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Topic #44390 164 posts Started by doGGy
Well guy and girls - i can proudly present another project witch i will try to document / write-up / expain to a smallest details as posible. The project is install of a Turbo kit to a Martin (malpaso) 96' ST celica.

Works begin tomorow - so i will try to write up every single day of work i will be spending on his car, all the jobs what was done, and what things are installed and WHY they are installed + how they work and etc. Hoping to make this write up to be usefull to a people who will be doing the same thing later, and for the people to understand better how things work and etc.

Keep and eye on this topic - cuz it will have lots of info and pics in the long run biggrin.gif

As for now - Martin celica is securly standing in my yeard - and Martin is traveling back home with the bus (20h drive oh man.... frown.gif ), so lets hope the owner will give his response in this topic later biggrin.gif

Romas


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20H drive?!?! Damnz.... then.. the car is now left with the European genius smile.gif
Really interested in this Topic and already bookmarked it in Firefox.

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LMAO - you know what came to my head reading these words (European genius smile.gif ) - This:
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Lol sorry just had to post it biggrin.gif Im not a genius at all, im just a guy whos extremly (even stupidly) intrested in celicas biggrin.gif

Thanks Kadett

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Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
i will be keeping a eye on this, i want to see a pro at work!
I can't wait to see this project finished. Maybe it will give me some ideas.
watching this thread to the fullest, please don't leave us hangin' once you begin.

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Martin, you have a nice, clean Celica -- i'm sure you're looking forward to this new-found power. thumbsup.gif

Good luck with the waiting...it is the worst part -- trust me, i know. wink.gif

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looking forward to your results romas!

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I had a pleasure to meet Martin on his way to Romas. Car looks (and sounds!) like GT, at least. With "T" in its engine this will be a killer. Hopefully I will be able to see the car (maybe test drive?). Also, we might be able to give it a test run vs. 3SGTE. biggrin.gif

Romas, don't forget to label it with DCW sticker. Everybody is asking me what they are about on my GT4. The answer is: this is the label of the most exclusive tuning workshop that Celica could be worked on in. wink.gif

This post has been edited by TomPoz: Jan 10, 2007 - 7:14 AM

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Back from death at last biggrin.gif. Fell a sleep for many hrs when I got back home (details about my journey here wink.gif). Thanks for nice topic Romas, I'll keep my eye on it for sure biggrin.gif

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Well - tomorow is the day when everything starts. First thing from early morning - Martin's Celica will take a trip of 60miles to get the Leak Down test done and to see what we have inside of his 7A. Engine from outside seem a bit too oil'y, but this might be cuz our little friend removed the Valve cover for painting and after removal it leaks - so valve cover gaskets are already ordered biggrin.gif

If leak down test will show good results - saturday works will be started.. So lets all pray for his engine - cuz if no good news - i will have to source the long block of the 7A for a quick change up - cuz i do have the perfect 7A head with only 4K km on it...

So tomorow first info will be posted, and first pics will come up smile.gif


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def looking forward to it.

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Well - tomorow is the day when everything starts. First thing from early morning - Martin's Celica will take a trip of 60miles to get the Leak Down test done and to see what we have inside of his 7A. Engine from outside seem a bit too oil'y, but this might be cuz our little friend removed the Valve cover for painting and after removal it leaks - so valve cover gaskets are already ordered biggrin.gif

If leak down test will show good results - saturday works will be started.. So lets all pray for his engine - cuz if no good news - i will have to source the long block of the 7A for a quick change up - cuz i do have the perfect 7A head with only 4K km on it...

So tomorow first info will be posted, and first pics will come up smile.gif

bigport G head swap ftw! tongue.gif a little out of the budget perhaps.

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With your setup in mind, how much hp are you going to try to go for?

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Just got back from GroundZero (company who did Leakdown and company who will do a Dyno tune) with some good news biggrin.gif Martin already knows the good news, cuz i Sms'ed him on the road back.

