on a platform that doesn't even see 100hp to the wheels.

I believe Nik is the only member here who can honestly say he's done as much as he possibly can to the motor he started with.
SpoonR530
#60
thnx for the advice, I think for now i will save up money for the 7afte parts. In the mean time i will buy a 4agze to learn from, eventually swaping that or making a hybrid of the two much later down the line.
-ZpooNr
ps

One of my best friends has a N/A board out Datsun 1973 510, No Smog Checks ! We've rebuilt two engines so far and we also have a 3ed on the way, so Im not a complete noob.

pps

The 510 actually just got coilover eibach springs which we g6's can pic up too for $400!

This post has been edited by SpoonR530: Jul 16, 2006 - 12:30 AM
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