mikeismad0408

#1

Alright, after lots of reading and whatnot, i have seen that when you take an ST and try to swap the 3sgte you have to remap all your mounts and have a lot of custom fab you have to do.

with that said, couldnt you do the same for a 4g63? (engine from Eagle Talons, Mitsubishi Eclipse, and EVO 8) i know it wouldnt be cheap, but neither is a 3s swap.


what do you guys think about it?

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playr158

#2

3sgte swap is like 25% of a mitsu swap

whoever said you have to "remap" (<-wtf is this?!) all your engine mounts lied
you only have to drill 2 holes for 1 engine mount on ur passenger side otherwise all the other 3 mounts bolt into existing locations

so there is like "custom fab" if you consider 30 seconds worth of drilling "a lot"

go back read more

but to techincally answer your question....yes it can be done...but expect to pay 4 times the amount or more of a 3sgte

This post has been edited by playr158: May 9, 2007 - 1:26 PM

trd94

#3

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3sgte swap is like 25% of a mitsu swap

whoever said you have to "remap" (<-wtf is this?!) all your engine mounts lied
you only have to drill 2 holes for 1 engine mount on ur passenger side otherwise all the other 3 mounts bolt into existing locations

so there is like "custom fab" if you consider 30 seconds worth of drilling "a lot"

go back read more

but to techincally answer your question....yes it can be done...but expect to pay 4 times the amount or more of a 3sgte

and unlike a toyota motor you will be repairing it a little more .

jason

#4

^x2 haha sooooo true, my 4g experiences have made me double think turbo's

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mikeismad0408

#5

yeah, but parts for the 4g are so much cheaper, you can replace it super cheap. and im not talking about a 4g63t just a NA 4g63. in the end do you guys think the time would be worth it?

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Celiracer18

#6

not worth it IMO. the 3S is a better motor too cause its made for the car (sorta)

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lagos

#7

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yeah, but parts for the 4g are so much cheaper, you can replace it super cheap. and im not talking about a 4g63t just a NA 4g63. in the end do you guys think the time would be worth it?

to go through all that trouble.. for the NA version of the motor? no it wouldnt be worth it at all. you wouldnt gain anything from it .

if you want a 4g63 under the hood ,just buy a 2g dsm. it even looks kind of like the celica.

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uberschall

#8

edited.

nvm.

This post has been edited by uberschall: May 9, 2007 - 7:52 PM

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cjh4l22

#9

i've always said when it comes to car... if u got the money and the ideas... u can make it happen.

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Drew-887

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QUOTE(playr158 @ May 9, 2007 - 1:24 PM) [snapback]555744[/snapback]

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3sgte swap is like 25% of a mitsu swap

whoever said you have to "remap" (<-wtf is this?!) all your engine mounts lied
you only have to drill 2 holes for 1 engine mount on ur passenger side otherwise all the other 3 mounts bolt into existing locations

so there is like "custom fab" if you consider 30 seconds worth of drilling "a lot"

go back read more

but to techincally answer your question....yes it can be done...but expect to pay 4 times the amount or more of a 3sgte

and unlike a toyota motor you will be repairing it a little more .

LOL oh yeah. My friend has a eagle talon TSi and that thing is broken already. When ever he shifts tons of white smoke comes out of the exhaust. I really hate DSM(dip **** motors) car there a real pieces of crap in my opinion.

slvr_celica_GT_8...

#11

id be alot easier to just go out and buy a mitsu or talon, a friend of mine has a 2g eagle talon tsi there nice cars

3WayStunna

#12

The swap will prob work with enough time and effort, but why? Everyone here already knows and will agree that the 3sgte is an easier proven method of getting reliable turbo power in you car without the shotty craftsman ship of the 4g63.....anywho, just my 2 cents...

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jason

#13

just buy a 1st gen dsm, do all the cheap-o mods to it and you have cheap speed, or get a 2nd gen, a lil slower but looks alot nicer. ive already went that route, i now own a celica which doesnt give me anything but joy and for kicks you can alwasy go the bike route... its better with wind in ur face if you want na, go with a 4age of some sort since you have an st, if you want turbo, either do the 7a or get a 3s swap, i think you'll be happy either way, but other than bragging rights, i dont see anything good coming out of putting that 4g into ur car

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supradog1

#14

if you got the doh, go for it!!! you would be a "sick swap" king!!!
if not, stick with what you know that works and is more reliable...

mikeismad0408

#15

well i have the engine laying around that needs a new head (timing belt broke, bending my valves) and it wont be done anytime soon, but when i get my new car, just for ****s and giggles i may look into doing the swap.

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playr158

#16

our celica motors are non-interference, you shouldn't be bending valves from broken timing belts

lagos

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if you got the doh, go for it!!! you would be a "sick swap" king!!!

hes talking about the NA version of the motor. it only makes about 140hp. there is nothing sick or cool about it.lol

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Silver94CelicaOwner

#18

Hahaha.


If you would like to have the worlds only Neon powered Celica it can be done.....But I can assure you there's a reason why you'd be the only one to have one.

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: May 10, 2007 - 12:32 PM

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celi_gt_racer

#19

ummmmm.... yes there are non turbo 4g-63's

Silver94CelicaOwner

#20

I take that back then. Still though, I maintain my point.

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mikeismad0408

#21

neons dont have 4g63's so im slightly confused on that one. they come in the 1 and 2 gen eagle talons and eclipses and the 4g63T was used in the evo 8 i think.

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