you wouldn't need a floor pan or a custom drive shaft, just use the st205 shaft, and just the trunk pan has to be clearenced.

Steve

Might be cheeper to go custom with the drive shaft.... not exactly sure yet.

I dont know if its worth it or not. I would like to talk to celiman and see how he or his dad did it. If I can figure out the floor pan its just the rear end and rear suspension I would have to worry, I should call jarco today and see how much they w ould charge me if they could get all the parts if not them anyone have any suggestions?

celiman did it by choping out all the parts of the '4 he needed and welding them into the chassis.
with a fuel cell.

Just see if you can get a rear cut...

Steve

>

Are you not the person that has gone through 3 trannys in a short amount of time? ...figure out those bugs b 4 taking on such a HUGE project!

Snaps I appreciate that. And I appreciate you trying to help me. But big projects.... I duno if I can handle them or not. I am also the guy who took On Putting in a 3sgte + a e153 tranny myself!!! I dont know if I can handle this.. I might need you to hold my hand while I try this? Maybe you can help me install a 15-25 hp speed chip thats in your car.

>

Firstly, I was just posting a comment about you solving your tranny issues before you try other bigger things. It is completely logical. And for you to come back with such a smart a** comment. Not cool.

Props for doing your 3sgte and e153 tranny yourself, but that does by no means justify your ability for a AWD conversion. Read this thread over a few times to see what i mean.

oh, and about the hp chip: I'd be glad to help you install it, but you'd get more hp from installing a front mount intercooler on your 3sgte ---> also, the chip does nothing, I’ll be the first to tell you. Just so happens that I was naive and thought it might a long time ago, so I thought I’d give it a shot, we all had those times.

~snapshotgt

edit: I'm not going to reply to any "comeback" post. This thread does not need to be ruined like that.

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: May 31, 2006 - 9:39 PM

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thank you snapshotgt. we need to keep clean. we want other people to learn NOT to learn how to, you know. thanks guys. and thanks everyone for commenting about the AWD. it's very informative.

Hey guys

Can't really see the point of going through the expense and time constraits of doing an AWD conversion and turbo conversion. Why not just buy a ST205 GT4 straight out. You know factory is always the way to go! Just my 2 cents.

the only legal one that i know of is $16,500, and it needs a clutch.
it is so hard to get one here, then get it legal! sheesh...

Steve

>

We did not get any gt4's here in the US, so the people that live here in the US are trying to see how they could fab one...BUT, you guys in Europe have it great! Just go buy a real one!

it is so sad we did not get any here

~snap

Did anyone ever attempt to use alltrac drivetrain to do awd conversion? How much harder would it be? Is it even possible?

>
the 5th gen subframe is narrower than the 6th gen.

actually hes talking about the one silver gt4 that was imported to the us in florida. I cant believe that guy brought the price down more. I tried to beat a better deal out of him and he wouldnt do it. If that car needed a new clutch no biggy.

>
It really isn't a biggie, and it is acutally a good price, but how many others are there for sale in the us that are legal, acutally how many period..i know of two.

another thing, i know someone that has an alltrac that he imported and made it legal, he has atleast $16,000 into it, mostly importing and to get it legalized..plus it wasn't a walk in the park.

Steve

dude that guy down in florida his car isnt legal. A guy from here in pittsburgh took a look at it and said it doesnt have a legal vin.

first things first, all this talk about floor pan is driving me crazy.
the tunnel for the shaft already exists in our cars so the driveshaft fits perfectly in there. the only problem i had with the shaft part of the swap was the fabrication for the shaft mounts. they took alot of time to make and figure out. the exhaust can just follow the driveshaft right down the tunnel.

as for the rear end, all i did was just cut out the spare tire well, and fabricated a holder for the fuel cell. you could also just use a piece of sheet metal if you would like to use the st205 fuel tank.

