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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jun 30, 2016 - 2:23 PM)

>ok go ahead and look at C-One celica rally vs Integra Type R techno pro spirits on BEST Motoring
both cars received a 10ps bump in power. to me it seems the ECU is only there to manage whatever parts are bolted on or added to engine as long as you don't open it up and mess with cams/timing and compression ratio when you have a N/A build. turbo on the other hand is a different story.
the C-One rally team and Techno Pro Spirits are well known tuning companies in japan. so you saying a very smart tuner can squeeze a lot out of the motor is not believable. If you've watched best motoring, the show always leans towards honda builds, B, K and F series motors. so you know the tuning companies, which build the engines quite well, don't withhold power(even though they do with toyota featured vehicles when it comes to internal components).
the Integra type r from that video does have the valve seats ported from factory by hand, because i've seen the integra type r video featured on Best motoring, just saying.
2K$ ecu is something like motec. I know you can get a AEM unit here in the states for $850 if im not wrong plus the tune. So you saying 20-30whp from a tune alone is not possible with simple bolt on's. even the ITB from 4age on beams redtop has only seen a 20hp increase from numbers posted on MR2 board beams sub forum
so yea need some proof sir... to prove whatever knowledge i have as wrong.
I never know when you post, if you are legitimately asking a question for your own learning or just fact checking me.
also, we are in the states, lets use WHP.
watching best motoring you are only ever really applying loose theories based off of other cars/engines tuning and performance results, not all 4 bangers are the same. first hand is the best hand.
Alot of people perceive that tuning is some sort of dark magic that only bearded 90yr old men in japan know how to do. Im not speaking as a person who knows alot of the process but I know that (and am not lessening the genius of some of those top tuning companies) there are other people who can tune as good if not better than those people.
I never said that a 30whp gain isnt possible from an ECU upgrade to compliment bolt ons. It would most defintely get up there if not more.
I was speaking about an OEM engine configuration. That a tuner might be able to get an additional 30whp out of the motor with some more aggressive tactics in the tuning process as the BEAMS runs pretty rich.
Yes 2K is like Motec or Haltech. A good AEM ecu like the infinity is around $1500 IIRC.
MY opinion on ECU's is that I would want a product that has been proven and that has a large support base. And Motec/Haltech/AEM are the front runners.
Yeah YOU could get a LINK ecu or the like for probably $600 or so, but I wont.
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QUOTE (richee3 @ Jun 30, 2016 - 2:37 PM)

>If you have any basic tuning knowledge, you're aware that Toyotas (and especially the BEAMS) are tuned to run pig rich. Lean it out safely and run slightly more aggressive timing and you'll see immediate gains. There's a very popular saying in tuning, "lean is mean." Too lean is dangerous, of course, but the BEAMS has plenty of room for improvement. Not to mention the Redtop was tuned to always assume the MAF is sitting in the stock intake, causing power loss and issues running if you use any other intake. A simple standalone allows us to start modifying the BEAMS. Is it cheap? Not necessarily, but the BEAMS factory ECU holds the motor back significantly. Can't learn everything from watching Best Motoring videos on YouTube. Gotta look into other resources too.
There are alot of ECUs that will be able to support all the BEAMS functions, it would be a great mod for anyone that wants to keep an OEM engine config, and just pump it up a bit more.
But there are hiccups that come with standalones, and I have yet to really figure out if they are as reliable as a stock ECU. I have heard they can be
This post has been edited by richee3: Jun 30, 2016 - 1:57 PM