Well then, explain it to me and the forum and stop being selfish with your awesome knowledge. 
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Just out of interest then, does lil joe have a spolier or a wing, Personally i would have counted it as a spoiler,
and a wing more like mine that is fixed on with "bracket" so to speak, saying that, is a gt4 a wing or a spoiler because i always call it a wing, which is against what i just said
Thanks in advance
rick
QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 28, 2008 - 12:01 PM) 
>also to be noted spoilers and wings are different. A spoiler is close to the body of the car where as a wing is offset in height by a reasonable amount
Just out of interest then, does lil joe have a spolier or a wing, Personally i would have counted it as a spoiler,
and a wing more like mine that is fixed on with "bracket" so to speak, saying that, is a gt4 a wing or a spoiler because i always call it a wing, which is against what i just said
Thanks in advance
rick
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i'd say the OP has a wing of sorts, albeit completely non functional except for being heavy. the GT4 i would consider a wing as well.
a spoiler is very close to the body and/or fully attached, where as a wing is up a good bit creating larger pressure zones.
QUOTE (rickstast @ Nov 28, 2008 - 1:45 PM)
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Just out of interest then, does lil joe have a spolier or a wing, Personally i would have counted it as a spoiler,
and a wing more like mine that is fixed on with "bracket" so to speak, saying that, is a gt4 a wing or a spoiler because i always call it a wing, which is against what i just said
Thanks in advance
rick
QUOTE (playr158 @ Nov 28, 2008 - 12:01 PM)
>also to be noted spoilers and wings are different. A spoiler is close to the body of the car where as a wing is offset in height by a reasonable amount
Just out of interest then, does lil joe have a spolier or a wing, Personally i would have counted it as a spoiler,
and a wing more like mine that is fixed on with "bracket" so to speak, saying that, is a gt4 a wing or a spoiler because i always call it a wing, which is against what i just said
Thanks in advance
rick
i'd say the OP has a wing of sorts, albeit completely non functional except for being heavy. the GT4 i would consider a wing as well.
a spoiler is very close to the body and/or fully attached, where as a wing is up a good bit creating larger pressure zones.
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how hard is it to go wiperless?
QUOTE (forkee @ Nov 27, 2008 - 7:20 PM)
>then theres the spoilerless, wiperless, lightweight cf option.
some spoilers look good, but all add weight. thats my excuse.
some spoilers look good, but all add weight. thats my excuse.
how hard is it to go wiperless?
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Alright, I went and did some research. What I found out is playr158 is exactly right, that a spoiler is mounted lower to the car and a wing is much higher. They create downforce at 50 mph, but really become efficient at 70 mph. Without anything on the front of your car to help create downforce, a spoiler on the trunk is practically useless. Eh, I'm not gonna summarize the article, I'm just gonna give you guys the link and if you care to read it, you can. There's no need to hear me babble on.
http://www.torquecars.com/tuning/spoiler-aerodynamics.php
Keep in mind that this specific article refers more to higher performance cars than just average cars like my stock GT.
http://www.torquecars.com/tuning/spoiler-aerodynamics.php
Keep in mind that this specific article refers more to higher performance cars than just average cars like my stock GT.
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i used to love wings as a kid... but then got tired of seeing them on all whack ass cars on the streets.
many wings are affordable to most people so they buy them at autozone and stick it on their honda,
toyota, etc. along with other cheap body parts and over all an ugly car. I think because of that, wings
carry a bad stigma to them. people dont want be associated with "Rice" so they dont like wings.
Personally i think it distorts the celicas body lines which are streamlined.
Although i kinda like them on certain cars, STI, GT4, EVo... But if i bought anyone of those, i would
Remove the wing immidiately.
many wings are affordable to most people so they buy them at autozone and stick it on their honda,
toyota, etc. along with other cheap body parts and over all an ugly car. I think because of that, wings
carry a bad stigma to them. people dont want be associated with "Rice" so they dont like wings.
Personally i think it distorts the celicas body lines which are streamlined.
Although i kinda like them on certain cars, STI, GT4, EVo... But if i bought anyone of those, i would
Remove the wing immidiately.
