i know the celica wont beat the SI but I was wondering if the celica would be at lest close to beating it?

race your friend or whoever and find out

most people will reply like this

oh it depends on what mods

depends on the driver


blah blah

no way to know for sure for your situation...

if it's an ST, no way. if it's a GT, a little LESS no way. >>.

The SI will walk all over you... 160hp compared to 130-135 (assuming you have a GT)... plus the Civic has better gearing, a better powerband, and an 8K redline...

It amuses me when people continue to ask these types of questions...

I have a 97 ST. I raced a 97 Civic SI. It was a close race but I beat him buy less than a car length. I figure he just didn't know how to drive.

-3FingersCelica+Sep 28, 2003 - 7:53 AM

You may be right about that. But I did see the engine, it was DOHC. I don't know if the year was different or if it had an engine swap done. I just know what it had and that I beat it.

ok, it all depends on the driver(if yours is a GT). i have beaten 3 SI's with my lightly modded gt. they are way overrated if you ask me.
adam

i dont care what anyone says


a 115hp car that weighs almost exactly the same as a 160hp car would not win.

unless the guy stalled out at the beginning or something but that doesnt happen. people with civics race all the time so they dont kill it at the beginning often.

-GT2GT4+Sep 28, 2003 - 10:09 PM

-3FingersCelica+Sep 28, 2003 - 4:04 PM

Last time I checked, the only Civic with a DOHC engine is an SI. Please let me know if I'm wrong

LMAO. With an ST, the real question you should've asked is something like "Can my Celica beat a DX?", and even that would be a close race.

-Brian

my friend has a 98 civic dx hatchback and its really quick until he hits 3rd gear. he and i are planning to race as soon as i get some new tires. theres no way i can launch without peeling out.

yea civic hatchbacks are really quick because of how light and small they are...if i ever owned a civic thats what i would want.

-3FingersCelica+Sep 28, 2003 - 6:11 PM

lol..If that motor was the B16, the V-tech would womp you and wouldnt stop.
I dont see how this could have come to be, not calling you a liar bro, but as long as he was basically shifting.. if it was a real SI he would a have had you by a good margin.

No civic si's in 1997. They actually started back in 1984 with the CRX si till 1987. They then changed to the 88-91 CRX/Civic which there still was an Si model. It continued through 1992-1995 with the Si hatch back which had a d16z6 125hp motor not d15 127hp. There was none from 1996-1998. They were made again from 1999-2000 with a B16A2 OBDII version 160hp 111lb/ft of tq not 105. Then continued on with the new K20 series Si hatchse.

The 6th gen hatches (which only came with either a 1.5 non-vtec sohc in the CX and 1.6 non-vtec sohc in the dx. Both were dogs. They are made for one thing....gas milage. They are not fast and will not be fast. I guess a good race for an ST. :shrug: Either way both are high 16 low 17 second cars. >> The Civic Si with such a low stroke and sky high power band will not beat you off the line, it is the top of the power band where it will prevail. It is infact a TQless wonder.

Maybe you saw DOHC stickers on the side which can easily be picked up from a local Honda dealer for about $15 and slapped on any car. These posts kill me.

P.S. This was info was given to me by a friend who races ECHC for N.A.S.A. just for informative purposes.

This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Sep 29, 2003 - 1:27 AM

i think our STs need to worry about chevy malabus before we graduate to SIs, our cars are awesome. but they are **** in a drag race, thats not what the car was intended for, and it shows... so quit arguing that it can beat a car made with more performance in mind, just because its a "HONDUH" doesnt mean you can beat it. it makes me sick listening to people degrade Civic SIs just because there are too many people out there that buy a civic EX or DX, and expect it to be at the same level as a SI. Its the same thing as someone buying a Celica GT and expecting it to perform like a SS-iii. **** just isnt going to happen untill you put some REAL performance mods into it, intake and exhaust just doesnt cut it. Civic SIs are very nice cars... they are very economical and have a nice kick at high RPMs dont knock them just because they alot of times fall into the hands of idiots.

Wouldn't the distance of the race make a difference too between the two cars? I mean if you're just racing stoplight to stoplight couldn't a celica beat an SI?

-BlackSTX+Sep 29, 2003 - 1:29 PM

I raced a civic SI from a rolling 30 up to about 80... and was bumper to bumper, the road was a little small and dangerous so I stopped at 80. But that was pushing the car hard... very very hard. If it had kept going he would have pulled away most likely. Plus it was more of an exhibition of speed then a race.

And honda did make another DOHC Civic... Starting in '94 until '97 there is the Civic Del Sol V-tech engine... which was the same engine used in the '99-'00 Civic SI

-Chrobis+Sep 29, 2003 - 4:46 PM

-3FingersCelica+Sep 28, 2003 - 3:21 PM

even though the si's have 160 hp compared to the gt's 135, you have to remember that the si has a higher powerband. So unless the driver of the civic shifts right into or below the power band, the will lose alot of power with every shift. So even though the civic is quick, my celica has beaten many si civics, you can call me a liar, but their low end torque is just so fuggin weak the cant catch up. and as for civic ex's, even though they have 130 hp, st celicas should still be able to keep up, because just like their big brother(the si) they dont have torque.

-jayi12-15psi+Sep 30, 2003 - 11:55 AM

Kwanza is right, if I shift at 8000-8200 I land at about 6K rpms which is way above the 5500 rpm VTEC crossover. If the driver of the Si was just playing and shifting at 6K then yeah, they are not much of a threat...

theres so many factors that can play into a race, from driver skill, to weather conditions, to engine and tire wear, all the way to as minute as tire pressure.

given ideal conditions, 99 celica GT 5-speed off the show room floor with 0 miles, and a 99 Civic SI 5-speed off the show room floor with zero miles. if you were to neglect breakin time, take them to a drag strip, both drivers have the same skill and get identical reaction times, the Celica WILL NOT WIN. period. end of story. that is what i think the guy was asking.

A SS-ii or SS-iii would win, but not a USDM GT