So whats the deal with the tubular exhaust manifolds and 3" down pipe for the 3sgte on ebay. Are they any good? do they crack? do any of u 6gc members have them?
ebay 3sgte tubular dp and manifolds. - 6G Celicas Forums
i have both, downpipe seems alright durability as long as you reinforce the welds, i guess same thing with the tubular manifold, but id stick with the stock log style manifold, any power given by the tubular manifold will just be top end, and the log manifold will make it on the bottom end, plus with the log manifold you can use stock heatshield which makes your engine bay look better.
my .02$
my .02$
Keep the stock exhaust manifold. If you want a 3 inch downpipe, get an aussie.
I will return one day.
the stock 3s manifold has been proven to be good for over 400whp.
the ebay ones are well known over on mr2oc for cracking pretty quickly.
the ebay ones are well known over on mr2oc for cracking pretty quickly.
Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
yah listen to what the others are saying...the ebay manifolds are pretty much crap and will crack from what i also have heard. the ssautochrome downpipes tho are pretty nice. i didnt reinforce weld mine and its still kickin'. almost 1 year now. u just gutta make sure to put a flexipipe after it. alltrac.net guys also agree that the ssautochrome downpipes are pretty good for the money.
bboy
bboy
..(formerly daily driven) 3S-GTE powered celica currently set @ 12psi..
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I'll bet you 20 bucks your DP has a crack.
The cracks are so small you dont notice them until they are huge.
Stay away from SS. Buy an Aussie pipe.
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yah listen to what the others are saying...the ebay manifolds are pretty much crap and will crack from what i also have heard. the ssautochrome downpipes tho are pretty nice. i didnt reinforce weld mine and its still kickin'. almost 1 year now. u just gutta make sure to put a flexipipe after it. alltrac.net guys also agree that the ssautochrome downpipes are pretty good for the money.
bboy
yah listen to what the others are saying...the ebay manifolds are pretty much crap and will crack from what i also have heard. the ssautochrome downpipes tho are pretty nice. i didnt reinforce weld mine and its still kickin'. almost 1 year now. u just gutta make sure to put a flexipipe after it. alltrac.net guys also agree that the ssautochrome downpipes are pretty good for the money.
bboy
I'll bet you 20 bucks your DP has a crack.
The cracks are so small you dont notice them until they are huge. Stay away from SS. Buy an Aussie pipe.
I will return one day.
i have the berk one. very similar to the ebay ones. havent had any problems with it at all
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ill take that bet im pulling off the downpipe soon to reinforce the welds (just in case 
) and paint it. ill take pics or maybe u can come and take a look. 
bboy
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I'll bet you 20 bucks your DP has a crack. The cracks are so small you dont notice them until they are huge.
I'll bet you 20 bucks your DP has a crack.
The cracks are so small you dont notice them until they are huge. ill take that bet
im pulling off the downpipe soon to reinforce the welds (just in case ) and paint it. ill take pics or maybe u can come and take a look. bboy
..(formerly daily driven) 3S-GTE powered celica currently set @ 12psi..
also make sure your running a downpipe brace..otherwise your in for cracking no matter wat 
one thing i noticed. it seems the ebay ssauto ones turn a very dark purple color once they have been used for a while. the berk ones on the other hand turn a golden color. anyone else notice that?
15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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from the heat obviously i think the different colors come from different levels of steel quality though
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one thing i noticed. it seems the ebay ssauto ones turn a very dark purple color once they have been used for a while. the berk ones on the other hand turn a golden color. anyone else notice that?
one thing i noticed. it seems the ebay ssauto ones turn a very dark purple color once they have been used for a while. the berk ones on the other hand turn a golden color. anyone else notice that?
from the heat obviously i think the different colors come from different levels of steel quality though
The berk pipe is stainless steel. The SSauto Is stainless plated. Difference in color is from the stainless coating wearing away.
I will return one day.
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hmm didnt know that.
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The berk pipe is stainless steel. The SSauto Is stainless plated. Difference in color is from the stainless coating wearing away.
The berk pipe is stainless steel. The SSauto Is stainless plated. Difference in color is from the stainless coating wearing away.
hmm didnt know that.
15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
any one try the KOracing DP its 2.5 which would actually do my exhaust better.
do you guys know all those manifolds and DP from Ebay are "Made in China". If you looking for a "Good" quality manifold from Japan...it cost you almost $1000.....
Ok Everyone has been talking about manifolds lately..check out these manifolds . He can make them to be shaped like anything...If there is enough interest...i can have him make a mock up on my 3sgte...and have him make quite a few of them..so the price can come down....but anyway he is really good at making these...everything is TIG welded, and reiforced mig welded..also made out of heavy duty stainless steel!
