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QUOTE (presure2 @ Mar 2, 2009 - 4:47 PM) *
>the venom unit, if you wanna call it that, is a resistor that fools the car into thinking the car is cold at all times, so it dumps more fuel in.

hardly a "performance" mod.

its pretty much a ripoff.


so if the "venom" is just adding more fuel then wont that drown out some of the spark or something. if the car is getting to much fuel then it shouldnt make the car run better, it would probably make it run funny wouldnt it?

BABI BOI
Depends on the car....some may have initial power, some may not do a thing, and some may lose power. I remember Super Street Mag doing the test for the resistors a while back on a 240sx and a Miata. The Miata lost power, but the 240 gained about 5 to 10 hp. It's wasn't proven that it was going to have the same gain again with another 240 so information wasn't reliable.

Like presure said, hardly a performance mod and not likely gonna have the same performance increase.

This post has been edited by ZGear: Mar 2, 2009 - 9:28 PM
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QUOTE (ZGear @ Mar 2, 2009 - 9:26 PM) *
>Depends on the car....some may have initial power, some may not do a thing, and some may lose power. I remember Super Street Mag doing the test for the resistors a while back on a 240sx and a Miata. The Miata lost power, but the 240 gained about 5 to 10 hp. It's wasn't proven that it was going to have the same gain again with another 240 so information wasn't reliable.

Like presure said, hardly a performance mod and not likely gonna have the same performance increase.


so pretty much it would be just taking a chance on wasting about $300, but i guess if nobody trys it nobody will know, thanks for the replies

BABI BOI
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QUOTE (bccentaur3 @ Feb 15, 2009 - 12:38 AM) *
>send your camshafts out to webcams and get the 294 regrind. 20+ hp gain.



how much does this cost?
Babi,

Is your engine a 3S-GE? I got a 94 GT with a 3S-GE engine, and Turboing is not easy on that engine (read the forced induction thread). It involves upping the injectors, intake, exhaust system, turbo, intercooler, oil piping for intercooler, dump valves (note, in the UK blow off valves are illegal for street use. The dump valve must be internal/recirculated to be street legal), fuel controller, ECU replacement... Quite a bit of work, and lot sof money to have it tuned...
Also, a 3S-GE you cannot boost highly, just about 6 psi or so. More will need forged pistons and rods, and ensure your engine is healthy (very important!)
My engine is very healthy. This is also why I use full synthetic oil (halfords own brand, was only 5 GBP more expensive than their own brand semi synth oil). Teh engine sound sa bit more smoothly now...
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QUOTE (ksporry @ Jun 9, 2009 - 7:29 AM) *
>Babi,

Is your engine a 3S-GE? I got a 94 GT with a 3S-GE engine, and Turboing is not easy on that engine (read the forced induction thread). It involves upping the injectors, intake, exhaust system, turbo, intercooler, oil piping for intercooler, dump valves (note, in the UK blow off valves are illegal for street use. The dump valve must be internal/recirculated to be street legal), fuel controller, ECU replacement... Quite a bit of work, and lot sof money to have it tuned...
Also, a 3S-GE you cannot boost highly, just about 6 psi or so. More will need forged pistons and rods, and ensure your engine is healthy (very important!)
My engine is very healthy. This is also why I use full synthetic oil (halfords own brand, was only 5 GBP more expensive than their own brand semi synth oil). Teh engine sound sa bit more smoothly now...



no my motor is a 5s-Fe. i have been driving this car for a while now and it seems to have alot of power for being stock. but still i think i want to have a better motor to start with for a platform "bccentaur3" had mentioned something about a 3s swapp earlier. my question is, is the 3s motor a better platform than the 5s-Fe motor that is in my car now? if so what car can i find a 3s motor in and would it be worth the time and money to get the 3s motor and rip it down to the block and completely redo the whole thing with performance parts. (including the block) Then possibly turbo after it is all built.

BABI BOI
browse around the stickys.
the 3sgte is a turbod, performace motor out of the box
there are lots of threads about what it takes, costs, and how to go about it in the forced induction forum.

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
yes i know sorry. after i posted the last one i started to read the forced induction.
now i haven't read all of them just some of them but even if i get the 3s swapp i still want to ugrade the motor.
it was stated earlier that the 3s swapp should take me down to about 14 secs. in the 1/4 mile. so if i rebuild the 3s swapp from bottom up i should get even a better time right

BABI BOI
before doing anything, set some goals that you want to reach. then it gives you a direction you can head. and then start researching on how you can get there.

your goals can be anything from 'i want to make it a little nicer to drive' all the way to 'i want a 500hp, 10 second quartermile monster' naturally, some goals will cost more than others to reach. and some might not be possible at all. so take a realistic look at what you want and see who else has done similar things and read what has been done before. it'll give you a good launching point. if you're just wanting a 14 second car, first re-read this thread and follow their advice. then you can plan out a course to take.