I notice a difference even at about 40 mph cornering with the gt4 wing, the 3 post seemed to feel
exactly the same as wingless but I noticed a distinct difference between spoilerless and the wing with
riser blocks. Same corners same speed, the rear washes out before the front wingless, and it seems
to be a toss up front vs rear with wing.
exactly the same as wingless but I noticed a distinct difference between spoilerless and the wing with
riser blocks. Same corners same speed, the rear washes out before the front wingless, and it seems
to be a toss up front vs rear with wing.
JDM guy made me do it.
The risers also tip the spoiler forward, which may help?
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i think a lot of the problems with wings is that they dont really flow with the nayural body style and design of the car. especially with our cars bein so curvy and having such distinct lines its hard to find a nice wing that flows with the body. kinda part of why a lot of people dont like the veilside body kit.
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Actually I have a spoiler. Its bolted to the to trunk and flares out as it goes higher. And even the smallest lip is functional. Im think of our car as a big paper airplane. It cut two slits in the back on slightly above the other raise the cen portion up u have a wing on ur paper airplane. Now think how air moves over under and around our cars. Dont think of the speed just the air. Now put a wing or a spoiler in the middle of the airflow. Wut happens is that airflow gets cut in half. U now have air flowing over the and under the air flowing under is trying to rise. while the air over is trying to lower. Easy way I can I can describe it is u get the same effect from a wing or spoiler as u do when u put ur hand out the window of a car and raise up and down. and magicly we have wut is know to be called down force. It really doesnt matter the speed.
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>i'd say the OP has a wing of sorts, albeit completely non functional except for being heavy. the GT4 i would consider a wing as well.
a spoiler is very close to the body and/or fully attached, where as a wing is up a good bit creating larger pressure zones.
a spoiler is very close to the body and/or fully attached, where as a wing is up a good bit creating larger pressure zones.
Actually I have a spoiler. Its bolted to the to trunk and flares out as it goes higher. And even the smallest lip is functional. Im think of our car as a big paper airplane. It cut two slits in the back on slightly above the other raise the cen portion up u have a wing on ur paper airplane. Now think how air moves over under and around our cars. Dont think of the speed just the air. Now put a wing or a spoiler in the middle of the airflow. Wut happens is that airflow gets cut in half. U now have air flowing over the and under the air flowing under is trying to rise. while the air over is trying to lower. Easy way I can I can describe it is u get the same effect from a wing or spoiler as u do when u put ur hand out the window of a car and raise up and down. and magicly we have wut is know to be called down force. It really doesnt matter the speed.
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I had remembered reading a thread about this a while ago.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=21344
There is a link to an outside website on there which ill also post below that describes functionality of the celica's distinct wing in both high and low positions from the mouth of one of TTE (toyota team europe) engineers.
http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/tte_ST205.htm
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=21344
There is a link to an outside website on there which ill also post below that describes functionality of the celica's distinct wing in both high and low positions from the mouth of one of TTE (toyota team europe) engineers.
http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/tte_ST205.htm
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you can call it a spoiler or a wing it really doesn't matter.
and if you actaully knew how aerodynamics work...speed is a completely important factor....downforce is created by making a low pressure zone under the wing and a high pressure zone above the wing...speed of the air is a DIRECT relationship to the magnitude of this function.
so no its not magical, there is a science to creating this function
my girlfriend says to put your hand out the window when you are sitting at a stoplight and see what happens....
This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 29, 2008 - 8:32 PM
QUOTE (Lil-Joe101 @ Nov 28, 2008 - 9:12 PM)
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Actually I have a spoiler. Its bolted to the to trunk and flares out as it goes higher. And even the smallest lip is functional. Im think of our car as a big paper airplane. It cut two slits in the back on slightly above the other raise the cen portion up u have a wing on ur paper airplane. Now think how air moves over under and around our cars. Dont think of the speed just the air. Now put a wing or a spoiler in the middle of the airflow. Wut happens is that airflow gets cut in half. U now have air flowing over the and under the air flowing under is trying to rise. while the air over is trying to lower. Easy way I can I can describe it is u get the same effect from a wing or spoiler as u do when u put ur hand out the window of a car and raise up and down. and magicly we have wut is know to be called down force. It really doesnt matter the speed.
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>i'd say the OP has a wing of sorts, albeit completely non functional except for being heavy. the GT4 i would consider a wing as well.
a spoiler is very close to the body and/or fully attached, where as a wing is up a good bit creating larger pressure zones.
a spoiler is very close to the body and/or fully attached, where as a wing is up a good bit creating larger pressure zones.
