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6th Gen Hater ?? - 6G Celicas Forums
Any Civic that doesn't see engine work, a turbo, or a swap isn't fast, at all. The same could be said about the Celica.
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well the swap celica will be faster and have more potential than the civic Si overall w/ a lower price tag. im not going to compare a turbo motor to an N/A motor but pure HP-wise the 3SGTE can be pushed further, cheaper. thats all i was saying. also...i've driven alot of civics from bone stock to swapped out ones (jersey is full of 'em and my co-workers are all civic heads) and i'd take my celica's handling anyday imho.
not dissing the Si so dont get me wrong...its a very nice car and i dont deny that.
bboy
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So what if a 3S swap is cheaper than buying a new Civic Si, a 3S-swapped Celica isn't going to make it any better. Maybe in a straight-line, but other than that I can't think of anything else where the 3S-swapped Celica is better.
I actually agree with the so called "Celica hater" on the 5S-FE. It ain't a performance oriented engine, period.
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chanh ur funny man lol
i want to reply to this thread also to let him know that buying a used celica and swapping in the 3S is still cheaper than buying a new civic Si but i cant seem to get that "confirmation e-mail"? oh and i hope he's not dissing on the 5sfte cuz im pretty sure he doesnt want manny over there 
remy: dont get discouraged on buying a 6th gen man...sure its a bit on the sluggish side stock but with mods (usually boost) the 5sfe can be a beast. we actually have a member here who is doing 230hp 270tq on his 5sfte setup (manny is da man! lol) or u could always swap and have some serious power and potential.
bboy
chanh ur funny man lol
i want to reply to this thread also to let him know that buying a used celica and swapping in the 3S is still cheaper than buying a new civic Si but i cant seem to get that "confirmation e-mail"? oh and i hope he's not dissing on the 5sfte cuz im pretty sure he doesnt want manny over there remy: dont get discouraged on buying a 6th gen man...sure its a bit on the sluggish side stock but with mods (usually boost) the 5sfe can be a beast. we actually have a member here who is doing 230hp 270tq on his 5sfte setup (manny is da man! lol) or u could always swap and have some serious power and potential.
bboy
So what if a 3S swap is cheaper than buying a new Civic Si, a 3S-swapped Celica isn't going to make it any better. Maybe in a straight-line, but other than that I can't think of anything else where the 3S-swapped Celica is better.
I actually agree with the so called "Celica hater" on the 5S-FE. It ain't a performance oriented engine, period.
well the swap celica will be faster and have more potential than the civic Si overall w/ a lower price tag. im not going to compare a turbo motor to an N/A motor but pure HP-wise the 3SGTE can be pushed further, cheaper. thats all i was saying. also...i've driven alot of civics from bone stock to swapped out ones (jersey is full of 'em and my co-workers are all civic heads) and i'd take my celica's handling anyday imho.
not dissing the Si so dont get me wrong...its a very nice car and i dont deny that.
bboy
..(formerly daily driven) 3S-GTE powered celica currently set @ 12psi..
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More potential to torque steer.
It'll be faster in the straights, but in the corners it won't be.
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well the swap celica will be faster and have more potential than the civic Si overall w/ a lower price tag. im not going to compare a turbo motor to an N/A motor but pure HP-wise the 3SGTE can be pushed further, cheaper. thats all i was saying. also...i've driven alot of civics from bone stock to swapped out ones (jersey is full of 'em and my co-workers are all civic heads) and i'd take my celica's handling anyday imho.
not dissing the Si so dont get me wrong...its a very nice car and i dont deny that.
bboy
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QUOTE(BLADDER_MASTER @ Apr 25, 2006 - 10:25 PM) [snapback]426387[/snapback]
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So what if a 3S swap is cheaper than buying a new Civic Si, a 3S-swapped Celica isn't going to make it any better. Maybe in a straight-line, but other than that I can't think of anything else where the 3S-swapped Celica is better.
I actually agree with the so called "Celica hater" on the 5S-FE. It ain't a performance oriented engine, period.
