jdg371

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Im starting to collect my suspension for an STS Celica. I will be running my Celica in STS[N] for the winter season [3 different series] Being in STS isn't as easy as GSN was.. haha. Right now my stock springs are getting worn [stupid quick]; I will need a replacement as soon as I get the money [haha] For the autoX fellas out there.. what would you recommend???

Some might read this and not get it.. heres an example

Front XX kg
Rear XX kg


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The only other car I can really base it on are the AE92 Crowd.. although they're lighter [300 I think..] and are more rev happy [Damn their stock 4AGE..] suspension is probably closely related [setup wise]


THANKS!

This post has been edited by jdg371: Nov 21, 2006 - 2:43 PM

jdg371

#2

Someone?

well.. how about TRD springs?? whats their spring rate?? someone has to know!

playr158

#3

i doubt anyone has gotten into tuning their celica that much....talk to ground control..i know they do custom spring rates and can help you decide

jdg371

#4

that sucks. I know theres a couple autocrossers out here.. tho.

Kwanza26

#5

Rates are tuned more to drivers... and not necessarily to cars. I personally like very stiff rear springs (8-10kg) when reacing and softer fronts (~6kg)... There are also other things like dampning and stuff... but strictly springs and autoX... all depends on what class you're trying to run in. Too much suspension work and you end up in a class you don't belong.

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jdg371

#6

I have been moved to GS- I can run either Open class or Street Tire..
In either class. I would be better off running the course..

I will move to STS after the winter season. So research will be done [so will the $ issues.. ]

In STS I can do plenty of suspension modifications.. NO Engine MODs.. with the exception of header, intake, pulleys.

My priority is to get a set of adjustable struts and stiff springs.. probably 325 front/ 450-475 rear and match it with some KYB AGX.

after I destroy my current tires.. I will get some 205/50 Azenis

Then off to get some front and rear strut bars, and rear sway.

If I feel rich [or have the money.. LOL] I will grab some camber plates. Suggestions on what to get? Or what not to get..

I will be basing my adjustment to similar FWDs

purplegt4

#7

tein:

front: 7
rear: 5

trd:

front: 8
rear: 6

purplegt4

#8

more from trd:

Standard ride height=front -35mm/ rear -15mm

Recommend ride height when driving in circuit
=front -50mm/rear -30mm

94celicadude

#9

i currently auto-x my AT200 in STS, i have suspension tech. sway bars, front and rear, eibach pro kit springs, dont know the rate on those, cutom front sway bar, camber adjustment bolts with 1 degree - camber in front and 1.5 degree - camber in rear. those are my only suspension mods, and i was able to take 2nd place in STS in my region this season. Just ended last weekend. For the rest of my mods you can check my profile, but i love the setup i have on the ST coupe, now if ur car is a GT hatch then, more tweaking is required, i have one car of each and the AT200 will outhandle the ST204 anyday, and they both have the EXACT same suspension mods. GT has custom rear strut bar. I think the extra weight from hatch and rear windshield have a lot to do with it, but i dont know for sure. Good luck finding a setup you like.

This post has been edited by 94celicadude: Nov 6, 2006 - 1:03 AM

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Bigmeanbulldog55

#10

My GT seems to be doing well so far. I run STS class as well. Miro, member on here, has a nice ST Celica he autox's. He was first this year in STS. I joined late, but I'm hoping for 1st next year. He has dropzones, and they make his car handle nice. I have a set in my garage I'm putting on Tuesday. I'll let you know in a month after they settle how well they did. You've got to move fast to get ready for next session.

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jdg371

#11

cool. never knew we had soo many people that autocross. I ended at umm top 10 in the novice with 3 events [6 total events]

Bigmeanbulldog55

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cool. never knew we had soo many people that autocross. I ended at umm top 10 in the novice with 3 events [6 total events]

Good job. These Celica's are great for autoX. I'm wondering which of the GT and ST are the better. My buddy with the ST says it's better due to wieght (see topic in general discussion), but he admits that the GT definately has more power. But, is it really enough to overcome the weight advantage? It's almost a 5sfe vs 7sfe question. There aren't many 6gc'ers who race autoX, they all want to talk about drag racing and peak hp. You all know who you are. If you're talking nothing but peak hp, you're not in it for the driving, just the bragging rights. That's why I fear no 3sgte at the track. But, that goes against my GT being better than the ST. I can't wate to start the new session, I'm going to try for 1st this year.

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jdg371

#13

The extra power does not compensate for the weight. Having a light weight ST fairs better. For begginers [like me] The 100hp that my 7AFE throws out is enough. maybe even plenty. When the time comes that I learn the Celica's reaction to any situation.. then maybe more power would be needed. I still need to work on my driving more than anything else

purplegt4

#14

get a simulator. haha

jdg371

#15

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i currently auto-x my AT200 in STS, i have suspension tech. sway bars, front and rear, eibach pro kit springs, dont know the rate on those, cutom front sway bar, camber adjustment bolts with 1 degree - camber in front and 1.5 degree - camber in rear. those are my only suspension mods, and i was able to take 2nd place in STS in my region this season. Just ended last weekend. For the rest of my mods you can check my profile, but i love the setup i have on the ST coupe, now if ur car is a GT hatch then, more tweaking is required, i have one car of each and the AT200 will outhandle the ST204 anyday, and they both have the EXACT same suspension mods. GT has custom rear strut bar. I think the extra weight from hatch and rear windshield have a lot to do with it, but i dont know for sure. Good luck finding a setup you like.

