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http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml#23

o man. i'm almost sorry i brought this topic back to life. I just wanted to lay all the brake upgrades out in front of me. so, bbks are out. on to 7th gen r&d.

no quarrels needed.

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http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml#14

be careful.

lol, this is a funny thread. half the people are talking about street use the other track use. street use you buy a different compound pad.... track use you buy a different more aggressive pad. either way the larger 8! piston calipers will stop it better than a 2 piston. no bickering about it...

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ok everyone quit your bitchn and answer me this are these kits good i want them mainly for show because i have a show car so just lemme kno if this kit is good and if it has everything i need

everyone can benefit from a big brake kit, it doesn't matter if you are pushing 600whp or 150whp. for the high output cars a BBK will do the obvious and for a lower output car it doesn't hurt to stop when you want to stop.

most of us experienced "mushy" or "spongy" brake pedals on a hot summer day and we all know that it doesn't feel good and it's not that safe. a bbk will eliminate all of that and your braking will greatly improve.

when i upgraded my braking system, i felt a huge difference in stopping power. before the BBK i did the rotor and SS lines thinking that it would be the same as a complete BBK, i was dead wrong.

i got a custom setup that consist of:

-6 piston wilwood calipers
-13 inch 2 piece crossed drilled and slotted rotors
-ss brake lines
-bolt on hardware

and here are the benefits:

-stop on a dime
-less pad wear
-less rotor wear
-less brake dust
-solid brake pedal feedback at all times

my cars output is not anywhere near high performance but i can see that the kit benefits me in many ways (going 90 on the interstate and having to rapidly slow down do to sudden traffic). now, i have had and driven 500+ whp cars and i can feel that the BBK remains consistant at all times.

now, what i can say is that a 6 piston caliper with a 13 inch rotor that is drilled and slotted is something that i will never "fully use" but i got it due to show reasons as well. if you guys are not showing you car and don't plan on it a 4 piston upgrade with a 12 rotor should be good.

as i mentioned eariler, a bbk pads will last practically forever since it stops you with less rotor rotations in other words a stock setup may stop you within 100 full rotor rotation with the calipers compressed but a BBK will do the job in a fraction of that amount due to the larger surface of the rotor and pads.




dennis

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thanks for the complement on the kit. yes, a stock system can be improved by ss lines to better pads and rotors to prevent the "mushy" feel but the heat generated from the smaller rotors (rotationg more times when stopping) can cause many imperfections such a rotor cracks and premature brake wear.

with a higher heat count, your fluids will not work as well. in a worse case senerio, your fluids heat up causing vapors. vapors equals gas which equals air pockets with your lines causing. time to bleed your brakes.

Agreed. The point when I realized it when in an integra with type-r brakes (other aftmrkt braking crap) at turn 7 on putmen park when I was introduced to the worse case of brake fade I've ever seen.

My point is, you're only going to expirence brake fade on the track. Street cars with bbk's are a waste of cash

my car sees track like driving often.( when it runs) i dont go out to get groceries in it if you know what i mean.
let the driver decide whether he would benefit from big brakes. not a cost to performance ratio between upgraded line ect. and big brakes. im using those two wrx's as my bench mark and the street driving braking was still better on the big brake setup. im not lying.

aite enough....get back on topic

Take this as fair warning SlowCelica94, Playr158, Lagos.

If you can't have a civilized conversation about a topic, without slander, vulgarities, and immaturity. You will be warned and put on mod preview. You must respect fellow members and follow the site's rules.



As for what I think about this topic. Mild upgrades are more than enough for street use. SSlines, upgraded pads, and a fresh set of rotors.

Raising the HP levels of a car also shifts you toward looking into better braking performance. Although I'm not there yet, I believe we'll need to looking into BBKs once we are closer to the 300hp levels.

Remember, these cars were designed with 115hp in mind.

hawk hps pads with brembo blanks.

What's fuild like? Ever have to replace a caliper?

normal dot 4 fluid. calipers are original.

