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BF Goodrich gForce-KDW, i think.

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If so then the max boost is not the problem, but rather the speed of boost increase. And if so, then rpm dependent boost controllers should make a big difference...

I nominate this thread for sticky.

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Cool Lets keep the good info coming (traction related that is...)

A few great links for people who want to know about everything about differentials

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pa...rential_101.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_slip_differential
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential6.htm

Boost controllers with rpm/tps/speed inputs :

TurboSmart E-Boost - http://www.turbosmart.com.au/index.php?id=42
A'PEXi AVCR - http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electroni...d=200&pageNum=1
Blitz SBC-iColor - http://www.blitz-performance.com/Blitz_SBC_iColor.htm
Greddy Profec E-01 - http://www.greddy.com/prod_profecE01.htm

And link to the group buy feeler, join in if you would be seriously interested so Jay's buddy can start making those
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...=0&#entry437529

This post has been edited by CilverSeliST205: May 24, 2006 - 3:04 PM

Here is the Full-Race Article on traction bars:

Traction Bar Article

interesting reading, guys.
jay, how will this bolt to our cars?
im very interested to see where exactly this will bolt to, and how it will sit in the car.

Racelogic Traction Control - the Supra guys swear by it.

In regards to the racelogic traction control.

I spoke with the local distributor in Australia. Parts + Fitting = AUD$2900 (approx US$2150)

These things sound HOT!

The unit works by reading the wheel speeds sensors in the ABS setup (very easy to add the sonsor if you don't have ABS). It reads in 1/1000 second intervals so it is very responsive. When it detects a slip from the wheels speed sonsor, it skips an injector cycle (for all intents let just say this is like a misfire, but without the fuel).

The greatest thing about the unit is not only do you have 0% slip, 10% slip, 20% slip etc settings for the traction control buts you also get 2 other awesome features thrown in.

1. Launch Control (check out the racelogic site for the supra drag vid) Maintains a preset rev level for rising of boost prior to launch.

2. Flat shifting. a switch on the clutch pedal recognises the clutch is depressed, and limits the rev to a preset level with your foot still flat on the throttle (maintaining boost)

So whilst it seams pretty bloddy expensive, all 3 features make it a solution worth saving for, for my setup.

Torque Damper (AKA Engine Damper) - I read somewhere that it is a way better alternative to stiffening motor mounts, because it has all the positives without the negatives (excessive vibration). I also read somewhere that kids in japan with budget fwd project cars will use just about any damper (for ex. bicycle or hatch) and custom fit it with little fabrication skill. Anyways here is short description of what torque damper is and what benefits it provides, from Ingalls website:
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As far as I know there is no dampers for 6gc but I would love to see someone attempt to custom make one.

This post has been edited by CilverSeliST205: Jun 12, 2006 - 1:10 PM

those "stiffy's" are pretty universal...all you need is a bit of common sense and some sheet metal/bolt and you can mount it...probably a pretty easy application

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hrmmm...imma look into this somemore.. good stuff guys! keep it coming!
thinking about this abit more...(and after seeing the price..340$!!!) in the alltrac, it basicly has a torque bar going from the engine to the frame on the passanger side of the engine...i wonder how much somthing like that would help..that wouldnt be too hard to fabricate either....
JEFFFFFFF?????!?!?!

ive been thinking about adding an alltrac like torque bar to my motor, forever now.


you guys remember that really nice blue supra from the meets? he added one of those torque bars onto his car (similar to the pic above). he said he used something really cheap that he found on ebay and just had to custom fit it to work. ill have to ask him some more details about it next time i see him.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/INFINITI-AL...072718885QQrdZ1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PROJECTSILV...bayphotohosting

here is antoher one that might work . we would just need to figure out the measurements to make sure it will work for us

well with pretty much any shock...given a few hours i could come up with a bracket to place it in the right spot depends where you want to mount it though...firewall, strut housing?