Im getting the stock setup for the ST and GTs today at Toyota.. I need some help finding out an agressive stance for my car in STS.

Kwanza26

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tein:

front: 7
rear: 5

trd:

front: 8
rear: 6

Where'd you get these numbers? Those are awfully stiff spring rates...

tein S-techs are roughly 3.2kg/mm fronts and about 2kg/mm rears

I forget TRD's (eibach's) specs... but most of the street kits available aren't that firm... typicall less than 4kg/mm. Springs as firm as 6-8kg/mm usually run about 200.00+ a pair.

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94celicadude

#17

i have both a Gt and St, and i am willing to vouch that the ST coupe handles MUCH better than the GT hatch, and that is with EXACTLY same mods to both of them and using same rims/tire combo, the ST wins all everytime.

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Kwanza26

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i have both a Gt and St, and i am willing to vouch that the ST coupe handles MUCH better than the GT hatch, and that is with EXACTLY same mods to both of them and using same rims/tire combo, the ST wins all everytime.

I agree with this statement regarding to autoX...

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purplegt4

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QUOTE(purplegt4 @ Nov 6, 2006 - 5:12 AM) [snapback]499784[/snapback]

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tein:

front: 7
rear: 5

trd:

front: 8
rear: 6

Where'd you get these numbers? Those are awfully stiff spring rates...

tein S-techs are roughly 3.2kg/mm fronts and about 2kg/mm rears

I forget TRD's (eibach's) specs... but most of the street kits available aren't that firm... typicall less than 4kg/mm. Springs as firm as 6-8kg/mm usually run about 200.00+ a pair.

sorry forgot my works cited part for my post.

these are spring rates for damper kits

tein: http://www.tein.com/ti/l36.html
trd: http://toyota-trd.jp/en/strt/s-heightadjustablesk.html

(spring rates for the damper kits)

Kwanza26

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sorry forgot my works cited part for my post.

these are spring rates for damper kits

tein: http://www.tein.com/ti/l36.html
trd: http://toyota-trd.jp/en/strt/s-heightadjustablesk.html

(spring rates for the damper kits)

Ahh... those are full dampning kits which are basically full shocks and adjustable coilovers... BLING! I thought you meant drop-in springs...

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purplegt4

#21

i should be more specific. my fault.

jdg371

#22

225/45/16s are what Iam running on in my last event.. and whoa! my rear hates me.. it kicks out hard when I let off the acc. and when I take a sweeper.. halfway on a left or right sweeper it looses traction in the rear..

Remedy for this kick out?

purplegt4

#23

i'm thinking: adjust rear sway bar, if it is adjustable that is.

jdg371

#24

nothing is adjustable except for my tire pressure. =[

I was planning on getting some tires once more on my 15s but.. 300 for a set uhh.. i dont make good money at my work.. lol

I had an idea.. might sound dumb as fcuk but o well..

Front: 225/45/16 ES100
Rear: 205/50/15 Ecsta SPT

they are the same height.. I would have less chances of getting loose because their not as wide in the rear. I would however get more rotation in the rear during tight turns

jdg371

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nothing is adjustable except for my tire pressure. =[

I was planning on getting some tires once more on my 15s but.. 300 for a set uhh.. i dont make good money at my work.. lol

I had an idea.. might sound dumb as fcuk but o well..

Front: 225/45/16 ES100
Rear: 205/50/15 Ecsta SPT

they are the same height.. I would have less chances of getting loose because their not as wide in the rear. I would however get more rotation in the rear during tight turns

miro1975

#26

I'm running my ST in our SWVR and won a STS for a season. Nate with his GT just started, so I trying to help him as much as I can, but he did great for a first time. I was impressed.
Anyway...
I'm using Dropzone lovering springs 1.5" drop with a OEM shocks. Super set up for a start. Also using GT sway bars. ( helped a lot) Camber front: -2.6, rear -1.0 Best what you can do for no many spended. Next season buying adjustable shock. That is going to help a lot, because my current ones are shot pretty bad. So buy some Dropzones or whatever with max 1.5" drop, if you want to stick with stock shocks and just learn the car. After you know your car , you can start spend more many in to it. That way you buing something what is going to actually help you. Lots off people spending many for all kind off sway bars, strut bars , coilovers etc with out any sense or knowledge. So that's what I think and you can take it or not. Good luck with your car and have fun with it. Web side: swvrscca.org

http://s66.photobucket.com/albums/h246/mir...autoxcelica.jpg

This post has been edited by miro1975: Nov 23, 2006 - 12:04 AM

miro1975

#27

Falken Azenis. Best tire for autocross 200 tw , A A
Great tire.

jdg371

#28

Im staying stock for a while. I might get some camber in the F/R for the winter season.. but thats about it..

heres a pic of my car taking a turn. I think I lifted the rear tire lol.. can you say stupid ammount of bodyroll?

miro1975

#29

Some body roll is actually good for autocross. Gives you better grip at tite corners. But - camber gonna help you a lot. Get your self a set of camber bolts at you all set. You can do up to -2.7, I think. Car looks good on course...

Kwanza26

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nothing is adjustable except for my tire pressure. =[

I was planning on getting some tires once more on my 15s but.. 300 for a set uhh.. i dont make good money at my work.. lol

I had an idea.. might sound dumb as fcuk but o well..

Front: 225/45/16 ES100
Rear: 205/50/15 Ecsta SPT

they are the same height.. I would have less chances of getting loose because their not as wide in the rear. I would however get more rotation in the rear during tight turns

I used to run something similar to that. If I remember correctly...

Fronts were 215/45/16
Rears were 195/50/16

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