I propose we hit Hooter's 290 on a Sat night for some wings and maybe a chill session in my garage afterwards [2mins away]. This would be an opportunity for some of those who missed/couldn't stay for the last meet - to meet with everyone going to the TX meet.
Also I'm having one of those "INSANE!!!!!!" pricing sales on all 5S, 7A and 3S parts and components you may need to get your car up to speed for the meet. Panda and Ngofcukingway know - I got anything and everything you want/need for your 6gc at the garage and my baby needs parts badly - now's the time to lowball me [keep that to PM's or in person so as not to spam this thread]
Proposed time/date:
Date: March 1st
Time: 8PM till whenever
Place: Hooter's 290 [@ Hollister/Pinemont in front of Tinseltown]
This meet could be as small or as big as necessary - w/e.
Also I propose we use this as the meeting point for the caravan headed to Bastrop. 290 is the perfect way to take and we can utilize the garage [with Lift, compressor tools etc.] I have access to at the halfway point in Brenham in case anybody's car needs attn during the long drive to Bastrop [Mine may be a candidate if the Gremlins decide to act a fool along thwe way].
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
Hell yes, I just hope my cars fixed by then...
Hah!!
I'm already there... Hooter, Celicas, Parts for me, Future meets, 6gc.net members, More hooters, hotwings? Just get me a halo cuz that's what i call heaven!!
This post has been edited by D-Man: Feb 19, 2008 - 2:14 PM
QUOTE (presure2 @ Nov 6, 2010 - 6:16 AM)Via FB: fcuking awsome!!! D-man FTW!QUOTE (DEATH @ Nov 11, 2008 - 5:40 PM)Damn D-Man - most impressive.QUOTE (99GT @ Nov 14, 2008 - 4:04 PM)D-Man's post should be a stickyQUOTE (samir0189 @ Nov 4, 2008 - 10:50 AM)LOL, oh boy, you can always count on D-Man for ridiculously hilarious posts.
"He won't come out of the bathroom. He keeps telling us we're dark somethings and not his friends.""Hmm. Ask him if he's the dragon reborn.""What?""Just do it."".......He said yes.""Tell him you are not darklings. He should open up."".......Sweet. Thanks.""No problem."
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Hah!!
I'm already there... Hooter, Celicas, Parts for me, Future meets, 6gc.net members, More hooters, hotwings? Just get me a halo cuz that's what i call heaven!!
Wait till you see the garage - that's what you'll call Mecca
So the roll call:
-Death - TRD GT2 Badness
-Spacepanda - the new cornering monster [I'm gonna steal you tires...oops did I say that outloud?
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-Monkey - Broken down beastie
-D-man - 5S-FTE Vert in progress
This gonna rock the Denny's meet - you have no idea. I'll see if the HTC stickered bus will be there. Also I'll call ahead and reserve seating for us when everyone chimes in. We'll have the whole back section to ourselves and the back of the parking lot to get male and grunt about cars in
Oh Havok, Stephen, Ngofcukingway, Chinaman - where are you?
This post has been edited by DEATH: Feb 19, 2008 - 4:26 PM
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
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Hah!!
I'm already there... Hooter, Celicas, Parts for me, Future meets, 6gc.net members, More hooters, hotwings? Just get me a halo cuz that's what i call heaven!!
Wait till you see the garage - that's what you'll call Mecca
Ohmmmm.... 5 times a day~
QUOTE (presure2 @ Nov 6, 2010 - 6:16 AM)Via FB: fcuking awsome!!! D-man FTW!QUOTE (DEATH @ Nov 11, 2008 - 5:40 PM)Damn D-Man - most impressive.QUOTE (99GT @ Nov 14, 2008 - 4:04 PM)D-Man's post should be a stickyQUOTE (samir0189 @ Nov 4, 2008 - 10:50 AM)LOL, oh boy, you can always count on D-Man for ridiculously hilarious posts.
I sure hope we can fix this clutch pressure issue before the meet, unless you guys wanna see what it's like to have a 5speed automatic....
"He won't come out of the bathroom. He keeps telling us we're dark somethings and not his friends.""Hmm. Ask him if he's the dragon reborn.""What?""Just do it."".......He said yes.""Tell him you are not darklings. He should open up."".......Sweet. Thanks.""No problem."
