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Mr_E
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Apr 19, 2006 - 1:48 PM) [snapback]423427[/snapback]
> but I have something to tell you. WE IN THE STATES ARE NOT USED TO PAYING THIS MUCH!!!


Tough. Get used to it. It's a non renewable resource, mainly produced by a cartel in an unstable region. The price is only going to go one way.


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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Apr 19, 2006 - 1:48 PM) [snapback]423427[/snapback]
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Stop griping to us about our complaining when we're used to a certain quality of life, and when gas prices take a 50% hike in a matter of a month, that changes what we're used to.


Damn. And how dare world politics and a little thing like the future energy sources for the entire species actually affect your quality of life..... I mean, it's not like it's important or anything.

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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Apr 19, 2006 - 1:48 PM) [snapback]423427[/snapback]
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You guys overseas are used to paying the high prices, and those high prices are largely in reason to the amount of taxes on them.



Mmmm. Tax indeed. Do you really want the Government to dictate fuel cost to you, because it happens here and the result is 300-400% tax on anything that fuels a car. Oh, and then we pay 17.5% tax on top of that.

When the crude oil price goes up a bit, the cost of fuel goes up a *lot*.

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QUOTE(malpaso @ Apr 19, 2006 - 2:47 PM) [snapback]423459[/snapback]
> One thing is really interesting (for me). Information of octane number.

EU use 95,98 and 100 octane gas, but I see US has 87,89 and 91 octane gas... For same engines! Or I missed something?


Yup - you're missing the simple answer. US and Europe measure Octane slightly differently. We use RON, you use MON. MON is slightly more consistant I think.


This post has been edited by Mr_E: Apr 19, 2006 - 10:29 AM
JDM ST205Blitz Spec NUR Exhaust, somewhere over $1000Needing another one 18000 miles later, bloody annoying.
playr158
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Apr 19, 2006 - 8:48 AM) [snapback]423427[/snapback]
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I realize you guys over in the UK pay a lot for gas (pretty much everywhere but the states), but I have something to tell you. WE IN THE STATES ARE NOT USED TO PAYING THIS MUCH!!! Stop griping to us about our complaining when we're used to a certain quality of life, and when gas prices take a 50% hike in a matter of a month, that changes what we're used to. You guys overseas are used to paying the high prices, and those high prices are largely in reason to the amount of taxes on them. That said,

The oil companies are feeling us out to see what we're willing to pay. There's absolutely no valid reason for how our gas prices have been raising recently. I've seen plenty of excuses thrown out, but no real reasons. I personally believe we need federal regulation of the petroleum industry here in the states to keep this incessant price gouging going. It's already being looked at in the natural gas sector, so hopefully it's only a matter of time before it hits the oil compaines too. Just give it a few more weeks until the oil companies start posting their rather large profits again and the government will start turning an eye towards them and they'll back off like what happened last fall.



ok lets all go back to ECONOMICS 101...

gas just like anyother world commodity has a DEMAND and a SUPPLY

now with prices on the "Y" axis and quantity on the "X" axis (just like every other supply and demand graph)
IPB Image
the BLACK lines are your base graph D=demand S= Supply
now when we demand more gas the Demand curve shifts UP (meaning we want more gas aka using more)
so this new increase in demand is our redline...
NOTICE
demand goes up SUPPLY gets less...
why? because your using more DUH!

what happens when you demand more and use it up
the PRICE goes up! as you can see in the new position on the red line

so stop your stupid ignorant bitching about the government and greedy gas station owners....
if you want prices to go down... STOP USING GAS
thus the DEMAND goes down SUPPLY increases and PRICES FALL


~class dismissed


Let's go back to class then. Demand doesn't go up 50% in a single month.


the cheapest i've bought premium for my turbo is 2.33$ in the last year or so

so we'll use that saying that its 3.00$ at highest right now
thats a 23% increase in price.....now that does not reflect the ACTUAL increase in demand
but 23% is not that much...and thats on the EXTREMES

This post has been edited by playr158: Apr 19, 2006 - 10:32 AM
fastgt
#33
filled up at moblie 91 octane $3.17.....i wish i could put 87 in the Z...but if you think about it the price difference between 87 and 91 youre really only saving about 2 dollars...no big deal
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Jeremy1210
#34
well i got to work at 830 am and gas was 2.61 for cheap stuff. Its not 1247pm and gas is now 2.91?? Now I know nothing has happened in the 4 hours I have been at work...WTF?? Oil companies are raping us hard...man I'd love to meet an Exxon Mobil oil exec and give him a piece of mind and a fist if it were allowed...

I mean come on my pucker hurts way more than that one....opps tongue.gif
devilsden97
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not to change the topic, but, how about the price of tires?