Actually I have a spoiler. Its bolted to the to trunk and flares out as it goes higher. And even the smallest lip is functional. Im think of our car as a big paper airplane. It cut two slits in the back on slightly above the other raise the cen portion up u have a wing on ur paper airplane. Now think how air moves over under and around our cars. Dont think of the speed just the air. Now put a wing or a spoiler in the middle of the airflow. Wut happens is that airflow gets cut in half. U now have air flowing over the and under the air flowing under is trying to rise. while the air over is trying to lower. Easy way I can I can describe it is u get the same effect from a wing or spoiler as u do when u put ur hand out the window of a car and raise up and down. and magicly we have wut is know to be called down force. It really doesnt matter the speed.
you can call it a spoiler or a wing it really doesn't matter.
and if you actaully knew how aerodynamics work...speed is a completely important factor....downforce is created by making a low pressure zone under the wing and a high pressure zone above the wing...speed of the air is a DIRECT relationship to the magnitude of this function.
so no its not magical, there is a science to creating this function
my girlfriend says to put your hand out the window when you are sitting at a stoplight and see what happens....
This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 29, 2008 - 8:32 PM
Lol playr ur a funny person. Nah but I see wut u mean. But this thread wusnt to start an arguement or nothin it was just to get everyones opinions on wings and spoilers. Thats all.
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A workmate called my spoiler huge and ugly. That is all
ps. I still love my spoiler
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ps. I still love my spoiler
This post has been edited by whatthe: Nov 29, 2008 - 9:15 PM
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Nice wing Joe.... Personally I like spoilers/wings whatever. I also think 6gc's look nice wingless. I plan on getting a TRD style wing for my celi. Some might call it a bit ricey, But the fact of the matter is it's my car my rules and what I like goes. It's that simple.
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Preach it brother, Yeah this is wut I wanted to see when I started this thread. People's opinions and thoughts on wings/spoilers. Thanx for the compliment man.
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i couldnt agree more... but to each his own
QUOTE (BURNSJ2 @ Nov 28, 2008 - 2:48 PM)
>the problems with wings is that they dont really flow with the nayural body style and design of the car. especially with our cars bein so curvy and having such distinct lines its hard to find a nice wing that flows with the body.
i couldnt agree more... but to each his own
lol i thinck i have the biggest one on here 
ill take pics in a few
ill take pics in a few
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Lil_Joe, I like your spoiler! I haven't actually looked at pictures of your car, but from what I can see in your signature I like it. Personally, I'm trying to get my hands on a GT4 spoiler. I love how it flows with the factory lines, since after all it's a factory spoiler. So I wouldn't say that everyone here hates wings at all, just that a lot of people hate goofy ricer wings like this.
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now i did see a wing almost like this one on an old body style prelude, the old square body, i have to say that it was the only one that ive seen that i liked. possibly because that body really didnt have "lines", but it looked nice.
QUOTE (richee3 @ Dec 2, 2008 - 12:25 PM)
>Lil_Joe, I like your spoiler! I haven't actually looked at pictures of your car, but from what I can see in your signature I like it. Personally, I'm trying to get my hands on a GT4 spoiler. I love how it flows with the factory lines, since after all it's a factory spoiler. So I wouldn't say that everyone here hates wings at all, just that a lot of people hate goofy ricer wings like this.
now i did see a wing almost like this one on an old body style prelude, the old square body, i have to say that it was the only one that ive seen that i liked. possibly because that body really didnt have "lines", but it looked nice.
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>now i did see a wing almost like this one on an old body style prelude, the old square body, i have to say that it was the only one that ive seen that i liked. possibly because that body really didnt have "lines", but it looked nice.
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that goofy wing is probably more functional than what the OP has
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Actually, sadly, that article I found and posted on here implied just that, that the wings with two fins like that are the most functional. Nonetheless, I'm not gonna be racing my car or anything any time soon, so I don't really need a functional wing. I just want one to look good
Playr, I'm feeling some sort of resentment towards Lil_Joe's wing Ha, no, I'm kidding.
QUOTE (playr158 @ Dec 2, 2008 - 11:57 PM)
>that goofy wing is probably more functional than what the OP has
Actually, sadly, that article I found and posted on here implied just that, that the wings with two fins like that are the most functional. Nonetheless, I'm not gonna be racing my car or anything any time soon, so I don't really need a functional wing. I just want one to look good
Playr, I'm feeling some sort of resentment towards Lil_Joe's wing
Ha, no, I'm kidding.