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QUOTE(BBoYRuGGeD @ Apr 25, 2006 - 10:32 AM) [snapback]426214[/snapback]
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chanh ur funny man lol i want to reply to this thread also to let him know that buying a used celica and swapping in the 3S is still cheaper than buying a new civic Si but i cant seem to get that "confirmation e-mail"? oh and i hope he's not dissing on the 5sfte cuz im pretty sure he doesnt want manny over there
remy: dont get discouraged on buying a 6th gen man...sure its a bit on the sluggish side stock but with mods (usually boost) the 5sfe can be a beast. we actually have a member here who is doing 230hp 270tq on his 5sfte setup (manny is da man! lol) or u could always swap and have some serious power and potential.
bboy
chanh ur funny man lol
i want to reply to this thread also to let him know that buying a used celica and swapping in the 3S is still cheaper than buying a new civic Si but i cant seem to get that "confirmation e-mail"? oh and i hope he's not dissing on the 5sfte cuz im pretty sure he doesnt want manny over there remy: dont get discouraged on buying a 6th gen man...sure its a bit on the sluggish side stock but with mods (usually boost) the 5sfe can be a beast. we actually have a member here who is doing 230hp 270tq on his 5sfte setup (manny is da man! lol) or u could always swap and have some serious power and potential.
bboy
So what if a 3S swap is cheaper than buying a new Civic Si, a 3S-swapped Celica isn't going to make it any better. Maybe in a straight-line, but other than that I can't think of anything else where the 3S-swapped Celica is better.
I actually agree with the so called "Celica hater" on the 5S-FE. It ain't a performance oriented engine, period.
well the swap celica will be faster and have more potential than the civic Si overall w/ a lower price tag. im not going to compare a turbo motor to an N/A motor but pure HP-wise the 3SGTE can be pushed further, cheaper. thats all i was saying. also...i've driven alot of civics from bone stock to swapped out ones (jersey is full of 'em and my co-workers are all civic heads) and i'd take my celica's handling anyday imho.
not dissing the Si so dont get me wrong...its a very nice car and i dont deny that.
bboy
More potential to torque steer.
It'll be faster in the straights, but in the corners it won't be.
How did we get started on Celica's not being able to handle?
The nice thing about the celica--and I haven't driven many other cars like this--is it's very predicatbale, controllable, and forgiving at its limits, and that's what makes it an excellent touring car. When you push most cars to their limits of handling, acceleration, braking, etc, they turn into wild, uncharacteristically mushy cars. I can pull through a 90 degree bend at +40mph and 4500 rpms and be utterly confident that I'll come out straight and hard in my celica. The only other cars I've had wheel time in that behave that well are the Mazda Miata and the second gen RX-7 (both RWD (hell, both Mazda's)). Say what you want, I've managed to stave off (and usually leave in the dust) Imprezas, Supras, Mini Cooper S's and Trans Ams on real world backroads (some of the cars were driven by self proclaimed "auto cross" diehards).
The 5S is reliable, has a great powerband for cornering, but otherwise it doesn't have much potential. Big Woop. You drive a civic; everyone thinks you're gay.
The nice thing about the celica--and I haven't driven many other cars like this--is it's very predicatbale, controllable, and forgiving at its limits, and that's what makes it an excellent touring car. When you push most cars to their limits of handling, acceleration, braking, etc, they turn into wild, uncharacteristically mushy cars. I can pull through a 90 degree bend at +40mph and 4500 rpms and be utterly confident that I'll come out straight and hard in my celica. The only other cars I've had wheel time in that behave that well are the Mazda Miata and the second gen RX-7 (both RWD (hell, both Mazda's)). Say what you want, I've managed to stave off (and usually leave in the dust) Imprezas, Supras, Mini Cooper S's and Trans Ams on real world backroads (some of the cars were driven by self proclaimed "auto cross" diehards).
The 5S is reliable, has a great powerband for cornering, but otherwise it doesn't have much potential. Big Woop. You drive a civic; everyone thinks you're gay.
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never thought i'd meet a 6g celica owner (i think u r right?) who doesnt like the handling on the celica. whatever floats ur boat buddy...if the Si is ur cup o' tea then thats cool too
bboy
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More potential to torque steer. It'll be faster in the straights, but in the corners it won't be.
More potential to torque steer.
It'll be faster in the straights, but in the corners it won't be.never thought i'd meet a 6g celica owner (i think u r right?) who doesnt like the handling on the celica. whatever floats ur boat buddy...if the Si is ur cup o' tea then thats cool too
bboy
..(formerly daily driven) 3S-GTE powered celica currently set @ 12psi..
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Bias... but hey... oh well. As far as I'm concerned... you're hardly at the 6g Celica's limit based on your example... =] It's a good handling car, but hardly comparable to cars with actual sport suspension (I'd hardly call 4 corner macphearson struts sporty)... and hardly comparable to a Civic's handling potential (even the new ones, which have been tuned down extremely). It's a good handling car with modest potential... but it's not winning the FWD racing classes like the Civics, Integras and RSX's have in the past.
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Matter of opinion, matter of fact. You really have to have driven all sorts of different cars with different suspension set-ups to their limits in order form an opinion. It's no surprise to me MOST guys here would argue for the Celica... but that's mostly because MOST guys here haven't driven another car, another set-up to the extreme. Daily driving hardly measures a car's handling ability. The Celicas have always been good handling cars, but why would they have even sportier counterparts (Super Struts versions) if they were cheddar to start?
Power isn't everything... putting it to the ground and controlling it are two very different things.
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How did we get started on Celica's not being able to handle?
The nice thing about the celica--and I haven't driven many other cars like this--is it's very predicatbale, controllable, and forgiving at its limits, and that's what makes it an excellent touring car. When you push most cars to their limits of handling, acceleration, braking, etc, they turn into wild, uncharacteristically mushy cars. I can pull through a 90 degree bend at +40mph and 4500 rpms and be utterly confident that I'll come out straight and hard in my celica. The only other cars I've had wheel time in that behave that well are the Mazda Miata and the second gen RX-7 (both RWD (hell, both Mazda's)). Say what you want, I've managed to stave off (and usually leave in the dust) Imprezas, Supras, Mini Cooper S's and Trans Ams on real world backroads (some of the cars were driven by self proclaimed "auto cross" diehards).
The 5S is reliable, has a great powerband for cornering, but otherwise it doesn't have much potential. Big Woop. You drive a civic; everyone thinks you're gay.
How did we get started on Celica's not being able to handle?
The nice thing about the celica--and I haven't driven many other cars like this--is it's very predicatbale, controllable, and forgiving at its limits, and that's what makes it an excellent touring car. When you push most cars to their limits of handling, acceleration, braking, etc, they turn into wild, uncharacteristically mushy cars. I can pull through a 90 degree bend at +40mph and 4500 rpms and be utterly confident that I'll come out straight and hard in my celica. The only other cars I've had wheel time in that behave that well are the Mazda Miata and the second gen RX-7 (both RWD (hell, both Mazda's)). Say what you want, I've managed to stave off (and usually leave in the dust) Imprezas, Supras, Mini Cooper S's and Trans Ams on real world backroads (some of the cars were driven by self proclaimed "auto cross" diehards).
The 5S is reliable, has a great powerband for cornering, but otherwise it doesn't have much potential. Big Woop. You drive a civic; everyone thinks you're gay.
Bias... but hey... oh well. As far as I'm concerned... you're hardly at the 6g Celica's limit based on your example... =] It's a good handling car, but hardly comparable to cars with actual sport suspension (I'd hardly call 4 corner macphearson struts sporty)... and hardly comparable to a Civic's handling potential (even the new ones, which have been tuned down extremely). It's a good handling car with modest potential... but it's not winning the FWD racing classes like the Civics, Integras and RSX's have in the past.
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never thought i'd meet a 6g celica owner (i think u r right?) who doesnt like the handling on the celica. whatever floats ur boat buddy...if the Si is ur cup o' tea then thats cool too smile.gif
never thought i'd meet a 6g celica owner (i think u r right?) who doesnt like the handling on the celica. whatever floats ur boat buddy...if the Si is ur cup o' tea then thats cool too smile.gif
Matter of opinion, matter of fact. You really have to have driven all sorts of different cars with different suspension set-ups to their limits in order form an opinion. It's no surprise to me MOST guys here would argue for the Celica... but that's mostly because MOST guys here haven't driven another car, another set-up to the extreme. Daily driving hardly measures a car's handling ability. The Celicas have always been good handling cars, but why would they have even sportier counterparts (Super Struts versions) if they were cheddar to start?
