hi,

my '98 ST202 (EU version) has this plate bellow cup holder.
Does anyone have more information what was included in this special edition?





thanks

f.

This post has been edited by fallout: Oct 5, 2008 - 9:04 AM

I wasn't aware that there is a CS version of the ST202? I thought the CS's were all special editions of the ST185 GT4's?

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maybe previous owner took that plate from ST185

CS was defenitely only an ST185 version.
I shed a tear for the poor CS who was violated for its id plate

Don't think any were violated. Looks to read 240/350.

There were a lot more that 350 CS's made

Could be region specific though?
Could be wrong, hell it happens

This is the first ive heared of a carlos sainz 202, or a carlos sainz anything (appart from a 185)

The EU version of the aus ST185 Group A Rallye/ jdm RC was called the carlos sainz, Ide be emailing your toyota and finding out. If its a genuine thing then your chassis number should relate to that plaque number.

As for the numbering, i dont know how many CS cars were delivered to EU, i think 5000 were made in total, 150 to aus. So its possible it was snaked from another car. The badge i dont recognise but being from aus, and the CS being a EU car its not supprising.

let us know.

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Post some more pics of your car so we can see if there are any other things that might point it to being a special edition that is so rare that nobody here has ever heard of them.
I'm guessing that it most likely was just taken off an st185 but I don't know for sure.

Yeah I'd like to know what you have in your ST202, does that mean Euro GT ? 3S-GE? Is it beams? 1998 JDM ST202 got 3S-GE Beams for SS-II+ (Equiv to Euro GT)

I notice leather seats, do you have superstrut suspension?

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It is regular 3S-GE, no superstrut. I've attached VIN picture. More pictures later...
Car was imported from Italy, so maybe Toyota had some special edition for their market.

whats it say down the lhs of the badge?

get in touch with a european toyota and ask them.

I've found this

autoscout.it

Mine is same (color etc.), but mine has leather seats.


Apparently this was limited edition for Italian market. I've googled Italian forums and found few informations.
It included sparco pedals and that plate.

this pic shows what a carlos sainz badge on a gt-four group a st185 looks like: click here

yours looks different.. it will be difficult to find the rest of the 349 celicas online..
i love when new info like this comes up from time to time.

Thats real cool and interesting. you do learn something new everyday.

there is no way that in 1998 they would have a Carlos Sainz edition st202.
All CS editions were on the st185s, not the 6 gens.
Not even the st205 were called Carlos Sainz editions, they were called WRCs and they have their own badge.

The plate was put there by someone who thought it was cool. That's all.

here in france at200 didier auriol edition existed.Never heard of 6gen carlos sainz

This post has been edited by zoik: Oct 11, 2008 - 5:22 AM

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for you doubters, i did a bit of reserch and this is one of the things i found. Seems they were indeed a itallian limited edition of 202's.

italian forum link

didnt do a translation, you dont need to, with my very very limited italian i can work out what that dude is talking about.

Very very interesting, i wonder how many other special edition models we dont know about exists.

case closed.

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Cuts,

great find, could someone translate in short what is included in this edition

First of all, Hi for everyone because i'am new.
And second...There are two of us i also have CS edition of 6 gen Celica. I bring some photos soon. Now there are only 348 Celica CS users left

niiice

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This is not any special edition... ST202 is absolutely common in Europe. That GT in the picture is just common pre-facelift GT. Nothing especial. If you open those those pictures you may noticed some of them are in Japanese... so... it's not like "SS-III for sale in Europe". Not at all...

here... I have searched info about your Celi in my EPC. Japanese database showed nothing. European gave me this:



so common Euro GT... and about CS edition... if I remember right they were made in 1995 only...last 5gen celis ever made...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Dec 21, 2008 - 12:51 PM

malpaso well thats bullsh!t, no *T18* series celicas were made in 1995, there production stopped in 1993 (there is a very very low ammount of 185's in the world as a 1994 (jan 1994) but technically they say its a 1993 anyway.

Clearly with what recycle put up it is a model.

question anwsered.