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Is the fuild old? I'm guessing your brake fuild has broken down and is causing some brake fade. Also, your calipers are probably lossing some of their spunk from age. When I had to change out all 4 (ouch!) on my rx-7, I noticed a big difference in brakes power....course that was with some fresh dot 4 syn fuild

ok here are the pros and cons of having the BBK (this is coming from someone who has a BBK for 2 years)

pros:
-quality parts
-stop on a dime
-solid overall braking in any driving conditions (cruising and track)
-less rotor caliper wear
-less brake dust
-no brake squeal
-looks great
-safety

cons:
-crossed drilled and slotted rotors will have slight brake pedal vibrations but "uncut and undrilled" rotors are smooth
-heavier than stock
-depending on your rim your might need spacers to clear the phone receiver size caliper
-just because you can stop on a dime doesnt mean the car behind you can, so dont slam on your brakes if you dont have to
-let your passenger know when you are going to "test out" your bbk so they can hold on.

PLEASE NOTE:

do not get a BBK if your suspension system is not upgraded. hard braking with loose front suspension is pointless and you will not get the full effect of a BBK and make sure you have decent tires. there is also no point in getting a BBK if you have drums in the back, it just doesnt look right.

no, the fluid was just changed and the calipers have about 70k on them. so while they are not brand new, i would imagine they still have some good spunk left in them.

for the most part the car stops well, however there have been a few instances where i have noticed the limitations of this setup. you are right, no one NEEDS a bbk. but once you start making more and more power and add more weight to the car with something like a motor swap, you will start to outgrow those stock calipers/rotors. a lot of it depends on your driving habits too.

someone like itchty, with 330hp at the wheels would probably benefit a lot from a bbk.

RCT, do you only have BBK's up front? And noise is determined by pad selection

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good points...except squeal is going to depend on what kit you have and what pads you are running.
safety while that can be relatively placed on both pros and cons (thats just my opinion) some BBK are overdone and not correctly done for the car, which leads to over/unbalanced braking (while its a less common problem)

but glad you are bringing in functioning point of view......
haha BBK + rear drums = you are doing something wrong...very wrong.
front suspension + good quality tires = needed, great point

and someone is HIGHLY missing the point HIGH HP doesn't always necessitate in the need for bigger brakes.
speculation = t3h badz yo

stock sized brakes and non cross drilled p00r





This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:09 PM

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that is correct, many people forget about stopping power and only focus on horsepower.

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you make a good point about the car being balanced. thats why im not a big fan of modifing BBK to fit different cars.

as for the part about high output doesn't require bigger brakes; that just depends on the driving sport or driving habits. for example, in drag racing a BBK is not needed even with the high hp output. this is simply because the driver will launch and apply the brake at the very end and release the chute. no BBK equals weight saved.

now, in drift and super GT BBK are needed and required. this is because the driver is constantly applying the brakes to set up for the next corner. in other words, go into the corner hard, apply the brakes hard, and accelerate out of the apex point hard.

it just depends on the person and what they are tryng to get out of there car. a 3sgte swap does not require a BBK if the driver is not going to get on the gas pedal. a 7afe celica may need a BBK since autocross does not require high hp but it does require a braking system that can take abuse.

RTC, you most have missed my post. Are you running BBK's on only the front, or back as well?

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i only have big brakes in the front and i did the dics brake swap in the rear. the rear consist of sp slotted rotors, hawk pads and ss lines. and yes, noise is determined by the pad selection.

let me know if you have any questions

RCT, How much did that kit set you back?

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the kit set me back around 2k. you can get bbk slightly cheaper but i opted for the 6pot dynalite calipers coated red and 13 inch slotted/drill rotors. plus it's custom made. 100% bolt on

This post has been edited by RCTCelica: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:42 PM

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So I'm guessing you're running a perportioning valve too, right? And doesn't that combo throw off the car balance? How do it effect left foot breaking and trail-breaking?

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now the question is RCT, where'd u get em?

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call up my buddy who has a performacne shop. www.rctperformance.com speak to ryan or james. tell them dennis recommended you. they will hook you up

This post has been edited by RCTCelica: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:57 PM

cool. good to know. thx.