i do agree with you, N/A is something not to be forgotten, boosting is just a very cost efficient way of getting alot of hp really quickly, and only sacrificing engine life. N/A is a great way to stay reliable, and if done correctly can be just as rewarding as forced induction.
i just find it ironic how you preach the rewards of staying N/A, have all N/A mods, yet your handle is "5sfeturbo" ironic??
Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them allNo but I don't buy itLike anything you do, as anyone you areCause I'm...Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial
Ahh my friend you noticed, I do not have a turbo, when I fisrt joined the web site I found the burien turbo kit and flipped so that was my dream then but now its like a bad tatoo but oh well they can only add character.
OK N/A can produce crazy amonts of power... but are there high compression pistion and rods and camshafts and crankshafts and every other N/A application that will make my 7afe a true power mechine.. like the FORD's of the world.. I would love to have N/A 200 WHP coming out of a 7afe
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no no no you guys are getting me all wrong, turbo is good and yes NSX n/a is good too. Im saying realisticly I cant afford a F'n swap and alot of us here cant so I was saying I would like to see some hardcore layouts of a good N/A set up for those of us 80% who cant just drop 5k on a engine swap. Plus almost all of you guys just say "get the swap"......umm...ok....wtf were do I start.
ENGINE.. well e-bay ok or those other websites we got on our list here for engines.....cool-done.
INSTALL..thats half the battle 99% of us cant do that maaannnn..and finding some shop with enough know-how and experience is slim to none on a 3sgte, wiring and all.
FUNDS..unless most of you actually have full-time careers making semi-descent cash then I can see where your comming from but most of us cant afford this f'n swap Im a full time college kid 21 years old and this all a wet dream to me owning a 6th gen 3sgte but its not happening. Unless your the type were mommy and daddy buy you everything under the damn sun and the 3rd gen motor for getting straight A's.
Maybee one day when I have a solid job I can do this swap but till then N/A is only choice not a bad one but its the only one.
-5sfeTurbo+Aug 17, 2003 - 11:40 PM
Hang out on the mr2 boards. You might find that a lot of them are into performance with their 5SFE engines compared to finding out where to get clear side markers from and what wheels look best on the car.
I think what he is saying that there are a LOT of people talking about what swap is good blah blah what engine etc.
I have TONS of them IMing me asking me questions. I dont mind but come on. how many of us actually have the cash to do something like this. Or how many will actually bother saving up the money to do it?
Here is my philosphy. save up the cash. start doing the swap and if you have questions then ask. also once you have the cash in hand then ask when gen motor you should get and where to buy it from.
Also yea i would love to see something like that charger or w/e it was on the F&F with "900 horses of DEtroit muscle".
like get a 5s-fe or 7a-fe to do that.
if you want something like that go with the 3s-ge.
But I agree with Kuya. If you only want 160-170hp out of your 5S-FE after paying all the cash to get the head ported, polished, etc. then go for it. but if you are after to dominate 90% of the cars on the road. go with an engine swap.
I dont care how mean a V8 sounds. if you ever hear the loud spooling and vacuum from a turbo when you rev up the engine you will be hooked.
and if you still want it to sound like a V8 get an HKS super dragger muffler.
i dont care what kind of muffler you have, you will never EVER be able to emulate the V-8 sound. its comparing apples and oranges.
everyone is also missing the point that this engine really can push 300HP, granted for the same ammount you could swap in a 3sgte or 4agze and be running 400-500HP... but it is possable (granted they make all the right parts for the engine, which with a 7afe or 5sfe it is highly unlikely.)
the 1st problem is this thread was made on the false assumption that keeping a car N/A is a cheaper way of getting HP than forced induction. which isnt true. basic bolt ons just dont do the trick to N/A cars. sure plugs, wires, intake, exhaust, headers all give very good performance gains for the money. just when you spend money on all that, you could afford a custom turbo setup.
Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them allNo but I don't buy itLike anything you do, as anyone you areCause I'm...Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial
There was nothing false about my thread there slick. YOU ALL speak of oh blah blah blah just get a swap.....hmm if its so damn easy why arent we all running around with this engine, know why their called bills. yes I can buy an exhaust for $450 and a month and a half a pulley and so on and so forth. Quit throwing the word swap around like its a damn intake. The fact is yes I want my car to be fast, yes basic bolt ups dont do a whole lot. Saving 5k is not easy when you have rent, water,electric, car payment and insurance. Keeping my N/A car WOULD be cheaper. after you dump the engine in get all the right stuff customized tuned then dyno it. would N/A be faster hell no would it be overall cheaper even with a tunedSAFC and regrinds yes but once again we strayed from the overall topic and twisted it.
im a JR in high school, and i bought my own car, 95 celica GT fro 6300 by myself. i then went out and got a job worked my ass off to afford my 3SGTE. The swap can be done by a young kid on his own money, if they are determined enough to work for it and not just sit around and wish they had it.
also most people who say just swap. havnt done the swap and dont know what it involes. this doesnt include people like kuya who give you comparrisons about staying N/A and swapping.
it all comes down to, if u want a fast car your are going to have to swap or turbo. N/A you might get a quick car, say mid to hgih 15's but thats about it.
or you can just drive it and get good gas mileage.
-5sfeTurbo+Aug 18, 2003 - 5:07 PM
Kids in high school....No rent no electric no food no survival skills needed, its handed. Maybee Im just in a weird ass boat but I work FT at best buy making decsent pay now going to college FT so now that puts work to PT. Paying tuition, books etc. I do beleive I am like most people who cant throw the word swap around so easily cause I dont live at home with my parents who provide for my needs. Budgeting thats the entire problem 3sgte cant fit. my overall HP would be that to tear a hole in that damn RX-7 around my block or dump crap on my neighbors 300z. and thank you I know N/A cant be a suffecient way to gain HP and turbcharging is. Unless I gotta NSX but anyway have fun, Im giving up on my turbo dreams and just hooking up that Erebuni kit so I can at least look fast..Maybee when I get a career after college we can shoot the shat over whose celica can eat whose...
peace.
-5sfeTurbo+Aug 18, 2003 - 9:35 PM
i always recommend people away from doing the swap.
-capncrakhed+Aug 18, 2003 - 9:58 PM
How powerful does one want the Celica? That is the question when it comes to upgrading or swaping. If the money just isn't there then take it step by step and modify piece by piece. Out of all the upgrades that they make that are cost efective you could get considerable gains. On a light car like the Celica any gain is felt and that's a fact. What one of us at this sight needs to do is dyno, dyno, dyno there car at every upgrade. Then and only then will you know for sure on the gains. All upgrades are going to cost money, but a motor swap is a larg chunk of change, I don't care how much you paid for the motor. So it boils down to this... Make upgrades and fine tune it. Get to know your car to maximize it's potential and if 20hp is all you can get then fine. But think about it, 20hp increase in a celica that doesn't weigh anything? Man, it would be felt, that's for sure.
I agree with whats been said, its all about your goals, if you want big hp and fast times in the 1650, then the most cost effective route is probably the swap, or possibly a turbo kit. If you are looking for improvements, but keeping it mild, bolt ons, some cam shafts, possibly a port and pollish has the potential for noticeable improvements, pick a goal, Im hoping to get about 160 to the wheels, Im putting in a 4age 20v and doing quite a bit of work before I put it in. If I wanted more power than that it is no question I would probably go forced induction.
not trying to be an ass (dont get mad) just save up man itlle be worth is, on the other hand bolt on dont do much except make it more peppy
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