Falken ZIEX ZE 512 (4) 225/45/17 with balancing, valve stems, and all that $611.25<---YIKES! (i paid it though laugh.gif )

Back to gas prices.
KawiLove
Fastbird
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Apr 19, 2006 - 11:31 AM) [snapback]423499[/snapback]
>the cheapest i've bought premium for my turbo is 2.33$ in the last year or so

so we'll use that saying that its 3.00$ at highest right now
thats a 23% increase in price.....now that does not reflect the ACTUAL increase in demand
but 23% is not that much...and thats on the EXTREMES


A month ago I was paying right at $2.00 a gallon in southern jersey. I've seen several places that are over $3.00 a gallon now.

I also just noticed that on base the prices went from 2.79 to 2.87 for premium since yesterday afternoon. Looks like the NJ Turnpike is the cheapest at $2.80 for premium, for the next couple of days at least.
playr158
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2.80$ on the TP where!!!!

i'm on my way to jersey city friday and VA is like 3$
Mr_E
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QUOTE(devilsden97 @ Apr 19, 2006 - 6:09 PM) [snapback]423530[/snapback]
> not to change the topic, but, how about the price of tires?

Falken ZIEX ZE 512 (4) 225/45/17 with balancing, valve stems, and all that $611.25<---YIKES! (i paid it though laugh.gif )


4 x 225/40ZR18 extra load Eagle F1 GSD03. Almost $900.
JDM ST205Blitz Spec NUR Exhaust, somewhere over $1000Needing another one 18000 miles later, bloody annoying.
devilsden97
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QUOTE(devilsden97 @ Apr 19, 2006 - 6:09 PM) [snapback]423530[/snapback]
> not to change the topic, but, how about the price of tires?

Falken ZIEX ZE 512 (4) 225/45/17 with balancing, valve stems, and all that $611.25<---YIKES! (i paid it though laugh.gif )


4 x 225/40ZR18 extra load Eagle F1 GSD03. Almost $900.


was going to get those till they told me there were $200+ a tire
KawiLove
celicast3sgte
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$3.01 for 92 octane this morning.... BLAHHHH am i sure i want to up the boost? :-/ ........... YEP! biggrin.gif
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malpaso
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QUOTE(Mr_E @ Apr 19, 2006 - 5:26 PM) [snapback]423497[/snapback]
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QUOTE(malpaso @ Apr 19, 2006 - 2:47 PM) [snapback]423459[/snapback]
> One thing is really interesting (for me). Information of octane number.

EU use 95,98 and 100 octane gas, but I see US has 87,89 and 91 octane gas... For same engines! Or I missed something?


Yup - you're missing the simple answer. US and Europe measure Octane slightly differently. We use RON, you use MON. MON is slightly more consistant I think.


Mr_E thank you, you hit the spot! FYI see this wink.gif

>>Measurement methods

The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel through a specific test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions, and comparing these results with those for mixtures of isooctane and n-heptane.

There is another type of octane rating, called Motor Octane Number (MON), which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. MON testing uses a similar test engine to that used in RON testing, but with a preheated fuel mixture, a higher engine speed, and variable ignition timing to further stress the fuel's knock resistance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 8 to 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.

In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in the United States and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "normal" gasoline in the US and Canada, would be 91 in Europe.

The octane rating may also be a "trade name", with the actual figure being higher than the nominal rating.

It is possible for a fuel to have a RON greater than 100, because isooctane is not the most knock-resistant substance available. Racing fuels, straight ethanol, Avgas and liquified petroleum gas (LPG) typically have octane ratings of 110 or significantly higher. Typical "octane booster" additives include tetra-ethyl lead and toluene. Tetra-ethyl lead is easily decomposed to its component radicals, which react with the radicals from the fuel and oxygen that would start the combustion, thereby delaying ignition.>>

BTW: I was bit confused because of one part of your answer "We use RON, you use MON" couse I'm from Europe laugh.gif, but now is everithig clear wink.gif biggrin.gif
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malpaso
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QUOTE(devilsden97 @ Apr 19, 2006 - 4:31 PM) [snapback]423472[/snapback]
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This was just suppose to be a compairing local prices thing, not an arguement over who pays more, and who shouldnt complain. You are all trying to get this thread closed.