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I sure hope we can fix this clutch pressure issue before the meet, unless you guys wanna see what it's like to have a 5speed automatic....
We will bro - No prob.
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
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I sure hope we can fix this clutch pressure issue before the meet, unless you guys wanna see what it's like to have a 5speed automatic....
Actualy, i would like to see a 5 speed automatic... I'm stuck with a f-ing automatic, it'd be nice to have another gear...
Although, i'd rather just have a 5 speed Manuel...
QUOTE (presure2 @ Nov 6, 2010 - 6:16 AM)Via FB: fcuking awsome!!! D-man FTW!QUOTE (DEATH @ Nov 11, 2008 - 5:40 PM)Damn D-Man - most impressive.QUOTE (99GT @ Nov 14, 2008 - 4:04 PM)D-Man's post should be a stickyQUOTE (samir0189 @ Nov 4, 2008 - 10:50 AM)LOL, oh boy, you can always count on D-Man for ridiculously hilarious posts.
By 5speed automatic I mean when my clutch is all the way in and I'm in gear, the car will roll forward with no throttle like an automatic. Creepy.
"He won't come out of the bathroom. He keeps telling us we're dark somethings and not his friends.""Hmm. Ask him if he's the dragon reborn.""What?""Just do it."".......He said yes.""Tell him you are not darklings. He should open up."".......Sweet. Thanks.""No problem."
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By 5speed automatic I mean when my clutch is all the way in and I'm in gear, the car will roll forward with no throttle like an automatic. Creepy.
Master and slave - def. We 'll get it fixed Sat.
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
Hey guys my car has been acting up lately and im kinda short on money.
If any of you want to replace a CV joint for free
lol
"You should take a short walk on a LONG PIER"-Crazy SteveMy Celica's SRI
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Hey guys my car has been acting up lately and im kinda short on money.
If any of you want to replace a CV joint for free
lol
If you get the part and wanna drive out to Matt's this Saturday we could probably do it. There will be 4 of us out there, I'm sure it won't take very long.
"He won't come out of the bathroom. He keeps telling us we're dark somethings and not his friends.""Hmm. Ask him if he's the dragon reborn.""What?""Just do it."".......He said yes.""Tell him you are not darklings. He should open up."".......Sweet. Thanks.""No problem."
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Hey guys my car has been acting up lately and im kinda short on money.
If any of you want to replace a CV joint for free
lol
If you get the part and wanna drive out to Matt's this Saturday we could probably do it. There will be 4 of us out there, I'm sure it won't take very long.
yah if matts down im willing to help although those things are a bitch to get on and off so it might take a little longer then youd think panda. China, Driver side or passanger side?
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Hey guys my car has been acting up lately and im kinda short on money.
If any of you want to replace a CV joint for free
lol
If you get the part and wanna drive out to Matt's this Saturday we could probably do it. There will be 4 of us out there, I'm sure it won't take very long.
yah if matts down im willing to help although those things are a bitch to get on and off so it might take a little longer then youd think panda. China, Driver side or passanger side?
its my drivers side, but im gonna bring it to my friend mech and they are gonna check it out for free
"You should take a short walk on a LONG PIER"-Crazy SteveMy Celica's SRI
"He won't come out of the bathroom. He keeps telling us we're dark somethings and not his friends.""Hmm. Ask him if he's the dragon reborn.""What?""Just do it."".......He said yes.""Tell him you are not darklings. He should open up."".......Sweet. Thanks.""No problem."
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Can't beat free labor
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plus, there are a few celica pro's, matt's garage, my tool-trunk, and me... i'm just a gofer though...
This post has been edited by D-Man: Feb 19, 2008 - 9:22 PM
QUOTE (presure2 @ Nov 6, 2010 - 6:16 AM)Via FB: fcuking awsome!!! D-man FTW!QUOTE (DEATH @ Nov 11, 2008 - 5:40 PM)Damn D-Man - most impressive.QUOTE (99GT @ Nov 14, 2008 - 4:04 PM)D-Man's post should be a stickyQUOTE (samir0189 @ Nov 4, 2008 - 10:50 AM)LOL, oh boy, you can always count on D-Man for ridiculously hilarious posts.
I would have been nore that willing to lend the grage and a Hand. If you rent the tool [you get your money back] from Autozone then the jobs a snap. Get the free labor [that's not mine
] while you can.
