celicurr

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I wonder if you could drop that 4th gen 3S-GTE into a Matrix AWD...


I believe the 2007 Matrix dropped all the 4X4 models..

yup, 2007 there is no longer an AWD Matrix model

CheesyLobster

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and when is this supposed to be done? I dont think there are any 4gen members on this site, and i'd like to see for certain how this goes.

good luck piro and dr.

lagos

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I wonder if you could drop that 4th gen 3S-GTE into a Matrix AWD...


I believe the 2007 Matrix dropped all the 4X4 models..

yup, 2007 there is no longer an AWD Matrix model

i have an awd matrix. they only come in automatics and they have the 1zz motor, so it wouldnt be a direct swap.

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easternpiro1

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and when is this supposed to be done? I dont think there are any 4gen members on this site, and i'd like to see for certain how this goes.

good luck piro and dr.

im going to be dropping it off in the beginning of september (around the 5th) thanks lobster

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zipstrips

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I wonder if you could drop that 4th gen 3S-GTE into a Matrix AWD...


I believe the 2007 Matrix dropped all the 4X4 models..

id love to come across a cheap 4x4 matrix to swap too.....

Punisher

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I laugh at this thread. No one has even brought up any ideas on WHY the 4th gen makes more power than the previous gens. Frankly to me it is very obvious. I also don't see where you guys are getting 260hp from.. that dyno showed 232... A 2nd gen with a FMIC can make near that power.

The reasons the 4th gen makes more power is because of a far superior intake manifold design and a better turbo.. also no AFM helps to free up the intake tract and the ignition system is a bit more robust, plus better ecu maps for ign./fuel.

I've also heard that the exhaust manifold on the 4th gen is actually molded with the head.. as in, the exhaust manifold and head are one piece... I don't know if that is true or not. I do know that the turbo is definitly part of the manifold.

My 2c... get a 2nd gen and build it. Even with that swap, I'd still rape you at the track

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playr158

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the exhaust manifold is NOT part of the head

the turbo and manifold are 1 piece though



just remember bench racing is ghey and for losers

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 25, 2006 - 10:37 PM

WannabeGT4

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Since we're getting into specifics, the later generation of 3SGTEs have a stronger block that can handle upwards of 700hp. The older ones had trouble cracking through the cylinder wall into the water jacket. It's on MR2OC somewhere.

The head and the manifold aren't one piece. The manifold and turbine housing are.

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Punisher

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The head and the manifold aren't one piece. The manifold and turbine housing are.

Thank you for the reiteration of this.

I'm not sure that easternpiro is going to ever push that sort of HP either. So many more things to get into before you consider the blocks strength when you build an uber high horsepower 3s.

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WannabeGT4

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The head and the manifold aren't one piece. The manifold and turbine housing are.

Thank you for the reiteration of this.

No, Thank you.

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Punisher

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The head and the manifold aren't one piece. The manifold and turbine housing are.

Thank you for the reiteration of this.

No, Thank you.

No really, thank you.

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hitcachi

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Thanks "punisher"

^^ ^^


This post has been edited by hitcachi: Aug 26, 2006 - 12:25 AM

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BLADDER_MASTER

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I laugh at this thread. No one has even brought up any ideas on WHY the 4th gen makes more power than the previous gens. Frankly to me it is very obvious. I also don't see where you guys are getting 260hp from.. that dyno showed 232... A 2nd gen with a FMIC can make near that power.

Dyno was done @ 11 psi. Stock run @ 14 psi.

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Since we're getting into specifics, the later generation of 3SGTEs have a stronger block that can handle upwards of 700hp. The older ones had trouble cracking through the cylinder wall into the water jacket.

+1.

Punisher

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I laugh at this thread. No one has even brought up any ideas on WHY the 4th gen makes more power than the previous gens. Frankly to me it is very obvious. I also don't see where you guys are getting 260hp from.. that dyno showed 232... A 2nd gen with a FMIC can make near that power.

Dyno was done @ 11 psi. Stock run @ 14 psi.

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Since we're getting into specifics, the later generation of 3SGTEs have a stronger block that can handle upwards of 700hp. The older ones had trouble cracking through the cylinder wall into the water jacket.

+1.

A stronger block that can handle up to 700hp.. that is really worth the extra money/effort. I know a lot of you guys getting your swaps done by dr.tweak are the type to run that sort of power

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easternpiro1

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nah, i doubt i will be trying to get into the 700s thats rediculous im happy getting past most cars and evos my main concern is replacement parts that wear. i talked to a guy on mr2 and he just said i cant change cam shafts because of a notch on the end. and then i asked him what other parts are interchangeable and he said "some are and some arent" but the engines are mostly the same from gen to gen except the location of turbo and the different ecu. i wanted to see the differences so that i would know what to watch for....

and be nice to each other guys...its just a forum

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lagos

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what kind of shape is this motor in, if its only 300buck more then an st185. normally these sell for a lot more then a 185, so there must be a catch somwhere. im kind of surprised that your buying a motor without ever seeing pics or compression test results from it.

This post has been edited by lagos: Aug 28, 2006 - 2:40 PM

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easternpiro1

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yeah, tweak said he would take a look at it. if somethings wrong with it for that price, i want it returned, but i remember tweak saying it seemed okay. they havent recieved it yet, it should be another couple of days.

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lagos

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yeah, tweak said he would take a look at it. if somethings wrong with it for that price, i want it returned, but i remember tweak saying it seemed okay. they havent recieved it yet, it should be another couple of days.

i would just make sure you, yourself get to see what your getting, find out compression test results , see if the place has a start up warrenty, make sure you only pay with a credit card that has fraud protection etc...etc...etc... you shouldnt really trust anyone in the car/engine business when it comes to stuff like that. . when i was shopping around for my clip, venus auto had an amazing deal on an st205 clip. i almost bought it, untill they finlly sent me the pics of it. it was a nightmare, to say the least. yet they seemed to think the clip was worthy of resale.

the cool factor of having a 3s wears off real quick, but in a year from now, it will be you, all alone, having to deal with anything that goes wrong with the motor. so make you know what your getting and that its in good shape.

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playr158

#49

defenitly as lagos said...
and matt are you saying that havn't gotten the clip from japan?
or that its not at tweeks yet?

easternpiro1

#50

it hasnt gotten to tweak's yet in another day or so and its an engine set which is why it was only a bit more expensive than the st185 clip. still havent found out exactly what is exchangeable on it the guy from mr2oc site hasnt hit me back. have been trying to research it but nothing. and i aggree lagos, if its not somethign that i approve of, or i smell a rat, i will have to send it back not saying that tweak would do that but business is business...

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Punisher

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Personally I wouldn't do it. Most I would go for is ST205... but you are the one paying for all that unknown wiring to get done... I know that ignition parts and even the map sensor for the ST205 can be sourced in the USA off of other USDM toyota's.. and I believe it is phattyduck on this forum who knows what is up with that situation.. IIRC.

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phattyduck

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I've put an ST205 motor in my Camry, but that's not too relevant to this conversation. Most USDM 3s-gte maintenance parts work on the 3rd gen (and I'd assume '4th' gen). Its other replacement parts that get hard to find. Champion Toyota can get 3rd gen parts easy, but the 4th gen path doesn't seem to be often travelled. I got all the correct stock parts for my car and all my sensors worked, so I haven't had to do any troubleshooting yet...

Good luck with the motor!

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easternpiro1

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3sgte link



WELL WELL WELL...look what i found...its interesting....

thanks phattyduck i guess most of the things will fit hopefully, but still it is a big risk involved...the motor should be in soon what do u guys think about that link?

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Aug 29, 2006 - 7:13 PM

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playr158

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well they said that the 4th gen 3sge has direct ignition
and that the "4th gen 3sgte" is more of a 3rd gen V2
i mean you can call it version watever but they only noted the change of the turbo/exhaust manifold is one piece....they never even mentioned it had a direct ignition system like the "4th gen 3sge"
for all easy sake its still a 4th generation 3sgte there are significant obvious changes..ie ignition, turbo, intake manifold ect.

i think there probably more similarities between a 4th gen 3sge and a 4th gen 3sgte then there is the 4th gen 3sgte and the 3rd

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 30, 2006 - 9:59 AM

hitcachi

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well they said that the 4th gen 3sge has direct ignition
and that the "4th gen 3sgte" is more of a 3rd gen V2
i mean you can call it version watever but they only noted the change of the turbo/exhaust manifold is one piece....they never even mentioned it had a direct ignition system like the "4th gen 3sge"
for all easy sake its still a 4th generation 3sgte there are significant obvious changes..ie ignition, turbo, intake manifold ect.

Cause toysport is noOb.

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easternpiro1

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well they said that the 4th gen 3sge has direct ignition
and that the "4th gen 3sgte" is more of a 3rd gen V2
i mean you can call it version watever but they only noted the change of the turbo/exhaust manifold is one piece....they never even mentioned it had a direct ignition system like the "4th gen 3sge"
for all easy sake its still a 4th generation 3sgte there are significant obvious changes..ie ignition, turbo, intake manifold ect.

i think there probably more similarities between a 4th gen 3sge and a 4th gen 3sgte then there is the 4th gen 3sgte and the 3rd

your right dan, i found it a bit odd that they didnt mention that, but for what its worth, im thinking that the wear parts will be interchangeable (belts hoses etc) i may be wrong but the ignition and manifold shoulnt be much of a malfunction problem? its maintenance that im concerned about the most.

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playr158

#57

maintenance wise like i've mentioned before

coilpacks are expensive and take awhile to get but they are a good piece overall (they can break easily so becarefull with them)

belts and hoses shouldn't be an issue really cause you can always find universal belts and hoses of the correct size

timing belt might be the same that would be good

Herbalife

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Hi all, Just joining up and following the threads....i have a 2000 Caldina GT-T equipped with the ST-215....most parts (except the obvious, like the coils) are common between the ST-205 and ST-215....belts, gaskets should work on both...
I'm currently doing a little upgrading here and there, but haven't really encountered any hiccups except for the exhaust manifold which is GOING TO LEAK AT SOME POINT IN TIME ( it comes with 7 holes for bolting it to the head....the head itself has provision for 8 studs, but comes with seven...go figure...the upper hole for cylinder #1 has no stud to go over.....its just...there..)

Aside from this, the engine/car performs flawlessly....Currently at 330whp / 310lb./ft.

lagos

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Hi all, Just joining up and following the threads....i have a 2000 Caldina GT-T equipped with the ST-215....most parts (except the obvious, like the coils) are common between the ST-205 and ST-215....belts, gaskets should work on both...
I'm currently doing a little upgrading here and there, but haven't really encountered any hiccups except for the exhaust manifold which is GOING TO LEAK AT SOME POINT IN TIME ( it comes with 7 holes for bolting it to the head....the head itself has provision for 8 studs, but comes with seven...go figure...the upper hole for cylinder #1 has no stud to go over.....its just...there..)

Aside from this, the engine/car performs flawlessly....Currently at 330whp / 310lb./ft.

any chance you can take some detailed pics of you motor and post them up in a new thread?

what mods do you have done to the motor? do you know what size injectors it comes with stock?

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Herbalife

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Hi all, Just joining up and following the threads....i have a 2000 Caldina GT-T equipped with the ST-215....most parts (except the obvious, like the coils) are common between the ST-205 and ST-215....belts, gaskets should work on both...
I'm currently doing a little upgrading here and there, but haven't really encountered any hiccups except for the exhaust manifold which is GOING TO LEAK AT SOME POINT IN TIME ( it comes with 7 holes for bolting it to the head....the head itself has provision for 8 studs, but comes with seven...go figure...the upper hole for cylinder #1 has no stud to go over.....its just...there..)

Aside from this, the engine/car performs flawlessly....Currently at 330whp / 310lb./ft.

any chance you can take some detailed pics of you motor and post them up in a new thread?

what mods do you have done to the motor? do you know what size injectors it comes with stock?

Pics to come later (as soon as i can find the digicam..lol)
Engine comes with 540cc injectors....i'm currently running :

880cc injectors


This post has been edited by Herbalife: Feb 10, 2007 - 8:29 PM