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I agree with this. Its all relative and based on personal opinion. However, the objective reasons that I listed seem pretty compelling to me. As one of the two 3s swappers contributing to this thread, I feel qualified to give an opinion to the OP's question. When you ask: "Is it worth it?" I interpret that to mean: "Hey 3s swappers, if you had to do it over and your goal was to build a 2800lb car with 250WHP, would you rather have a RWD platform for performance reasons. I answer that question, with a resounding "YES!!!!"

i saw we make a car with power to the front right wheel and the left back one..or power to the right side or the left side..ahhha comeon that would be awesome!!!!

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For what it's worth, the more I read, the more I see the "magic number" seems to be 200 HP @ wheel max for FWD before it's "too much". Much more than that is a waste (this will vary slightly from car to car of course).

Last dyno was at 245 whp. Its in no way to much. Right now, I want more and more.

I think the magic number should be moved up to 350 whp in a FWD. Of course throttle control comes into play at these numbers. You can't expect to stomp on the gas and not brake loose.

Itchy should be hitting around that number right now. I'm still waiting to see the full tune & higher boost. But it looks very promising as of right now.

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I have seen and been behind the wheel of FWD car cars with 300WHP and did not feel like Too Much Power..

Her is a list a some of those cars..

VW GTi
Honda CRX Si
Scion tC
Dodge Srt-4
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-t
Honda Prelude Si

Traction issues = weight issues
Lets go back a few years.
455 Olds Tornado.... beat that with a rear wheel anything on
a flat dirt track. As for selling out, who cares.
Do what you want, last time I checked you don't need a
forums permission to change vehicles. If you are asking
opinions on what to purchase, start a poll IN OFFTOPIC!!
I keep my car because I love it, no other reason.

no blame, i nearly bought a 95 240sx w/a modded ka24det... but bought the celi anyway, lol

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add a rsx type-s to that list. i've driven my friend's and its crazy fast. they're like what, 225 hp stock at the crank and still handles great. didn't seem like too much when i drove it. and a lot of newer fwd cars come with 250+ hp v6's and what-not. still not as great as rwd or awd, but i think a lot of people don't give fwd cars enough credit. not to mention the drivers that know how to handle them.

This post has been edited by j0e_p3t: Apr 27, 2007 - 12:47 AM

I was somewhat vague in my previous statment.
Weight issues = Traction issues

I think everyone understands weight transfer and how it
effects traction. In a low traction situation where transfer
is not a factor FWD will prevail over RWD always. It is simple
physics, the weight is already there. (MR doesn't fall into RWD class)
I have owned a couple 400+hp trucks and had as many traction
issues as most higher hp FWD cars seem to, the transfer is there,
the weight is not. As far as FWD sucking it depends more on what
you want than anything. I personally think FWD does it all as good
or better than any other platform. I think this discussion is a good one,
it just has very little to do with the original topic or the 6gc which is what
this particular forum is about.

I wonder if the heavier weight of our cars is actually an "advantage" in keeping some of the power on the ground... instead of getting lost in wheel spin? I think most of us are also running after market tires / wheels that give us better traction.

The only RWD car I've driven is my old 92' Toyota Pickup truck. I don't know if it's even a valid comparison... But I do like the accelaration on the 92' pickup truck more than my current Celica.

I re-read some of those articles...

Looks like they were referring to turning... said the barrier is typically around 200 HP before experiencing bad under steer - whoops

"typical" varies from car to car, wheel to wheel, turn to turn, tire to tire, driver to driver.... so, we may have guys here that can get well past 200 HP and still hold their lines?!?!

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2x

im at 247hp 270tq at the wheels and i feel like i want MORE POWER. sure i can break the tires loose if i want to or get some torque steer... but a lot of that stuff is what makes the celica fun on the street. i remember watching the vid of jeff smoking tires through 1st and 2nd gear on a slightly wet road, and thinking, "HELL YEAH MAN", instead of saying "look at that terrible traction loss of the fwd paltform". now dont get me wrong, there does come a point where your making too much power for it to become useful, but like jeff said, i think thats somwhere around the 350+ range. your traction in the 200-300hp range can all be controlled by your right foot, a boost controller, and some good street tires.

now having said that, my next car will probably be awd. why? because i plan to go above that 350hp range.

Two things I want to add here.

My handling characteristics are different than other 3s swappers, I don't have power steering. So I don't experience as much torque steer as others. Tires breaking loose should be about the same. Just a matter of what tire you are running. I am definately not running the right set of tires. Soon this will change.

Second thing, I know a person who had a 6th gen. He bought a clip, started the swap. He then stopped in the begining and sold everything to buy a 240SX. One year later I find out he sold the 240 and bought a brand new SRT4. So he has the SRT4 which he loves. Which is a nice car, very quick on the street. This person still has love for the 6th gen, and will one day buy another one and do the 3s swap.

I dont think people should have this fear of FWD. With the right planning, you can almost completely overcome this hurdle. It just takes money, time, & patience.

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That was second gear only playboy.

The blow off you hear in the video is throttle control, I never shifted. Until the end, when I took off. I was trying to keep the car from pulling away. That obviously didnt work.


I agree with your statements above

This post has been edited by defgeph: Apr 27, 2007 - 7:23 PM

post up a link to the vid! haha


i guess the basic point here is this:
rwd and awd cars are better then fwd. there is no doubt about it. however the fwd platform is far from worthless. go watch some srt4 or very built honda videos on streetfire to see just how fun fwd can be.

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I can't wait to do another one this year.