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Do you really think is adequate to message "if I remember right they were made in 1995 only" answer the way you have answered? In my opinion you must have troubles with people around because of your "communication skills"...

however back to fallout's car. Question is if he has CS edition celica. His VIN is saying "NO". No special modification at all (engine, transmition, body is the same as common Euro GT). However if you look in that Recycles magazine there is one shot where the same plate as fallout has in his car is. That IMHO means Italian dealers made this "edition" for local market to support sales of celica only. That's what I believe it is... no another model, just edition...

so my answer is: for EPC it's common Euro ST202 model, for Italian dealers Carlos Sainz special edition.

note: I wish someone would translate specification and what made this edition special. If it's just badge, special paint and color of seats or not... That's real valueable information!

i agree with martin. its just a normal euro gt mechanically at least. the same thing you see in UK with ST and SR. headlight sprayers dont make new model

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Well from the photos, looks like:

* Special edition red/black cloth seats (same as UK SR and JDM special editions) with option for leather seats
* Passenger airbag (same as SR and facelift GT for the UK)
* Different stereo
* Storage compartment beneath stereo
* Sports suspension? (if so, probably the same as the UK SR)
* Ltd edition badge on center console
* Alloy gear knob
* Red stiched leather steering wheel and gear gaitor
* 5-piece mats as standard?
* Washer jets on front lights? (someone mentioned it but not sure if based on fact or just a random example)
* Rear spoiler deleted


This post has been edited by BloodyStupidDavey: Dec 29, 2008 - 3:33 PM

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there was no xT18x series celicas ( 5th gen) made after jan 1994 (which were still known as a 93)...where is the confusion??


its clear its a 202 thats got all the best bits you could get on a non "four", and special edition plaques etc. Just like there is WRC series ST184's (just have gtfour seats, better trim then pov models etc, but arnt really any faster)

anyway good work bloke, its nice to have a special edition celica.

this thread should be close as the question is anwsered

This post has been edited by Cuts_the_Pilot: Jan 1, 2009 - 3:10 AM

Does the ST202 Euro GT generally come with red and black seats in 1998? There are some interesting differences between that '98 CS and a '98 JDM

Note: this is all off the top of my head, It would be cool if someone could point out some differences with the '98 EU ST202 GT


Tail lights ----- '98 CS: Pre facelift | '98 SS-II: Facelift | '98 SS-III: Facelift <--- thats a given, facelift tails are JDM only.
Interior -------- '98 CS: Red & black | '98 SS-II: Red & black | '98 SS-III: Red & black
Floor mats ----- '98 CS: "Celica", wide mats, not contoured | '98 SS-II: "Celica", contoured | '98 SS-III: "Celica Hyper sports", contoured
Steering wheel - '98 CS: 3 spoke stitched with airbag | '98 SS-II: 4 spoke stitched with airbag | '98 SS-III: 3 spoke stitched with airbag
Gear knob ----- '98 CS: Alloy gear knob??? What is this?? Definitely not Toyota | '98 SS-II: Stitched leather | '98 SS-III: Stitched leather
Alloy wheels --- '98 CS: 5 spoke, Toyota 15" | '98 SS-II: Toyota 16" | '98 SS-III: Toyota 6 Spoke 16" (Although they generally seem to sport white 16" OZ racing mags, Unsure if this is a factory option, But identical to the WRC ST205 mags)
Bodykit -------- '98 CS: Sideskirts | '98 SS-II: Sideskirts, 3 Post spoiler | '98 SS-III: Sideskirts, Front splitters, Rear splitters, 2 post spoiler on riser blocks
Engine --------- '98 CS: Silvertop 3S-GE | '98 SS-II: Redtop 3S-GE | '98 SS-III: Redtop 3S-GE
Suspension --- '98 CS: MacPherson | '98 SS-II: MacPherson | '98 SS-III: Superstrut


Hmmmm in the bottom left corner of the magazine it says that from a standstill our silvertop 3S-GE powered cars will do 0-400M in in 15.37 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's awesome!!!

This post has been edited by delusionz: Jan 3, 2009 - 6:06 AM

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Cuts_the_Pilot i think you'll never get the point. Nobody is confused except you. Malpaso made one simple mistake, instead of 3 pressed 5. It was so obvious that nobody even comment on that mistake except you. I dont think that you behave properly to a person that helped most people in these forums (including me) with parts and info at no personal gain. Malpaso has a vast knowledge in celicas. Just because you have a GT-4 doesn't automatically give you the knowledge or the right to respond to anyone in that way. We are all proud of our cars.

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98 SS2 has 3 spoke wheel

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That gearknob is TRD part. I hate the feeling of it!

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I have never seen a SS3 with GT4 wheels. In brochure SS2 has 15" steel wheels (like mine when it was imported in cyprus) and SS3 5 spoke 15" whites. Not sure if are OZ but for sure are not 16". Only GT4 came with 16". On 1996 brochure the white rims are TOM'S option