the rear sub frame was a totally different story. the back two mounting brackets on the 205 rear end line up perfectly with the existing holes. mounts just need to be made because the 205 sub frame sits differently in the car. just make sure everything is straight. also i couldnt use the 205 rear sway bar cuz it wouldnt fit, so i had to buy an aftermarket straight one to make evrything fit.

i got very lucky on mine cuz when i bought my front clip, it came with everything that i needed. including full drive shaft, complete rear sub frame, etc. that cost me about $4500.

dont under estimate all of the little things that could possibly be missing cuz that adds up very very fast. i wanna say there had to be at least $1000 in petty little things that i needed.

oh ya, good luck finding rims to fit over the huge breaks that come w/ 205 stuff. i had to have gone through at least 3 sets of rims, shipping back and forth, untill i finally found a set that fit. and i still only have about an 8th of an inch clearance between the rim and the caliper.

the biggest problem that im having now is getting replacment parts for the car. everything has to come from the UK and none of its cheap by any means. if something breaks or if there is a prob with something, im pretty much screwed untill i spend the big money and get the part. anything can go at any time.

all in all it had to have cost me prob about $8000 to finish the swap completely. (if not more).
the swap is not at all easy but it is possible. good luck.
if i think of anything else i'll post it.

Hey if the floor pan is good without being modified then that makes things a little easier. Still thinking of doing this just not sure yet.

its not as hard as everyone is saying it is. the majority of people that are saying its hard do not have a gt4 and have no really looked nor attempted the swap. and as for the people that have tried and failed, ask them if they knew what they were getting into to begin with? they most likely didnt.

talked to my chassis guy, said no problem! im going with a fuel cell becuase im putting a cage in it.
now ill i need to find is a fiberglass hatch with lexan.....

Steve

> post Jun 2, 2006 - 6:15 PM
> '96 ST Hatchback

U have not updated with AWD ? :-)

> From connecticut

> as for the rear end, all i did was just cut out the spare tire well,
> and fabricated a holder for the fuel cell. you could also just use a piece of sheet metal
> if you would like to use the st205 fuel tank.

No one wants to use an ST205 gas tank, or try a US alltrac one ?
Hard to find, or too expensive ? I guess that is where a rear
clip would be worthwhile ? :-0

> i got very lucky on mine cuz when i bought my front clip,
> it came with everything that i needed.
> that cost me about $4500.

So $4,500 for parts ?

> dont under estimate all of the little things that could possibly be missing
> cuz that adds up very very fast. i wanna say there had to be at least $1000
> in petty little things that i needed.

Yah it helps to be a little pessimistic ?

> oh ya, good luck finding rims to fit over the huge breaks that come w/ 205 stuff. i

The brakes are That big ?

> the biggest problem that im having now is getting replacment parts for the car.
> everything has to come from the UK and none of its cheap by any means.

No luck at US dealers, I have heard some stock them ?
There are several 3rd gen swaps into MR2, so there is demand
for engine parts.

> all in all it had to have cost me prob about $8000 to finish the swap completely.

That is for Just parts ? How much time did you put in ?
Your time is free to you. I am curious what a shop would charge by the hour ? :-(

> (if not more).

Probaby the cost is always More. :-(

> the swap is not at all easy but it is possible. good luck.

I saw your car at the Colt State park meet in RI.
Very nice job. Glad it turned out so well !
I hope More people try and succed with the swap.

Regards;
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thanks Gman.

$4,500 was just for the front clip.

the brakes are pretty big. the problem was how far they stuck out from the mounting surface.

as for the time that i put in........i lost track. i was trying to add up all the hours but i lost it about 1/4 of the way into the project. i worked on it every weekend for about, i wanna say 6 or 7 months.

Another 1 I love to se work like this done ....I was gonna do it but i went 5sgte that more than enough for me now. I was gonna go with a st185 & scrap the whole car i was gonna get the car for $1500 running but rusted down (New York) good job guys hope to hear good things!!!!