Power isn't everything... putting it to the ground and controlling it are two very different things.
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
This thread has the potential to turn in to a flame war, so, please be courteous to others when responding.
Obviously, people on this forum are already biased about Toyota's, and for a good reason. Toyota = dependability, and performance in some of the more rare models.
People shouldn't be down about what we drive, performance aside, people who own a Celica/Supra/MR2 are a dying breed, Toyota doesn't release sports cars in the U.S. anymore. Be thankful for what you have.
This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Apr 26, 2006 - 6:53 PM
Obviously, people on this forum are already biased about Toyota's, and for a good reason. Toyota = dependability, and performance in some of the more rare models.
People shouldn't be down about what we drive, performance aside, people who own a Celica/Supra/MR2 are a dying breed, Toyota doesn't release sports cars in the U.S. anymore. Be thankful for what you have.
This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Apr 26, 2006 - 6:53 PM
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Weird! What is that guy even wanting to know? he posted this pic asking about a light... What does he think I did? I dunno what those words mean lol
This post has been edited by amysmojo: Apr 26, 2006 - 7:21 PM
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No he knows its amys car look here
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71225
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that guy4life guy is using pics of Amy's Celica. Saying it is his own.
that guy4life guy is using pics of Amy's Celica. Saying it is his own.
No he knows its amys car look here
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71225
Weird! What is that guy even wanting to know? he posted this pic asking about a light... What does he think I did? I dunno what those words mean lol
This post has been edited by amysmojo: Apr 26, 2006 - 7:21 PM
I don't know why you should get offended at that guy's statement. It's true. I don't know about you guys, but I bought my Celica because I liked how it LOOKED...and it was cheap...something that can bepaid for in cash so it can be modded without worries of voiding warranties. If I would've wanted something fast, I would've bought a MKIV Supra. But I had a 530WHP MKIII, so it wasn't necessary. My point is...just chill...who cares about what they say? You all have gorgeous 6GCs that people see you on the road with and compliment you...and most don't know what car it is. When do guys with Civics or other mainstream cars get complimented like that? EVERYBODY knows what a Civic looks like...no matter what year!
My point is...just chill...who cares about what they say? You all have gorgeous 6GCs that people see you on the road with and compliment you...and most don't know what car it is. When do guys with Civics or other mainstream cars get complimented like that? EVERYBODY knows what a Civic looks like...no matter what year!
Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
do you see why i can't stand honda people??? aaaawe man. be lucky none of you live in ny...i hear this type of ignorance eveeeeeery day. honda people swear they drive some sort of super car lol..... <sigh>
lol. yeah, i get talked down all the time about having a slow ride. most of my friends drive camaros, mustangs, firebird TAs or some type of euro thats really hot and fast. i could care less..i have the ONLY celica at my school and i get compliments all the time for how sleek it looks! and..its still stock!
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It's not that Celica's can't handle, you could if you setup the car correctly, but I was pointing out that I don't see a 3S-GTE swapped Celica handling as good as a Civic Si through the corners.
And I too enjoy the handling on my Celica, especially with Yokohama AVS ES100's, but I've driven cars that put my Celica to shame.
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How did we get started on Celica's not being able to handle?
The nice thing about the celica--and I haven't driven many other cars like this--is it's very predicatbale, controllable, and forgiving at its limits, and that's what makes it an excellent touring car. When you push most cars to their limits of handling, acceleration, braking, etc, they turn into wild, uncharacteristically mushy cars. I can pull through a 90 degree bend at +40mph and 4500 rpms and be utterly confident that I'll come out straight and hard in my celica. The only other cars I've had wheel time in that behave that well are the Mazda Miata and the second gen RX-7 (both RWD (hell, both Mazda's)). Say what you want, I've managed to stave off (and usually leave in the dust) Imprezas, Supras, Mini Cooper S's and Trans Ams on real world backroads (some of the cars were driven by self proclaimed "auto cross" diehards).