Bigal
LMK if there is any interest and i can talk to the guy and see if he is not too busy to make them....
My personal favorite is his ram horn style manifold!
Bigal
LMK if there is any interest and i can talk to the guy and see if he is not too busy to make them....
My personal favorite is his ram horn style manifold!
1994 celica GT.....3sgte in a month! all helpers are welcome!!! i live in Plattsburgh, NY.
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If he can do one that will outperform stocker log mani, and the gain will be worth the money, i bet you can get ALOT of people mr2, alltrack and gt4 boards to throw down on a group buy. You (or someone) should contact that guy and see what's up
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Ok Everyone has been talking about manifolds lately..check out these manifolds . He can make them to be shaped like anything...If there is enough interest...i can have him make a mock up on my 3sgte...and have him make quite a few of them..so the price can come down....but anyway he is really good at making these...everything is TIG welded, and reiforced mig welded..also made out of heavy duty stainless steel!
Bigal
LMK if there is any interest and i can talk to the guy and see if he is not too busy to make them....
My personal favorite is his ram horn style manifold!
Ok Everyone has been talking about manifolds lately..check out these manifolds . He can make them to be shaped like anything...If there is enough interest...i can have him make a mock up on my 3sgte...and have him make quite a few of them..so the price can come down....but anyway he is really good at making these...everything is TIG welded, and reiforced mig welded..also made out of heavy duty stainless steel!
Bigal
LMK if there is any interest and i can talk to the guy and see if he is not too busy to make them....
My personal favorite is his ram horn style manifold!
If he can do one that will outperform stocker log mani, and the gain will be worth the money, i bet you can get ALOT of people mr2, alltrack and gt4 boards to throw down on a group buy. You (or someone) should contact that guy and see what's up
QUOTE(tufy @ Jul 19, 2006 - 7:40 AM) [snapback]458074[/snapback]i dont drive fast, i just fly low
These Manifolds will definately gain HP...because he makes sure that every pipe is teh same length unlike the stock log style manifold...but i jsut want to gauge interest before i tell the guy to start mocking one up..to make sure it is worth his time...
bigal
So everyone that is interested in one let me know via PM or responding to this post!
bigal
So everyone that is interested in one let me know via PM or responding to this post!
1994 celica GT.....3sgte in a month! all helpers are welcome!!! i live in Plattsburgh, NY.
same length doesn't always equal more hp...same length is more important on an NA car then it is on a F/I car.....plus just saying "these will defenitly gain hp" without even having a dumby manifold or a flow chart, or a dyno....proves useless
well these manifolds are also a lot less restrictive then the stock manifolds, therefore making them more efficient..
Bigal
Bigal
1994 celica GT.....3sgte in a month! all helpers are welcome!!! i live in Plattsburgh, NY.
how do you know that?....stock manifold can support 400whp...(more then ANYONE on this site)
i'm not trying to supress your idea, i'm pushing for real facts and R&D not someone saying well it will work my a$$ dyno thinks so
i'm not trying to supress your idea, i'm pushing for real facts and R&D not someone saying well it will work my a$$ dyno thinks so
just because people have made 400 whp on the stock manifold doesnt make that manifold better.. if your making 400 whp on the stock manifold chances are youll make more with the exact setup + a tubular manifold.
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ohh, dont get me wrong, a properly designed manifold, WILL make more power than the cast stock manifold.
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one of those crappy ebay ones are not gonna help ya.
for 99.9% of us, i just cant see putting 900-1200$ into a REAL manifold, when the stock one is more than adequate.
and if you want to see a REAL manifold, check out the one full-race makes.
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just because people have made 400 whp on the stock manifold doesnt make that manifold better.. if your making 400 whp on the stock manifold chances are youll make more with the exact setup + a tubular manifold.
just because people have made 400 whp on the stock manifold doesnt make that manifold better.. if your making 400 whp on the stock manifold chances are youll make more with the exact setup + a tubular manifold.
ohh, dont get me wrong, a properly designed manifold, WILL make more power than the cast stock manifold.
BUT
one of those crappy ebay ones are not gonna help ya.
for 99.9% of us, i just cant see putting 900-1200$ into a REAL manifold, when the stock one is more than adequate.
and if you want to see a REAL manifold, check out the one full-race makes.
Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
i agree manny, i was merely commenting to make sure people werent thinking that log > tubular because stock > SSautocrap
i also never said that the stock manifold was the best there was for the motor either....full-race will defenitly out perform a stock one...but if all your doing is bending tubes to a cool shape and claiming sum BS number well then thats no good..an improper design (like the one on your car brian) acts like a radiator releasing heat temperature (energy) from the exhaust gases...this causes a power loss..not much but it does...hotter gases = better spool and kinetic energy..with proper design, materials and labor a tubular manifold can be beneficial over the stock...but you can't claim anything (like someone already did) without actually producing 1 and testing it...thats all i'm sayin if your not totally power oriented and you want some bling then by all means its fine...but if your function over form then there is a difference
id like to see dyno tests of the ssautocrap vs stock, id think the ssautocrap would win to be honest.