'99 Celica GT - Sold'11 Mazdaspeed3
thank you to all who have replied. my goal is to come as close to a 10 sec. car as possible. i know i have alot of research to do and i am going to start.
the car is running strong now and the maintance is really good. so it is no hurry to get there.
even if my car never hits 10 secs. in a 1/4 mile then i wont be dissapointed as long as it is semi close and i am the one to do it all. then at least i will know that whatever it is in the end i can say i did my best and i did it all.
thanks again to all who have replied

BABI BOI
my gt4 out of the factory (with slightly elevated boost level) should be good for a mid 13 second run. if u had my motor directly swapped into ur car with the lower weight of your car, front wheel drive and good conditions, you may be able to find enough traction to run anywhere between a 13 second and a 14 second quarter, or you may end up spinning your front wheels on the spot.

at this stage if you still want to drive your car on the road you'll have to start looking at your wheels, brakes and suspension, or any use of power could end up dangerous for you.

Mike W1996 Toyota Celica ST205 GT-FOURGT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC269awhp / 273ft-lbs
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QUOTE (babi_boi @ Feb 11, 2009 - 12:39 AM) *
>right now all is stock exept intake, car is running good but it cant compete in the 1/4 mile. so the power goal is just to b able to run in the 1/4 and actually have a 1/2 way decent time.(somewhere around 10-12 sec in a 1/4 when the car is done)
it is a 94 and the maintenance seems to b ok but the sparkplug wires are tiny so when i do the tune up i dont really want to put the same tiny stock wires on, do i?
and if i get bigger wires how big can i go with out going to big, then with bigger wires am i going to have to get a better distributor or injectors?


10-12 second 1/4 mile in a 6gc, your looking at e153 tranny conversion with a 3s-gte or 5s-gte pushing 300+WHP
maybe an MR2 would be a better bet for you my friend!
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QUOTE (babi_boi @ Jul 8, 2009 - 3:07 PM) *
>my goal is to come as close to a 10 sec. car as possible.

I would find a front engine rear wheel drive car with a decent sized engine bay and start there. much more practical. However, if your pockets run deep then you could do something like this.

No offense, I love my car, but if my goal was to build a quick 1/4 mile car, I wouldn't start with a celica. I'd start with an old F-body pony car( Mustang, Camaro, Firebird, etc.)

'99 Celica GT - Sold'11 Mazdaspeed3
do you know how hard it is to make a 10 sec FWD car? i have a 2001 Celica GTS making 545 WHP and its still not in the 10's thats because i was on a drag radial and not a slick and i havent a tranny to support it. once i finish the E153 conversion and put on slicks, im sure ill be in the 10's. its going to take alot to get a 5S-FE in that range. fully built internals, a medium sized turbo, fuel system to support, and engine management.

read up on my threads and Pressure2's threads. i think we will have the most information that you need. and ofcourse the stickies.

dont get your hopes up on 10 seconds. that is not an easy feat to reach.

2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
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QUOTE (jimmykay @ Jul 9, 2009 - 10:50 AM) *
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QUOTE (babi_boi @ Jul 8, 2009 - 3:07 PM) *
>my goal is to come as close to a 10 sec. car as possible.

I would find a front engine rear wheel drive car with a decent sized engine bay and start there. much more practical. However, if your pockets run deep then you could do something like this.

No offense, I love my car, but if my goal was to build a quick 1/4 mile car, I wouldn't start with a celica. I'd start with an old F-body pony car( Mustang, Camaro, Firebird, etc.)


i already have a 1995 nissan 240 sx se. that is rwd and the motor is built. not sure what it does in a 1/4 but i know with it built it kills the celica every time

BABI BOI
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Jul 9, 2009 - 11:03 AM) *
>do you know how hard it is to make a 10 sec FWD car? i have a 2001 Celica GTS making 545 WHP and its still not in the 10's thats because i was on a drag radial and not a slick and i havent a tranny to support it. once i finish the E153 conversion and put on slicks, im sure ill be in the 10's. its going to take alot to get a 5S-FE in that range. fully built internals, a medium sized turbo, fuel system to support, and engine management.

read up on my threads and Pressure2's threads. i think we will have the most information that you need. and ofcourse the stickies.

dont get your hopes up on 10 seconds. that is not an easy feat to reach.


the car doesnt have to reach 10 secs. i would just like it to be as close as i can possible get it. i know it is really hard to get a fwd car to be a 10sec car but i like to try the impossible or nearly impossible. so i am going to do all the research that i can possibly do than after the research i will review it all than decide on what i want. thanks for the reply

BABI BOI
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QUOTE (delusionz @ Jul 8, 2009 - 5:49 PM) *
>my gt4 out of the factory (with slightly elevated boost level) should be good for a mid 13 second run. if u had my motor directly swapped into ur car with the lower weight of your car, front wheel drive and good conditions, you may be able to find enough traction to run anywhere between a 13 second and a 14 second quarter, or you may end up spinning your front wheels on the spot.

at this stage if you still want to drive your car on the road you'll have to start looking at your wheels, brakes and suspension, or any use of power could end up dangerous for you.


i plan on doing the wheels, brakes, suspension, etc as well as the motor. my plan is to get all the stuff and then do it all together.

BABI BOI