Looks like there's gonna be a full garage this weekend. I have a paying oil change to do to - and she's a repeat customer cause I like to get a good hour drain and then flush with another quart and then drain 15mins-1/2hr then plug up, Filter up [ONLY OEM in my shop - or TRD
] and add the oil [Mobile1 Fully Synthetic of course]. Meanwhile while things are draing I check everything else and clean the engine covers and check for VC leaks etc.
This post has been edited by DEATH: Feb 20, 2008 - 9:31 AM
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
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I would have been nore that willing to lend the grage and a Hand. If you rent the tool [you get your money back] from Autozone then the jobs a snap. Get the free labor [that's not mine
] while you can.
Looks like there's gonna be a full garage this weekend. I have a paying oil change to do to - and she's a repeat customer cause I like to get a good hour drain and then flush with another quart and then drain 15mins-1/2hr then plug up, Filter up [ONLY OEM in my shop - or TRD
] and add the oil [Mobile1 Fully Synthetic of course]. Meanwhile while things are draing I check everything else and clean the engine covers and check for VC leaks etc.
That is why i only offer to "Gofer"
Usualy the only thing i do (without being paid) is to gofer another case of beer~
QUOTE (presure2 @ Nov 6, 2010 - 6:16 AM)Via FB: fcuking awsome!!! D-man FTW!QUOTE (DEATH @ Nov 11, 2008 - 5:40 PM)Damn D-Man - most impressive.QUOTE (99GT @ Nov 14, 2008 - 4:04 PM)D-Man's post should be a stickyQUOTE (samir0189 @ Nov 4, 2008 - 10:50 AM)LOL, oh boy, you can always count on D-Man for ridiculously hilarious posts.
OK - back to subject:
Date: March 1st
Time: 8PM till whenever
Place: Hooter's 290 [@ Hollister/Pinemont in front of Tinseltown
So the roll call:
-Death - TRD GT2 Badness
-Spacepanda - the new cornering monster [I'm gonna steal you tires...oops did I say that outloud? ]
-Monkey - Broken down beastie
-D-man - 5S-FTE Vert in progress
-Havok
-Chinaman?
Did I miss anyone?
Oh Stephen, Ngofcukingway,Poilitcsareevil - where are you
Politicsareevil is an OG HTC member like Ngofcukingway and I - ya'll welcome him.
This post has been edited by DEATH: Feb 20, 2008 - 9:38 AM
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
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OK - back to subject:
Date: March 1st
Time: 8PM till whenever
Place: Hooter's 290 [@ Hollister/Pinemont in front of Tinseltown
So the roll call:
-Death - TRD GT2 Badness
-Spacepanda - the new cornering monster [I'm gonna steal you tires...oops did I say that outloud? ]
-Monkey - Broken down beastie
-D-man - 5S-FTE Vert in progress
-Havok
-Chinaman?
Did I miss anyone?
Oh Stephen, Ngofcukingway,Poilitcsareevil - where are you
Politicsareevil is an OG HTC member like Ngofcukingway and I - ya'll welcome him.
Wait... isn't there going to be "hooters" too!? I cant wait to see them~
QUOTE (presure2 @ Nov 6, 2010 - 6:16 AM)Via FB: fcuking awsome!!! D-man FTW!QUOTE (DEATH @ Nov 11, 2008 - 5:40 PM)Damn D-Man - most impressive.QUOTE (99GT @ Nov 14, 2008 - 4:04 PM)D-Man's post should be a stickyQUOTE (samir0189 @ Nov 4, 2008 - 10:50 AM)LOL, oh boy, you can always count on D-Man for ridiculously hilarious posts.
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Wait... isn't there going to be "hooters" too!? I cant wait to see them~
Indeed there will be
Date: March 1st
Time: 8PM till whenever
Place: Hooter's 290 [@ Hollister/Pinemont in front of Tinseltown
So the roll call:
-Death - TRD GT2 Badness
-Spacepanda - the new cornering monster [I'm gonna steal you tires...oops did I say that outloud? ]
-Monkey - Broken down beastie
-D-man - 5S-FTE Vert in progress
-Havok
-Chinaman?
Did I miss anyone?
Oh Stephen, Ngofcukingway,Poilitcsareevil - where are you
Politicsareevil is an OG HTC member like Ngofcukingway and I - ya'll welcome him. Besides - he's got a "little" project you all might find interesting
This post has been edited by DEATH: Feb 20, 2008 - 10:37 AM
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
So like, who else takes down the Bentley wings besides me?
"He won't come out of the bathroom. He keeps telling us we're dark somethings and not his friends.""Hmm. Ask him if he's the dragon reborn.""What?""Just do it."".......He said yes.""Tell him you are not darklings. He should open up."".......Sweet. Thanks.""No problem."
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So like, who else takes down the Bentley wings besides me?
3 Mile for me - same heat diff flavor.
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
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Wait... isn't there going to be "hooters" too!? I cant wait to see them~
Indeed there will be
Date: March 1st
Time: 8PM till whenever
Place: Hooter's 290 [@ Hollister/Pinemont in front of Tinseltown
So the roll call:
-Death - TRD GT2 Badness
-Spacepanda - the new cornering monster [I'm gonna steal you tires...oops did I say that outloud? ]
-Monkey - Broken down beastie
-D-man - 5S-FTE Vert in progress
-Havok
-Chinaman?
Did I miss anyone?
Oh Stephen, Ngofcukingway,Poilitcsareevil - where are you
Politicsareevil is an OG HTC member like Ngofcukingway and I - ya'll welcome him. Besides - he's got a "little" project you all might find interesting
Whats up.... I should be able to throw down. I should be able to show up but not in the celica boooooo... Man I find it funny, Death and I started this celica hooters meet together 3 years ago. Wow. All because we rolled out to a few meets together and decided to get the houston celicas together and look at how many people want to come. Its pretty cool.
- Matt
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Wait... isn't there going to be "hooters" too!? I cant wait to see them~
Indeed there will be
Date: March 1st
Time: 8PM till whenever
Place: Hooter's 290 [@ Hollister/Pinemont in front of Tinseltown
So the roll call:
-Death - TRD GT2 Badness
-Spacepanda - the new cornering monster [I'm gonna steal you tires...oops did I say that outloud? ]
-Monkey - Broken down beastie
-D-man - 5S-FTE Vert in progress
-Havok
-Chinaman?
Did I miss anyone?
Oh Stephen, Ngofcukingway,Poilitcsareevil - where are you
Politicsareevil is an OG HTC member like Ngofcukingway and I - ya'll welcome him. Besides - he's got a "little" project you all might find interesting
Whats up.... I should be able to throw down. I should be able to show up but not in the celica boooooo... Man I find it funny, Death and I started this celica hooters meet together 3 years ago. Wow. All because we rolled out to a few meets together and decided to get the houston celicas together and look at how many people want to come. Its pretty cool.
- Matt
hope to see yah there.
So what car are you going to show up in?
"He won't come out of the bathroom. He keeps telling us we're dark somethings and not his friends.""Hmm. Ask him if he's the dragon reborn.""What?""Just do it."".......He said yes.""Tell him you are not darklings. He should open up."".......Sweet. Thanks.""No problem."
[quote name='politicsareevil' date='Feb 21, 2008 - 12:18 PM' post='644059']
Whats up.... I should be able to throw down. I should be able to show up but not in the celica boooooo... Man I find it funny, Death and I started this celica hooters meet together 3 years ago. Wow. All because we rolled out to a few meets together and decided to get the houston celicas together and look at how many people want to come. Its pretty cool.
- Matt
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I don't car if it's a yugo - run what ya brung bro. We got alot of catching up to do.
[BTW - we'll get your Hellica up in no time
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Date: March 1st
Time: 8PM till whenever
Place: Hooter's 290 [@ Hollister/Pinemont in front of Tinseltown
So the roll call:
-Death - TRD GT2 Badness
-Spacepanda - the new cornering monster [I'm gonna steal you tires...oops did I say that outloud? ]
-Monkey - Broken down beastie
-D-man - 5S-FTE Vert in progress
-Havok
-Chinaman?
-Politicsareevil HTC OG
still missing:
-Stephenlee
- Ngofcukingway[/quote]
ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI]PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYOSUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper SportsEXT: WRC/TRD/404QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them.Slow down Paul Walker.6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url]
Damn. How'd I miss this thread? I'm in fo sho.
-Alex {](O_o)[}1993.5 Toyota Supra....with stuff........sorta broken....1998 Toyota Celica....this one, too, has stuff........broken....yeah...definitely broken....
