1994toyotaracer

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hey guys i was just wondering if anyone knew the part number for the 3sgte 2 bar map sensor. iam doing a 5sfte and need toyota part number, and i was also told that it was considered a TPS (turbocharger pressure sensor) .

thanks

WannabeGT4

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Buy a used one from mr2oc.

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Yes, Toyota call it Turbocharger Pressure Sensor
You can use one from Celica Alltrac or MR2 Turbo
The MR2 one is
89420-17030, "Sensor Assembly, Turbo Pressure"

This post has been edited by Gary: Feb 15, 2007 - 5:58 PM

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1994toyotaracer

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Yes, Toyota call it Turbocharger Pressure Sensor
You can use one from Celica Alltrac or MR2 Turbo
The MR2 one is
89420-17030, "Sensor Assembly, Turbo Pressure"

thank man i have been trying for days now to find it

thanks

funnys_tears

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Or u can grand national map sensor too. they has the same wire diagram, and is has 3 bar on. boost from 1 PSI to 30 psi.. with out hitting fuel cuz.. cuz i know alot people who use this map sensor for their car... it only 86 dollar from auto zoner or u could go look online for more detail...u don't to wast $200 buck for 1.2 bar.. it so expensive..
and one my guy friend told about this grand national map sensor and i bought it. i use for it i didn't have to worry about fuel cut.. and i use a boost control.

Or u can >>grand national map sensor >> too. they has the same wire diagram, and is has 3 bar on. boost from 1 PSI to 30 psi.. with out hitting fuel cuz.. cuz i know alot people who use this map sensor for their car... it only 86 dollar from auto zoner or u could go look online for more detail...u don't to wast $200 buck for 1.2 bar.. it so expensive..
and one my guy friend told about this grand national map sensor and i bought it. i use for it i didn't have to worry about fuel cut.. and i use a boost control.

Consynx

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usually when people go w/ a 3-bar map sensor they get the GM one for $75.
hopefully u can find a used one on mr2oc for pretty cheap.
i managed to sell my 1jz map sensor for $100, but i think i got lucky.(it's the same or VERY close to the same as SW20's)

6strngs

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I bought one used at mr2oc.com for $68 shipped. they cost alot more than that brand new. and for a 5sfte, you'll probably never boost more than 2 bar anyway

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Apr 4, 2007 - 1:19 AM

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Consynx

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map sensors are in absolute.
so a 2-bar is really 1bar, and 3 bar 2...
just clarifying.

6strngs

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map sensors are in absolute.
so a 2-bar is really 1bar, and 3 bar 2...
just clarifying.

yeah, I was wondering about that. cause I thought 2-bar was like 15 PSI, but when I looked it up, it was really like 30 PSI... either way, a 2-bar map sensor is still good for up to 15-ish PSI which is alot for a 5sfte

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Rdizzle

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I and some others are intrigued about the grand national map sensor. Does it just plug right in to the stock location or is there some wiring involved? Sorry for the revival.

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CaliJeff

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I and some others are intrigued about the grand national map sensor. Does it just plug right in to the stock location or is there some wiring involved? Sorry for the revival.

what's a grand national map sensor? anyway, i was able to buy mine for 30.

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funnys_tears

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yeah the grand national map sensor, it pretty good..
i bought mine from ebay.. for 30 dollar, but it work. the wire u gotta look up for Buick motor diagram..
it save a little money and can u can boost higher.. 15-30 pis.. but ur engine has to built strong.. for it..

Consynx

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and u gotta be able to tune with it since the voltage output is going to be way off for a stock ecu

lagos

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correct me if im wrong, but i thought the idea was, that if you double your injector size, you should also double the map sensor, so that the stock fuel map gets scaled correctly. putting a 3bar map sensor would be a bad idea because you would mess with the load readings of the stock ecu. stick to a 2bar map and 440 injectors, if you plan on running 7-15psi.

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Rdizzle

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^interesting....

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6strngs

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correct me if im wrong, but i thought the idea was, that if you double your injector size, you should also double the map sensor, so that the stock fuel map gets scaled correctly. putting a 3bar map sensor would be a bad idea because you would mess with the load readings of the stock ecu. stick to a 2bar map and 440 injectors, if you plan on running 7-15psi.

so stock injectors are 220cc?

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lagos

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i THINK stock ones are 213s. manny could probably give you more info on that.

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Consynx

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sounds like a ghetto way to run more boost to me, lol
since each sensor actually is a bit different with voltages, if the stocks are 213, then 440 might be okay, to be a little rich on the same side incase the voltage is off a bit.


just whatever you do, it's always smart to have a wideband ready IMO

WALKER

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i THINK stock ones are 213s.

Stock are 220cc at 3bar.



Manny recommends the RX-7 Injectors, they are 460cc at 3bar.

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lagos

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sounds like a ghetto way to run more boost to me, lol
since each sensor actually is a bit different with voltages, if the stocks are 213, then 440 might be okay, to be a little rich on the same side incase the voltage is off a bit.


just whatever you do, it's always smart to have a wideband ready IMO

i think all of these map sensor send out 0-5volts. the stock fuel map is from vac to 0psi. adding a 2bar map will just stretch out that fuel map, so that the ecu wont freak out when it sees boost. this way when your boosting 14.5psi (1bar) the stock ecu will see 100% load (a good thing). but if you tried the same thing with a 3bar map, the ecu would only see about 67% max load at 1bar of boost, throwing your timing maps WAY of.

and yeah, the car will still need a wideband and a piggy back to tune it.