The 5S is reliable, has a great powerband for cornering, but otherwise it doesn't have much potential. Big Woop. You drive a civic; everyone thinks you're gay.
How did we get started on Celica's not being able to handle?
The nice thing about the celica--and I haven't driven many other cars like this--is it's very predicatbale, controllable, and forgiving at its limits, and that's what makes it an excellent touring car. When you push most cars to their limits of handling, acceleration, braking, etc, they turn into wild, uncharacteristically mushy cars. I can pull through a 90 degree bend at +40mph and 4500 rpms and be utterly confident that I'll come out straight and hard in my celica. The only other cars I've had wheel time in that behave that well are the Mazda Miata and the second gen RX-7 (both RWD (hell, both Mazda's)). Say what you want, I've managed to stave off (and usually leave in the dust) Imprezas, Supras, Mini Cooper S's and Trans Ams on real world backroads (some of the cars were driven by self proclaimed "auto cross" diehards).
The 5S is reliable, has a great powerband for cornering, but otherwise it doesn't have much potential. Big Woop. You drive a civic; everyone thinks you're gay.
It's not that Celica's can't handle, you could if you setup the car correctly, but I was pointing out that I don't see a 3S-GTE swapped Celica handling as good as a Civic Si through the corners.
And I too enjoy the handling on my Celica, especially with Yokohama AVS ES100's, but I've driven cars that put my Celica to shame.
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5GC owner, but since it's powered by a 6GC engine, I'm here because of it. A regular Celica's handling I like, but a 3S-GTE swapped Celica's handling I won't like.
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never thought i'd meet a 6g celica owner (i think u r right?) who doesnt like the handling on the celica. whatever floats ur boat buddy...if the Si is ur cup o' tea then thats cool too
bboy
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More potential to torque steer. It'll be faster in the straights, but in the corners it won't be.
More potential to torque steer.
It'll be faster in the straights, but in the corners it won't be.never thought i'd meet a 6g celica owner (i think u r right?) who doesnt like the handling on the celica. whatever floats ur boat buddy...if the Si is ur cup o' tea then thats cool too
bboy
5GC owner, but since it's powered by a 6GC engine, I'm here because of it.
A regular Celica's handling I like, but a 3S-GTE swapped Celica's handling I won't like.
Forgetting all the talk on the other forum:
- as far as I remember Honda was first to introduce V-Tec engines which was followed by Toyota with VVT-i and then VVTL-i, so Hondas were more powerful than Toyotas
- Toyota had A group car - Celica, Honda - did not (correct me if I am wrong)
- Celica is much nicer looking than (any - IMO) Civic, actually it is also completely different car segment
- I drove many Celicas incl. 5gen 1.6, 6gen 1.8, 2.0, 2.2 and GT4, 7gen 1.8 GT and GT-S - guess which one I liked most? definitely 2.0 and 2.0T (1.8 GT-S is nice too but does not live up to expectations)
- FWD, RWD or AWD? - all are good, depending what you need / want to do: FWD is reliable, RWD is fun drifting, AWD is ... the best
- who is right? anyone who loves his car, whatever this car is...
This post has been edited by TomPoz: Apr 27, 2006 - 9:49 AM
- as far as I remember Honda was first to introduce V-Tec engines which was followed by Toyota with VVT-i and then VVTL-i, so Hondas were more powerful than Toyotas
- Toyota had A group car - Celica, Honda - did not (correct me if I am wrong)
- Celica is much nicer looking than (any - IMO) Civic, actually it is also completely different car segment
- I drove many Celicas incl. 5gen 1.6, 6gen 1.8, 2.0, 2.2 and GT4, 7gen 1.8 GT and GT-S - guess which one I liked most? definitely 2.0 and 2.0T (1.8 GT-S is nice too but does not live up to expectations)
- FWD, RWD or AWD? - all are good, depending what you need / want to do: FWD is reliable, RWD is fun drifting, AWD is ... the best
- who is right? anyone who loves his car, whatever this car is...
This post has been edited by TomPoz: Apr 27, 2006 - 9:49 AM
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