oaky....so heres a lame swap question

okay so i always see people getting the 3-sgte swap.....

but then i see a few people wth a 4age swap

and then theres the beams??? what the fak is beams??

i understand that the 3-sgte packs alot of power.....but what about the others?
how come those arnt as popular? and whats their performacne like?

this has been buggin me, so if someone could answer taht would be great!

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look directly above your post...engine/swap/faq

2. 3S-GE - This engine is another engine that comes standard in many Celicas, including the sixth generation Celica ST202 and ST203(Which, sadly, aren't available in the US.) It's the same 2.0 liter block as the 3S-GTE, but rather than being turbocharged, this engine is naturally aspirated, resulting in less power and less torque. This engine is an option for people who have a Celica and want to do a swap, but they don't want or are not allowed to have a turbocharged car. Even without the turbocharger, this engine is still powerful though. It puts out 177 horsepower and 142 lbs. ft. of torque in the earlier models, and the later models have BEAMS VVT-i(Identified by red valve covers and intake manifolds), resulting in 197 horsepower and 152 lb. ft. of torque. Some people may think that they can swap this engine into their car and later turbocharge it, but this is not a great idea. The internal components on this engine and the 3S-GTE are drastically different, so to make this engine turbo-ready, it would require the use of internal engine parts to strengthen the engine. If you want a turbocharged engine, it'd be much, much easier and cost-effective to simply drop in a 3S-GTE in the first place. This engine will bolt up to any transmission that comes on a ST202, ST203, ST204, or ST205 with no problems, though the stock tranny may not be up to the task of handling high horsepower levels if you have a USDM GT(ST204) for example.

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BEAMS - Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System

It's the name Toyota used to designate the VVT-i equipped 3S-GE engines.

Theres many different generations of 3S-GE's:
1st gen 3S-GE - 135HP
2nd gen 3S-GE - 160PS
3rd gen 3S-GE - 180PS
4th gen 3S-GE - 180PS (Greytop), 200PS (Redtop), 210PS (Blacktop)

How come they're not as popular? Here's a theory I have:
1. People don't bother to do research and go by what others say. And since most people here go by what they think is the best, you'd hear them say BEAMS.
2. Once they decide they want to get a BEAMS engine, they end up backing away from it because a. it's rare b. it's expensive.
3. When they see you could get a 3S-GTE for the price of a BEAMS engine, either a. they stick with what they have b. they decide to go with that instead.

Another, more basic theory I have, is that most people here are power hungry. So in order to satisfy their need for power, the 3S-GTE fits the bill.

Just theories I have, I could be wrong.

Performance? For daily city driving, both feel the same to me. I got around with both engines shifting @ 2400RPM just fine. On the highway it's totally different. 3S-GE just goes all the way to redline. Even with the 3.9 final drive it goes just fine. 5S-FE just says, "**** you. I ain't going anywhere".

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I/ve had both engines also and if you do your research and fit your 5S with the right parts it will also pull strong to redline. Redline was higher on the 3S-GE though. Actually my 5S is faster and more powerful feeling than my 2nd gen 3S-GE ever was. Track times are better too. The mods never really seemed to do much with that 3S engine. Never had the pleasure of a Beams but I can imagine.