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QUOTE (DEATH @ Sep 2, 2008 - 4:40 PM)

>That's funny - I saw Tool when they were nobody on second stage at one of the first Lollapalooza shows and I loved them. Since then I just find their music to be a bit too serious and IDK - Pompas [MSP?]. I dig their skill but I can't get into the music the way I did with their early stuff.
The Metallica debate will always be that way - there are people who like the Black album and newer and there are people like Griffy and myself who find that to be the end of a good thing. I think Griffy and I are old enough to remember them when they were not so mainstream and And Justice, while a very killer album, just made them famous and rich and it seemed like their values changed overnight. it's easy to say all that when I have no record deal for my own project [Harder to keep your integrity when the $$$ start getting waved in your face I'm sure].
good for them tho - they definetly put in their dues before they got the $$$.
Yeah that was slightly impossible for me, the time Tool were 2nd stage at Lollapalooza I was proably 6, and Metallica released the Black Album when I was 4

I kind of wish I was older though. I do agree that the new Tool stuff is a bit to serious though, well its not that its really gained any seriousness, the earlier stuff was pretty serious too. Its just lost its sharp wit, I think. There was something About Opiate and Undertow that was just very sarcastic and dry, and it was a bit more on the lo-fi sound, the actual music had a bit of an edge to it. The latter stuff though is a bit more progressive (musically) and existential (lyrically) and its lost a bit of that sarcastic tone. Plus some of it requires additional reading. (Lateralus for example uses the Fibonacci sequence ascending and descending) Its just different music altogether. Most of the fun of Tool though, is not actually listening to the music, its playing it.
On metallica: I think they got in their dues long before Justice though. Justice was just a bonus before they sold out big time. I think their magnum opus was Master of Puppets. I never really got into Justice, its the only album missing from my Metallica discography (I actually still own St. Anger. I'm saving it for my kids to hear, so they know how bad of an album it was

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