Shocker

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ok ive been researching and a 3stge is out of the question....so im not sure what engine to get for my st.

4age silvertop
4age black top
or the 4agze
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or should i just turbocharge it

also any info you think i should need be sure and include that..

also how much horsepower does the black top have.. i havent really seen any definate answeres.. and when i get more money can i turbo or supercharge either one of the 4age..

i need help and this kind of stuff is fairly new to me...

i just went to the track the other night and people were doggin on my celica...i wasnt even racing but i wanna show these kids up show em how a beautiful car can showem its beautiful behind on the track..
most of em are hondas and integras...blah




This post has been edited by Shocker: Jun 27, 2006 - 6:23 AM

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playr158

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silvertop = boostable
blacktop(180hp i think)= NA monster
4agze is supercharged 160whp i believe

jdg371

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I would go with a rebuilt 4AGZE and mated with a sc14 (Previa S/C) 12psi pulley and some type of fine tuning.. with that you should get around 220-230whp

Shocker

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im also seeing somthing about adding the 16valve head form the 4age to the 7afe...whats that about???? is it better than the swap

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j0e_p3t

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personally, i'd get the blacktop. but that's cuz this is my daily driver so i don't really wanna deal with the gas mileage and maintenance of a turbo-charged engine. plus its a pretty powerful na engine at 165 hp stock compared to our weak 110 hp. should have no problem taking on (some) ricer hondas.

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jdg371

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im also seeing somthing about adding the 16valve head form the 4age to the 7afe...whats that about???? is it better than the swap

ahh a 7AGE I believe those have a potential to get 130hp or so..
I saw a dyno sheet once.. and it produced 126whp

Shocker

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ahh a 7AGE I believe those have a potential to get 130hp or so..
I saw a dyno sheet once.. and it produced 126whp
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mmmmmm....doesnt really seem worth it to .........

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jdg371

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If you end up turbo'n it youll achive a better HP since its a 1.8

nik

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THE HORSE POWER RATING WILL CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT 4AG HEAD/PISTONS YOU USE

SMALL PORT AE92/ETC HEAD
BIG PORT AE86/MR2/ETC HEAD
SLIVER 20V HEAD AE-101/ETC
BLACK 20V HEAD AE-111/ETC

IF YOU WANT TO STAY N/A AND GO 7AGE THAN I WOULD SAY GO SILVER TOP + PISTONS

IF YOU WANT TO GO 7AGTE THAN >>IMAO>> I WOULD GO BIG PORT WHICH HAS MORE SUPPORT FOR PARTS AND CHEAPER PRICE THAN 20V DO

OTHER WISE GO 4AGZE WHICH IS BUILT FOR BOOST AND SLAP A TURBO ON THERE
OR SILVER HEAD LOW BOOST (IF YOU NOT TOUCH THE INTERNALS)

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yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte

DomGT

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7AFTE, I'll be starting soon.

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WH95TE

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Prices and hp estimates for some of this stuff? I need more power from my ST but don't think i'll be getting the 3sgte swap.

This post has been edited by WH95TE: Jun 27, 2006 - 2:46 PM

DomGT

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I haven't starting buying but I've done most of my research. I'm looking at $1k for parts including a badass turbo (not big, just badass).

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Shocker

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alright thanks guys...ive got abuddy who will be wilkling to help me with the 4agze and says with some add ons and a bit of tweeking he can probably me get around 250 hp and maby run 7s in the 1/8 mile..which i will be happy with...and when i get more funds we can turbo it to get quuite a bit more.

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soulshadow

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I would stick with the 4A series that don't have VVT. Support is very expensive and rare to find for the models with VVT. Full race cams for the 4a ST runs up to 1K$ on Toda, and Pistons and stuff run high.
Most people who built there silvertops went back and relied on the 4agze engine for parts to boost high.

If your looking for boost go with the 4agze at least you can go to autozone and buy a water pump for it, but im not too sure on the swap part tho on the celica.
Its pretty cool to say that you got a supercharger on you celica!

Shocker

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yea does any one here have a supercharged celica...........wow if not i would be the only one........amaizing a i can see it now...attention all a a 6gc first a supercharged celica by shocker...lol
then everyone would say not really cuase its from the corrola...
o well ...ill be happy..i am finding it to be kinda hard finding swap info on it for the celica..if any one could help with that... all i know is that it may be a small delay becuase of the wiring harness issue

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jdg371

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I think someone else did a GZE.. I believe they had alot of problems with wiring

nik

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if you dont want to mess with 2 harness maybe go standalone

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yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte

jdg371

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SDS seems like a good one for boosted applications

a 86 Supra with a 2JZGTE is using it here locally.. I think he has the SDS EFI something

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nik

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SDS seems like a good one for boosted applications

a 86 Supra with a 2JZGTE is using it here locally.. I think he has the SDS EFI something

im also using SDS on my on my 312 whp 7AGTE

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Shocker

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ok.........ive got a freind thats assured me he can take care of this swap for me... seems to think he can get it going good...i guess i can trust him since he used to be with toyota and used to have a killer supra.. i might have to buy a digital camra just to take pics of the swap..im sure you guys and gals would like that.

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WH95TE

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Where do you find engines to do these swaps?

edit: Where can I find parts to do the 7age? Are junk yards any good?

This post has been edited by WH95TE: Jun 29, 2006 - 12:24 AM

playr158

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if you dont want to mess with 2 harness maybe go standalone

won't you still need 2 harness's anyways?

cause its where the engine harness meets the fusebox/body harness that creates the issue...

so either way you still need to do a harness splice..

nik

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if you dont want to mess with 2 harness maybe go standalone

won't you still need 2 harness's anyways?

cause its where the engine harness meets the fusebox/body harness that creates the issue...

so either way you still need to do a harness splice..

NOPE if you go standalone it will control all your engine needs and you keep your stock one to control interior stuff thats how mine is set up so all you need is standalone and your existing harness

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Where do you find engines to do these swaps?

edit: Where can I find parts to do the 7age? Are junk yards any good?

you pretty much need a 4ag full head(manifolds etc) pistons (ones with 20mm wrist pins) and 4ag crank timing gear

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yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte