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BLADDER_MASTER
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Oct 25, 2006 - 1:29 AM) [snapback]495834[/snapback]
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I've got a none Cali spec GT, and I'm guessing something like 150-155 at the crank with what I have. Don't let these guys destroy your desire to mod your car. There are things you can do to actually get hp. But remember, it's not all about hp. Unless your drag racing your car, and even then, there are so many other variables that need to be taken into consideration. I may only be 15 to 20hp over stock, but I will run much quicker times due to the throttle response and handling characteristics.

A lot of people think it's just hilarious to see "noobs" come around trying to build there NA 4 bangers. What I think is funny is someone dumping 6 grand on a new motor or turbo set up, running some 200+ hp and losing to that NA car at the track because he/she out shifts and drives the turbo car. Does that mean if I had the money I wouldn't swap or turbo? No, it does not. And I know even if I did I would get walked on at the track by skilled drivers in almost stock ST Celica's and the dreaded D16 Civics. My point is, hp isn't all it’s made out to be.


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trd94
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Oct 25, 2006 - 1:29 AM) [snapback]495834[/snapback]
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I've got a none Cali spec GT, and I'm guessing something like 150-155 at the crank with what I have. Don't let these guys destroy your desire to mod your car. There are things you can do to actually get hp. But remember, it's not all about hp. Unless your drag racing your car, and even then, there are so many other variables that need to be taken into consideration. I may only be 15 to 20hp over stock, but I will run much quicker times due to the throttle response and handling characteristics.

A lot of people think it's just hilarious to see "noobs" come around trying to build there NA 4 bangers. What I think is funny is someone dumping 6 grand on a new motor or turbo set up, running some 200+ hp and losing to that NA car at the track because he/she out shifts and drives the turbo car. Does that mean if I had the money I wouldn't swap or turbo? No, it does not. And I know even if I did I would get walked on at the track by skilled drivers in almost stock ST Celica's and the dreaded D16 Civics. My point is, hp isn't all it’s made out to be.

i agree i seen a d15 civic kill a gto that was full race with cage and everything but the civi hit the gears right and was the same time every time tongue.gif
Steevo
#63
True. ^



I have been beaten at a friends place, they have a 1/2 mile paved driveway, with a old chevy truck. I missed second and the RPM dropped and then I did a 3-2 shift that buried the needle and caused me to almost crap myself. Poor car.
jcbass7
#64
for the record i am not bashing this thread in any means. I myself have done basically all of those same mods on my automatic celi.

More or less my comments have been aimed as a joke towards people with lots of stickers and none of those parts actually in there cars.. (<not bashing the nos air freshner biggrin.gif, but more or less the civics that used to roll into my highschool every morning)

But i do agree on the comment about throttle response and such. Hence the reason i spend a lot of money and time on things like poly motor mounts, brass shift bushings etc. (actually didnt cost much at all lol)

This post has been edited by jcbass7: Oct 25, 2006 - 12:56 PM
94celicadude
#65
well, i have a 94 GT non-cali spec and i have OBX 4-1 headers, full custom CAI and full custom exhaust, new clutch and also about 10 degrees advance timing, now granted my car has 200k on the original engine, i dynoed at 119 to the wheels, so im prob sittin at about stock power at the crank, like 135 crank....just my experience. So 150-155 crank is maybe a bit presumtuous, but i coul be wrong.
1994 GT Hatchback1994 ST Coupe1988 Corolla Wagon All-Trac1999 Corvette2008 Cobalt SS Turbo
jcbass7
#66
what did it cost you to run it on a dyno?

once my swap is in i want to get a baseline so i can compare it as i install parts etc.
trd94
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QUOTE(jcbass7 @ Oct 25, 2006 - 5:58 PM) [snapback]496070[/snapback]
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what did it cost you to run it on a dyno?

once my swap is in i want to get a baseline so i can compare it as i install parts etc.

i am going to run on a dyno this fri and it will cost me $35 and if i want to pay for a hour and have a tech tune it around $125 wink.gif
jcbass7
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QUOTE(trd94 @ Oct 25, 2006 - 7:15 PM) [snapback]496095[/snapback]
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QUOTE(jcbass7 @ Oct 25, 2006 - 5:58 PM) [snapback]496070[/snapback]
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what did it cost you to run it on a dyno?

once my swap is in i want to get a baseline so i can compare it as i install parts etc.

i am going to run on a dyno this fri and it will cost me $35 and if i want to pay for a hour and have a tech tune it around $125 wink.gif



wow thats a lot cheaper than i thought it would be, once i have some different systems installed im sure the tune part will come in handy

but just a straight dyno run for 35 seems like something i wouldnt mind doing relativly often (especially after big upgrades, like full 3 in exhaust, etc.)
Valo666
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Now i feel like hittin the dyno soon. I wanna c what my car is hittin at the wheels.