You are right... We need to realize that we have chance to get knowledge of something. For example:

- which price you must pay for fuel around the world
- how is measured octan number (and that there is difference between US and EU)
- differents between units
- practise in English language biggrin.gif

That's why I'm here almost every day. These forums are perfect place for this...

p.s.: I hope this post will not be ridiculous for you laugh.gif


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97sccelica
#43
just filled up tonight in Van Nuys, CA at a chevron station

$3.25 a gallon for 91 octane

at least my wrx gets 20+ mpg every tank, its usually about 23mpg
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Mr_E
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QUOTE(malpaso @ Apr 20, 2006 - 7:00 AM) [snapback]423872[/snapback]
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BTW: I was bit confused because of one part of your answer "We use RON, you use MON" couse I'm from Europe laugh.gif , but now is everithig clear wink.gif biggrin.gif


Whoops. Sorry man. I just assumed and shouldn't have.
JDM ST205Blitz Spec NUR Exhaust, somewhere over $1000Needing another one 18000 miles later, bloody annoying.
Predator
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6.04 a gallon here, but it's the swedish governements fault, first we've got massive amounts of different taxes plus VAT on the gas and VAT on the fu***** taxes mad.gif
Cutrara
#46
Gas was so awesome when it was like $15-$20 to fill up your tank. Now it costs me at least $35.

Springdale Sheetz, 87 Octane- $2.95/gallon
QUOTE (cjh4l22 @ May 15, 2009 - 4:02 AM)hey, nice mod does it come in hetero?Need parts?I'm parting out a '94 ST
axelrduvirage
#47
1.209$CDN per litre for Octane 87 as of 2 pm today...do the math I'm too depressed to retain numbers.

dstrbcelica
#48
it's 2.79 for 87 octane. ::sigh:: my jeep gets 16.9 miles per gallon. damn i miss my celica.

-dstrb
former celica owner.
Nano
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QUOTE(Fastbird @ Apr 19, 2006 - 8:48 AM) [snapback]423427[/snapback]
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I realize you guys over in the UK pay a lot for gas (pretty much everywhere but the states), but I have something to tell you. WE IN THE STATES ARE NOT USED TO PAYING THIS MUCH!!! Stop griping to us about our complaining when we're used to a certain quality of life, and when gas prices take a 50% hike in a matter of a month, that changes what we're used to. You guys overseas are used to paying the high prices, and those high prices are largely in reason to the amount of taxes on them. That said,

The oil companies are feeling us out to see what we're willing to pay. There's absolutely no valid reason for how our gas prices have been raising recently. I've seen plenty of excuses thrown out, but no real reasons. I personally believe we need federal regulation of the petroleum industry here in the states to keep this incessant price gouging going. It's already being looked at in the natural gas sector, so hopefully it's only a matter of time before it hits the oil compaines too. Just give it a few more weeks until the oil companies start posting their rather large profits again and the government will start turning an eye towards them and they'll back off like what happened last fall.



ok lets all go back to ECONOMICS 101...

gas just like anyother world commodity has a DEMAND and a SUPPLY

now with prices on the "Y" axis and quantity on the "X" axis (just like every other supply and demand graph)
IPB Image
the BLACK lines are your base graph D=demand S= Supply
now when we demand more gas the Demand curve shifts UP (meaning we want more gas aka using more)
so this new increase in demand is our redline...
NOTICE
demand goes up SUPPLY gets less...
why? because your using more DUH!

what happens when you demand more and use it up
the PRICE goes up! as you can see in the new position on the red line

so stop your stupid ignorant bitching about the government and greedy gas station owners....
if you want prices to go down... STOP USING GAS
thus the DEMAND goes down SUPPLY increases and PRICES FALL


~class dismissed


Let's go back to class then. Demand doesn't go up 50% in a single month.


the cheapest i've bought premium for my turbo is 2.33$ in the last year or so

so we'll use that saying that its 3.00$ at highest right now
thats a 23% increase in price.....now that does not reflect the ACTUAL increase in demand
but 23% is not that much...and thats on the EXTREMES


thats actually a 31.3% increase.


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QUOTE(dstrbcelica @ Apr 20, 2006 - 3:03 PM) [snapback]424098[/snapback]
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it's 2.79 for 87 octane. ::sigh:: my jeep gets 16.9 miles per gallon. damn i miss my celica.

-dstrb



my jeep got about 14... thats why i bought a celica. lol.

Of course, on my last fillup, the celica only got 15.5... battery has been giving me problems lately. frown.gif
maxpower_hd
#50
I guess I did pretty well for myself this morning. I only paid $2.97 for 87.

I have slowly converted my heard of vehicles over to all Toyota except my motorcycle.

I had a Chevy K2500 4x4, extended cab, long bed truck. I just sold it because it was costing me way too much in fuel. I was only getting between 11-12 mpg with it. I used to do side work with it but I haven't been getting enough work to justify the cost of running the bohemeth.

I got a 93 Toyota 4x4 instead. I just about doubled my mileage.
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