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I wouldn't mount a torque bar to the strut housing...LOL.

the bar should go in the same factory location as the stock alltrac one does. seeing as how the factory one is just a solid piece of metal, this would be a cool project/product for jeff, DG, or anyone else that can weld. it would also be a lot cheaper then anything on ebay.

fyi ... we cant use the factory alltrac one because its too short for our 6th gens.

you can see it in this pic. its connected to the top of the altinator bracket.



This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 12, 2006 - 2:39 PM

What I find strange is that there isn't one on the ST205 engine. You should expect if they further evolve the engine a part like that is taken into consideration?!

I think it would be better to mount a torque bar underneath the car and near the center of the engine. BTW, if you have poly mounts, I doubt that the addition of a torque bar is going to show any material improvement.

A torque bar serves the same purpose as poly mounts. Traction bars, which will be made by Speed Source for our cars, are different.

For you guys with filled mounts, is there a significant increase in vibration over standard? Noticeable reduction of wheel hop? I was thinking about getting mine filled...

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I had alot of vibration when I first put them in, now its almost normal. I still get wheel hop with the new mounts, just at the track though. Maybe its the VHT.

ive noticed my filled mount starting to "chunk" out...wheelhop was still there, even with the mount, just not as bad...
it is getting worse again tho, maybe its time for another mount swap..i think i may try a diffrent filler this time.
the black roofing stuff dustin bought that one time seems to work really well..i think imma give one of those mounts a shot, see how it is.

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I read on rsxclub forums that quite a bit of people do torque damper + mounts combo saying that it decreases the wear on mount inserts and allows them to go on softer filler to maintain comfortable ride while still greatly reducing the wheel hop. Maybe you guys' inserts wouldn't need to be replaced so often with the use of that damper ?

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sorry i was brain farting on terminology....i ment the same place where we mount the strut bar too....the frame/shell watever you want to call it is strong enough and i've seen on a few cars placed there...

but the way i see it is that the torque bars are ment to stop forward and backward movement so why not mount 1/2 on the back firewall that attach on each side of the motor? or sumthing of that nature

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The factory all-trac piece just stiffens the mount on that side of the motor, it doesn't actually reduce engine movement, as far as I've seen. Are you sure you are correct that the part you pointed out actually is an engine damper?

-Charlie

Its funny you guys mention the engine damper because i was thinking about yesterday. But what do you guys think about running a turbo xs dual stage boost controller? heres their description: Turbo xs dual stage - Its somewhere in the middle

"Dual Stage Boost Controller (BC-DSBC) US$249.00
The Dual Stage Boost Controller allows you to switch between two preset boost levels with the flip of a switch from inside the car. Got a high horsepower Front Wheel Drive turbocharged car that can't get off the line? Use the BC-DSBC to launch the car with low boost than switch to the second stage higher boost level for maximum top end power. "




I got mine in yesterday so ill post about my experience with it once installed. i paid 190 shipped for mine

This post has been edited by eggman40: Jun 13, 2006 - 3:23 PM

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Unless the button is on the steering wheel, it will not help to have a dual stage boost controller if you are looking to use the first stage to reduce wheel spin on a WOT pull. Everything happens too fast. I have the Greddy Profec B Type I which has dual settings but the unit is dash mounted. There is NO WAY I could change settings in the middle of a WOT pull - it flat out would not be safe.

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mine chunked out too. seems filling them last about 1 yr and then you have to redo them .

just wait a few weeks. we are going to have some proper poly inserts made for our cars. my motor mounts are being used as a prototype, but its going to take a few more week for them to start being made and sold.

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do you think that insert will work with a JDM rear mount?

it will work for any car using GT front and rear mounts.

he also has alltrac inserts and ones for the mr2. so when its all done, i bet you can mix and match what you need.

This 500whp SRT4 uses AVCR to control boost per RPM for better traction, no wheel spin in first on hard launch, little chirp in 2nd and 3rd :

SRT4 Forums

Lots of people on these forums are ignorant as hell so the thread is informationless other than this:

"constanly monitor tire spin anywhere through the RPM range in each gear , and dial it a little up or down either way , to find the exact spot where traction was present without tire spin."

"need to retune AVCR every time tire wears out to give in for more slip"

Just FYI

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Reading that thread makes me appreciate the 6gc community even more. A$$holes.