Well the leak down showed some good results, i was expecting worse, cuz Martin was talling me what previous owner had put some Oversize pistons and etc etc for the better performance biggrin.gif But it seems like the engine was not opened and still in a original shape, so it might be what the prev owner was just braging about this to "better" sell the car biggrin.gif

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So the leak down showed what on the 1 cilinder we have 90% of life still left, on the second 80% on the third 85 and on the forth 80. So it seems like the engine is still in pritty good shape as it has done about 80K miles, and its almost normal wear for a 11 years old engine smile.gif

So we wount need to find a new long block biggrin.gif This will let the Martin to save up some penies wink.gif

While i was walking around in the GZ garage, i saw one thing what couth my eye:

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i thought Hmmm, maybe we should swap this one instead of turboing the poor 7A? I bet it would be fun to drive celi with this engine biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Some one can guess from what car this engine came biggrin.gif all i can say what it has 860Whp biggrin.gif


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oooooook smile.gif 4 hours of work - and my old ST turbo kit got removed finally from the engine. Cleaned everything out, diched few things out - cuz some things will need to be made from new, already ordered all the new flanges for the inlet / outlet for the oil to turbine, for a downpipe and etc. Here are few pics of the stuff what will be put on the 7A to squizze some power smile.gif

Whole kit placed together on the ground, still there are no silicone houses for the vacums, lots of small stuff is still not in the pics:

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As for now - i will try to describe all the stuff what is included in thi Turbo kit and what they do and how they work:

1.In this setup im using Rising rate FPR (fuel pressure regulator) from Mallory, it is needed to inclease fuels pressure over the stock cuz you will be using bigger injectors and Turbo engine need more fuel:

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How it works: WEB site how it works and what are the types of them >>>

2. Blow Off valve from Greddy, its a Type-S model. It is needed to reliese the pressure in the intercooler pipes when you let the gas pedal off and trottle buterfly is closed.

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How it works and what are the types of them: Blow Off Valve >>>

3. Gauges im using in this setup are from SLM manufacture. Im gonna be using Boost pressure / Oil Pressure / Oil temp / and EGT (exhaust gas temp gauge).

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I think most of us know how they work and why they needed smile.gif

4. Exhaust manifold what i will be using was custom build by me smile.gif Its hard to find one for the 7A block, so as we all know some people managed to use Honda B16 manifold with 7A exhaust manifold flange welded on it - so this is i think most cheap and best solution.

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5. Turbine what will be used is from Garett, its a T3 turbine witch was build specialy for the my 7A setup.

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Here is some info on the Turbine / Manifold and all related stuff: Info >>>

6. For the managment of the Fuel / Ignition - im gonna be using Greddy Emanage. This is one of the best PiggyBack Ecu's IMHO for the priece (now it is availible to get Emanage Ultimate witch is better, but a bit too pricey...). The major thing using this Emanage over all other piggybacks - si what you can correct Injectors setings (When using bigger injectors) doing this at the same time you will Fool yuor MAP sensor and it wound be seeing boost.

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7. Injectors are from Ford Probe Turbo / Mazda MX5 Turbo - 330cc. 330cc is good enouth for about 220hp. If you are aiming for more - go with somthing bigger. The main thing to know is what 7A uses TOP FEED injectors what are HIGH impedance (16 ohm).

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8. Boost controller is from Greddy, it is Profec B II (actually i was impressed with the easy to use Greddy Profec B - and i upgraded to Profec B II witch IMHO isnt worth the money cuz it is a bit too dificult to set it up...) Ofcorse if you want cheaper option - you can just go with a simple manual boost controler. But i chosed Electronic one to have 2 setings (hi Boost and Low Boost) witch can be set from drivers position and what there was options to avoid Boost spikes.

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9. Intercooler is from Mitsubishi Starion, i rewelded inled and outlet on it, what it was easyer to make the piping on the Celica setup. Intercooler can be used from all the different cars, or universal use. All you wount need before buing intercooler - is to know what piping you will use, way too big piping diameter will give you a bit bigger lag (witch imho isnt so noticible...)

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10. If you gonna be placing gauges on your setup (like Oil temp / oil pressure) you will definantly need some sort of distributor for the gauge sender to place in. In my case - i made my own simply taking aluminium piece and drilling one hole straight on it and one hle from top. In the pic you will see how i made it smile.gif One thing needs to be noted if you gonna go with somthing like i did - you have to mount it on the Chasis of the car - and not on the engine - cuz engine vibrates, and it might be a change what you will be loosing the bolts and etc...

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11. Downpipe is obviusly custom piece - witch can be made at any exhaust shop. all you would need is flanges. In my case - i went with totaly custom exhaust + i made my self a down pipe too. Be sure to heatwrap the downpipe - cuz its the main source of heat (along with the header) so it is good to wrap it to avoid some heat in the engine bay.