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U know how bad that hurts playr? I dont go talkin about ur car man. I just asked a simple question and wanted to hear people's opinion. I didn't need to hear a dissing perade. Wow,
This post has been edited by Lil-Joe101: Dec 3, 2008 - 7:55 AM
This post has been edited by Lil-Joe101: Dec 3, 2008 - 7:55 AM
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you wanted to hear people's opinions.. I gave you mine...why you hating on my opinion just cause you don't like it?!
I'm giving fact...your wing does 0 besides add weight. I used it as an example against other people's posting of "goofy ricer wing". Don't get all hurt cause 1 person doesn't like your ish.
This post has been edited by playr158: Dec 3, 2008 - 7:57 AM
I'm giving fact...your wing does 0 besides add weight. I used it as an example against other people's posting of "goofy ricer wing". Don't get all hurt cause 1 person doesn't like your ish.
This post has been edited by playr158: Dec 3, 2008 - 7:57 AM
I don't like that wing either, sorry Lil-Joe. But that's just my opinion. And what do you need my opinion for? It's your car, and you have the right to put on a spoiler.
I also think the standard GT4 spoiler is already very high, bit too high for me.
Most of the wings just add weight, but they can work, even on a fwd car. For example cornering at high speed (say 80km/h or 50mph and above).
And besides that, the 6th gen Celica is a good example of a sporty car which looks good withouth the spoiler.
I also think the standard GT4 spoiler is already very high, bit too high for me.
Most of the wings just add weight, but they can work, even on a fwd car. For example cornering at high speed (say 80km/h or 50mph and above).
And besides that, the 6th gen Celica is a good example of a sporty car which looks good withouth the spoiler.
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end of the day mate, its upto you what you put on your car no-one else!
hardly anyone in the world likes the veilside kit but I still love it so thats why I still have it, once I get bored then I might change but for the amount of effort I've put into it its not gonna be any time soon.
And HELLO to everyone, I ain't been on here for ages, 128 pages of new posts to be exact, sorry. Hope everyone is well!
hardly anyone in the world likes the veilside kit but I still love it so thats why I still have it, once I get bored then I might change but for the amount of effort I've put into it its not gonna be any time soon.
And HELLO to everyone, I ain't been on here for ages, 128 pages of new posts to be exact, sorry. Hope everyone is well!
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Welcome back!
Lil_Joe, I agree with vsideboy. It's your car, do what you like with it. There's no need to get into arguments over anything. Like vsideboy said, a lot of people don't like his Veilside body kit but he likes it and that's all that matters to him. If you like your wing, keep it. Playr has a nice car, and so do you. Both of your cars are better than mine, and you guys should be appreciative of that
QUOTE (vsideboy @ Dec 3, 2008 - 9:49 AM)
>end of the day mate, its upto you what you put on your car no-one else!
hardly anyone in the world likes the veilside kit but I still love it so thats why I still have it, once I get bored then I might change but for the amount of effort I've put into it its not gonna be any time soon.
And HELLO to everyone, I ain't been on here for ages, 128 pages of new posts to be exact, sorry. Hope everyone is well!
hardly anyone in the world likes the veilside kit but I still love it so thats why I still have it, once I get bored then I might change but for the amount of effort I've put into it its not gonna be any time soon.
And HELLO to everyone, I ain't been on here for ages, 128 pages of new posts to be exact, sorry. Hope everyone is well!
Welcome back!
Lil_Joe, I agree with vsideboy. It's your car, do what you like with it. There's no need to get into arguments over anything. Like vsideboy said, a lot of people don't like his Veilside body kit but he likes it and that's all that matters to him. If you like your wing, keep it. Playr has a nice car, and so do you. Both of your cars are better than mine, and you guys should be appreciative of that
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I'm supprised that i haven't been in this topic yet. Wings Are FTMFW!! 
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Honda-Civic-Skyline?
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QUOTE (richee3 @ Dec 2, 2008 - 2:25 PM)
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^ WTF is that? ^
Honda-Civic-Skyline?
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I wondered that too lol. But it had a nice gay spoiler on it so I thought the picture would work lol.
I wondered that too lol. But it had a nice gay spoiler on it so I thought the picture would work lol.
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