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Consynx

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i meant just to cope.
same reason another 2bar map isn't just swapped w/ another all the time, the voltages vary a bit.

s-afc ii has like 20???? different map sensor settings trying to account for all the difference logarithmic outputs they have.
not perfectly linear

Harold_Fastwaker

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So let me get this straight real quick.

2 Bar Map Sensor with SAFC and Turbo Probe injectors will be fine?

I remember Nik ran stock 7a injectors for a while will they be fine at 7psi on ct26? SAFC no matter what.


12:1 FMU is what is stated but I remember quite some time ago (year or 2) it was stated 12:1 was higher than needed and 8:1 would work better. Anyone else remember that being brought up?

This post has been edited by Harold_Fastwaker: Sep 14, 2007 - 11:17 PM

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presure2

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So let me get this straight real quick.

2 Bar Map Sensor with SAFC and Turbo Probe injectors will be fine?

I remember Nik ran stock 7a injectors for a while will they be fine at 7psi on ct26? SAFC no matter what.


12:1 FMU is what is stated but I remember quite some time ago (year or 2) it was stated 12:1 was higher than needed and 8:1 would work better. Anyone else remember that being brought up?

harold, if you have a ST, a ct-26 is not a good option for you.
it wont bolt up (like it does on a GT/5sfe)
stock 7a injectors are what ~210cc?
thats just looking for trouble, and the FMU is not much better.
think about it like this :
your stock fuel pressure is ~40 or so psi
with a 12:1 fmu, running 7 psi, your effective fuel pressure is now 124psi. LMAO.
im SURE the ST rail and injectors can handle that!
the pressure accross the rail will be VERY inconsistant, exactly what you DONT want under boost.
sure, it may work for awhile...but its definetly not a long term solution.

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Harold_Fastwaker

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So let me get this straight real quick.

2 Bar Map Sensor with SAFC and Turbo Probe injectors will be fine?

I remember Nik ran stock 7a injectors for a while will they be fine at 7psi on ct26? SAFC no matter what.


12:1 FMU is what is stated but I remember quite some time ago (year or 2) it was stated 12:1 was higher than needed and 8:1 would work better. Anyone else remember that being brought up?

harold, if you have a ST, a ct-26 is not a good option for you.
it wont bolt up (like it does on a GT/5sfe)
stock 7a injectors are what ~210cc?
thats just looking for trouble, and the FMU is not much better.
think about it like this :
your stock fuel pressure is ~40 or so psi
with a 12:1 fmu, running 7 psi, your effective fuel pressure is now 124psi. LMAO.
im SURE the ST rail and injectors can handle that!
the pressure accross the rail will be VERY inconsistant, exactly what you DONT want under boost.
sure, it may work for awhile...but its definetly not a long term solution.

Oh Ok, so your saying that instead of running the 2bar map using Check Valves will make it last alot longer!

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presure2

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QUOTE(Harold_Fastwaker @ Sep 14, 2007 - 10:58 PM) [snapback]596172[/snapback]

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So let me get this straight real quick.

2 Bar Map Sensor with SAFC and Turbo Probe injectors will be fine?

I remember Nik ran stock 7a injectors for a while will they be fine at 7psi on ct26? SAFC no matter what.


12:1 FMU is what is stated but I remember quite some time ago (year or 2) it was stated 12:1 was higher than needed and 8:1 would work better. Anyone else remember that being brought up?

harold, if you have a ST, a ct-26 is not a good option for you.
it wont bolt up (like it does on a GT/5sfe)
stock 7a injectors are what ~210cc?
thats just looking for trouble, and the FMU is not much better.
think about it like this :
your stock fuel pressure is ~40 or so psi
with a 12:1 fmu, running 7 psi, your effective fuel pressure is now 124psi. LMAO.
im SURE the ST rail and injectors can handle that!
the pressure accross the rail will be VERY inconsistant, exactly what you DONT want under boost.
sure, it may work for awhile...but its definetly not a long term solution.

Oh Ok, so your saying that instead of running the 2bar map using Check Valves will make it last alot longer!

umm....i dont know how you got THAT outta what i said..lol

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Harold_Fastwaker

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Oh Ok, so your saying that instead of running the 2bar map using Check Valves will make it last alot longer!

umm....i dont know how you got THAT outta what i said..lol

Im just bashing on you. Every check valve thread you pretty much destroy anyones attempt at using them.

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Celiracer18

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IIRC the stock 7A injectors are 180cc

and a ct26 is just not right on a 7a, go with a t3 super 60.

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presure2

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Oh Ok, so your saying that instead of running the 2bar map using Check Valves will make it last alot longer!

umm....i dont know how you got THAT outta what i said..lol

Im just bashing on you. Every check valve thread you pretty much destroy anyones attempt at using them.

bashing me? lmao
i dont see how any of this is helping the OP at all.

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southwest2118

#29

so second gen mr2 turbo map sensor would work on the 7afe?


will the connector also hook up w/ no problem???



what years are the second gen!!!11!!1!!oneone