But back to the whole higher HP doesnt mean faster car argument, HP isnt every thing, and like Bigmean said, you can have a low HP D15 civic, that if driven properly, can beat a fully tuned STI on a track. Around here theres some nice twisty roads that you can hit a pretty good speed on. I can take most of the corners duing around 80KM/H and get from the set of lights near here to the parking lot in about 20seconds..one of the guys in my class has a turboed MX3 and is making around 160whp at 14PSI, he can do the section in 32 seconds. Its all about the driver, not the car or HP.

This post has been edited by Valo666: Oct 25, 2006 - 10:00 PM
rayneezy23
#71
so do the st's and gt's are kinda like the same in like performance and stuff if im wrong which i know but how much is the difference in like acceleration and stuff between the engine just out of curiosity
94celicadude
#72
i paid $75 for three pulls, not tuning just three consecutive pulls, but hey its still worth knowing what the car puts down.
1994 GT Hatchback1994 ST Coupe1988 Corolla Wagon All-Trac1999 Corvette2008 Cobalt SS Turbo
jcbass7
#73
i'd pay 75, like you said its nice to know what she's putting down
Bigmeanbulldog55
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QUOTE(94celicadude @ Oct 25, 2006 - 3:10 PM) [snapback]495996[/snapback]
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well, i have a 94 GT non-cali spec and i have OBX 4-1 headers, full custom CAI and full custom exhaust, new clutch and also about 10 degrees advance timing, now granted my car has 200k on the original engine, i dynoed at 119 to the wheels, so im prob sittin at about stock power at the crank, like 135 crank....just my experience. So 150-155 crank is maybe a bit presumtuous, but i coul be wrong.

If you read my mods, it says right at the top that a good tune up is one of the best modifications. I stand by that. It doesn't matter how free flowing your exhaust is, if you don't have good rings, plug wires, and a clean motor, you just won't do that well. I spend more money keeping the car in good "stock" condition that anything else. I think 150-155 is not at all presumptuous.
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QUOTE(rayneezy23 @ Oct 25, 2006 - 11:40 PM) [snapback]496175[/snapback]
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so do the st's and gt's are kinda like the same in like performance and stuff if im wrong which i know but how much is the difference in like acceleration and stuff between the engine just out of curiosity

I drove Miro's car awhile back, and he has an ST. It was really surprising how little these cars differ. If your not looking for top speed, they are very close. I always thought the GT was a lot better, but it's not. I think there are more options for ST's as far as performance parts. And the 4age swap is easier in them. Right now, I think I would rather have an ST than a GT, if mine didn't come with the SS package.
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x_itchy_b_x
#75
this is a funny thread.
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presure2
#76
JC, the cheapest local dyno in this area is ~60hr...most get 75+ for 3 runs.
if your really interested in getting yours done, gimme a call, i can hook you up with the place that jeff and i dynoed at.
he charges 60$ per hr, unlimited runs.
if you want to log boost as well, its 10$ more.
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jcbass7
#77
when the 3s is on the street i will definatly give you a call smile.gif

i'll be wrenching on it all weekend and hopefully finding that vac leak
mycelicagt
#78
yeah im goin to a 3rd gen 3s that should give me the power i want till i upgrade to a 20g turbo
Bitter
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QUOTE(presure2 @ Oct 26, 2006 - 4:49 PM) [snapback]496469[/snapback]
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JC, the cheapest local dyno in this area is ~60hr...most get 75+ for 3 runs.
if your really interested in getting yours done, gimme a call, i can hook you up with the place that jeff and i dynoed at.
he charges 60$ per hr, unlimited runs.
if you want to log boost as well, its 10$ more.

you guys are spoiled, its about $120-$150 for 3 runs here, tuning is an additional $70-100 an hour.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
presure2
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QUOTE(Bitter @ Oct 27, 2006 - 1:23 PM) [snapback]496804[/snapback]
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QUOTE(presure2 @ Oct 26, 2006 - 4:49 PM) [snapback]496469[/snapback]
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JC, the cheapest local dyno in this area is ~60hr...most get 75+ for 3 runs.
if your really interested in getting yours done, gimme a call, i can hook you up with the place that jeff and i dynoed at.
he charges 60$ per hr, unlimited runs.
if you want to log boost as well, its 10$ more.

you guys are spoiled, its about $120-$150 for 3 runs here, tuning is an additional $70-100 an hour.

yea, we're lucky to have a guy with very fair prices locally.
the price i listed is also with no tuning, ( the guy is a mustang specialist) he gets 125$ per hr to tune the mustang guys.
Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
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