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12. Catch can is from Greddy.

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Why it is needed? It collects the oil witch goes from valve cover breather to the intake manifold - instead of letting the oil straight to the intake - you connect the catch can between the breather and valve cover, so this way all the oil sits in the can. You get the cleaner A/F mixture.

For today whats all biggrin.gif I will be taking pics of every step while installing all the stuff. If some one can add or correct me (i know i will need to be corected biggrin.gif) please add - im trying to make this tread as usefull as posible!

Manny - i know you know 5x times more then i do - feel free to correct / add info on all the stuff!!! THANK YOU biggrin.gif

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Sweetest sounding BOV, ever. Had it in the DSM... *drool*

Malpaso, I hope the wait won't be too painful. tongue.gif

One o'dem crazy Canadian freaks, eh?
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Why it is needed? It collects the oil witch goes from valve cover breather to the intake manifold - instead of letting the oil straight to the intake - you connect the catch can between the breather and valve cover, so this way all the oil sits in the can. You get the cleaner A/F mixture.

sorry, a little off-topic, but is oil supposed to come out of the valve cover breather? it was doing it on mine and I thought something was wrong.

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Why it is needed? It collects the oil witch goes from valve cover breather to the intake manifold - instead of letting the oil straight to the intake - you connect the catch can between the breather and valve cover, so this way all the oil sits in the can. You get the cleaner A/F mixture.

sorry, a little off-topic, but is oil supposed to come out of the valve cover breather? it was doing it on mine and I thought something was wrong.


Its not what its pure oil - its a mixture of a oil and water (i dont know how this thing is called in english biggrin.gif ) this consentrate always gets in the valve cover and its supose to go to the intake manifold, and get burn along with your air/fuel mixture in the cilinders. Under high load, if your engine has some wear, its ussualy some some pressure goes through your piston rings and gets into oilpan, and from there - the pressure lifts up some oil through the oilpan breather canal to the valve cover. So if you are on the boost - the chance of letting some pressure to the oilpan is x2.

Same goes on the naturaly aspirated engine - on high rpms you get the same thing.


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Is a boost retarder included in Martins kit, he is gonna need one !
so are you wiring in the emanage your self or having a shop do it as i have one i want to put in my 7afte but i dont want to messup anything tongue.gif
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Is a boost retarder included in Martins kit, he is gonna need one !


Boost retarder? If you mean Boost controller - then yes, its a Greddy Profec BII.

As for Emanae - im wiring it my self, so i can post wiring diagram.



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Is a boost retarder included in Martins kit, he is gonna need one !


Boost retarder? If you mean Boost controller - then yes, its a Greddy Profec BII.

As for Emanae - im wiring it my self, so i can post wiring diagram.


A boost retarder is a device that retards the engine ignition as the boost enters its treshold, you never used one?
with out it, there can be a chance of preigniton ect. have you never used one???
thanks doGGy the wiring diagram would be great, as far as a boost retarder i have seen them in turbo mustangs and such but i did not know you could use them in a celica , besides the emange should help with that, am i right? doGGy

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Is a boost retarder included in Martins kit, he is gonna need one !


Boost retarder? If you mean Boost controller - then yes, its a Greddy Profec BII.

As for Emanae - im wiring it my self, so i can post wiring diagram.


A boost retarder is a device that retards the engine ignition as the boost enters its treshold, you never used one?
with out it, there can be a chance of preigniton ect. have you never used one???


I *think* the emanage takes care of that.

One o'dem crazy Canadian freaks, eh?
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Is a boost retarder included in Martins kit, he is gonna need one !


Boost retarder? If you mean Boost controller - then yes, its a Greddy Profec BII.

As for Emanae - im wiring it my self, so i can post wiring diagram.


A boost retarder is a device that retards the engine ignition as the boost enters its treshold, you never used one?
with out it, there can be a chance of preigniton ect. have you never used one???


Why the hell do i need such thing when i have Emanage and i can fully adjust Ignition / Air/fuel maps in any place at any conditions.

Never used such thing - cuz i always try to have as much control over the stock ECU as posible, so instead using somthing like you offered - i ussualy use EMS or somthing like Emanage PiggyBack to have full control.


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no megasquirt2? its a full standalone for 1/3 the cost of the EMS.

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