IMO its the quality that is flawed..
IMO its the quality that is flawed..
Less restriction in a force induced car = HP gain...simple as that! These manifolds take this kid atleast 15 labor to make them becuase he is so intricate with each length and it is made out of high grade stainless steel...furthermore the steel he uses helps retains the heat to create a faster spool (without jeopardizing teh integrity of the steel). I am planning on buying one for my car and once i do i will prove that it does make a difference.
Bigal
Bigal
1994 celica GT.....3sgte in a month! all helpers are welcome!!! i live in Plattsburgh, NY.
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actually, it HAS been tested.
berk tech makes basicly the identical manifold to the ones ssautocrap sells.
there was a small gain, atributed to a rise in boost level.
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youll be hard-pressed to find stainless bends as thick as the cast manifold, that will hold in heat as well.
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id like to see dyno tests of the ssautocrap vs stock, id think the ssautocrap would win to be honest.
IMO its the quality that is flawed..
id like to see dyno tests of the ssautocrap vs stock, id think the ssautocrap would win to be honest.
IMO its the quality that is flawed..
actually, it HAS been tested.
berk tech makes basicly the identical manifold to the ones ssautocrap sells.
there was a small gain, atributed to a rise in boost level.
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>furthermore the steel he uses helps retains the heat to create a faster spool (without jeopardizing teh integrity of the steel).
youll be hard-pressed to find stainless bends as thick as the cast manifold, that will hold in heat as well.
Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
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like i said.....take it out test it, flow bench it, get it ona dyno then when you can PROVE it flows better, PROVE it retains more heat, and PROVE findings then thats really great...but don't try claiming things before you do that because 1) if your wrong you look like an idiot, 2) someone could potentially end up screwed and you catch the blame for it....oh and BTW just cause you spend 15 hours doesn't mean its top quality...but i'd love to see wat your friend can make and when he's done...test it then come talk about better flow and so forth....you can't claim things will happen without ever having the piece made...
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id like to see dyno tests of the ssautocrap vs stock, id think the ssautocrap would win to be honest.
IMO its the quality that is flawed..
id like to see dyno tests of the ssautocrap vs stock, id think the ssautocrap would win to be honest.
IMO its the quality that is flawed..
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QUOTE(bigal004321 @ May 18, 2006 - 9:24 PM) [snapback]435511[/snapback]
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Less restriction in a force induced car = HP gain...simple as that! These manifolds take this kid atleast 15 labor to make them becuase he is so intricate with each length and it is made out of high grade stainless steel...furthermore the steel he uses helps retains the heat to create a faster spool (without jeopardizing teh integrity of the steel). I am planning on buying one for my car and once i do i will prove that it does make a difference.
Bigal
Less restriction in a force induced car = HP gain...simple as that! These manifolds take this kid atleast 15 labor to make them becuase he is so intricate with each length and it is made out of high grade stainless steel...furthermore the steel he uses helps retains the heat to create a faster spool (without jeopardizing teh integrity of the steel). I am planning on buying one for my car and once i do i will prove that it does make a difference.
Bigal
like i said.....take it out test it, flow bench it, get it ona dyno then when you can PROVE it flows better, PROVE it retains more heat, and PROVE findings then thats really great...but don't try claiming things before you do that because 1) if your wrong you look like an idiot, 2) someone could potentially end up screwed and you catch the blame for it....oh and BTW just cause you spend 15 hours doesn't mean its top quality...but i'd love to see wat your friend can make and when he's done...test it then come talk about better flow and so forth....you can't claim things will happen without ever having the piece made...
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forgetting about some gt-4 on this site huh?
Anyways, Bigal have your friend estimate a ballpark price for these assuming he would get alot of buyers.
Then you guys can test one and if price=quality&gains i see potenital to make alot of $$$ since there isn't many (2 or 3?) options for 3sgte manifold.
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how do you know that?....stock manifold can support 400whp...(more then ANYONE on this site)
how do you know that?....stock manifold can support 400whp...(more then ANYONE on this site)
forgetting about some gt-4 on this site huh?
Anyways, Bigal have your friend estimate a ballpark price for these assuming he would get alot of buyers.
Then you guys can test one and if price=quality&gains i see potenital to make alot of $$$ since there isn't many (2 or 3?) options for 3sgte manifold.
QUOTE(tufy @ Jul 19, 2006 - 7:40 AM) [snapback]458074[/snapback]i dont drive fast, i just fly low