First off. Thank you. I did look over the harness before starting but must say I was a little confused as its a little intimidating when you dig into it. Thats when I decided to post up and start doing more research.

So now that you have guided me in the right direction. Pin 18(white) and Pin17(dark grey) are now connected. In reviewing all of the 3 vertical plugs, here is what I have that does not match.


Plug E6 (light grey)
USDM Harness has Pin 4 - missing on Beams harness - wire color blue with orange rings

Plug E3 (Dark Grey)
USDM harness has Pin 1 - Beams Pin 8 - Wire color white with blue stripe
USDM harness has Pin 10 - 0 on Beams - wire color blue with white stripe
USDM harness has Pin 16 - 0 on Beams - wire color pink
USDM harness missing Pin 9 - Beams has this - wire color solid grey/silver ring

Thanks


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This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 13, 2009 - 8:56 AM

sorry if I came off like a jerk, it was late at night and I was tired.
FYI if you car was an auto, doing this will not make your car start.

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Its a manual.

This celica is being gutted. Cruise, ABS, Airbags all coming off along with everything that is not needed for it to run. It will never see pavement again. Already removed AC and power steering.

I will go over everything again and see if it starts.

Thanks again.


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This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 13, 2009 - 9:14 AM

the reason I ask if it was an auto is the pink wire on IJ1 pin 16 is only on autos...or at least I thought. My 95 GT doesn't have that wire, maybe just a 94 thing.

any recent pics of the car ?

I will get some up today. It turns over and sounds like its gonna start but then doesnt. So i am puzzled. Gonna pop out hte plugs and check compression and spark and I knows its getting fuel to the injectors. I am also suspect of vacuum. I am using my charcoal canister and believe to have all the lines hooked up correctly but that might be my issue.

Will post up a little later.

Update: Spark on all cylinders.
Cylinder Compression is 165 on 1 and 2
Cylinder Compression is 178 on 3 and 4

My book says compression for the 3sge-non beams should be 178 reg with a 142 min. Does anyone have the offical beams compression in lbs per inch?

Got back in and tried to start and it ran for a brief second. The fuel line definitely has pressure on it as i had a small leak which rules out the fuel pump.
Beginning to suspect the injectors and the TPS sensor. Because holding the throttle in one spot has better results than not touching at all.

Update:
Injectors seem to be working all indications point to AFM and T/B. Gonna get that aftermarket intake and do some cleaning.

Update 9/14
Had it running after fabricating a make shift intake as I do not have the stock beams box. Its running on a open header and idles okay. Ordered that CAI pipe with the AFM sleeve off ebay should be here friday. Will see how that goes.

This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 14, 2009 - 2:31 PM

whoa is that compression right? 3sge (3gen) is about +190psi

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From mr2 beams forum.

Compression pressure:
Reference level 1.37Mpa converted to psi is 198.7
Limit 1.08Mpa converted to psi is 146.4

This makes sense because the non beams 3sge is 10.5:1 and the beams is 11.0:1

does the stock 5sfe MAF sensor work with the 3sgem beams?

Anyone have a beams B-pipe laying around the want to sell? Or has anyone had any luck modding the 5sfe b-pipe? I am toying with this option or just cutting off the stock manifold right above the collector and welding up my own. I would prefer stock option versus welding.

Throwing the axles in now and removing the sway bar and the rest of the exhaust system why I got it up in the air. Then I have get the dash figured out.

what is the b pipe? the second part of the exhaust? yours did not have it?

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Yeh its the second pipe from the exhaust manifold. It takes it from two to 1.

the issue is the b pipe and rest of the exhaust is 2.25". I'm planning on doing just what you've said, cutting right after the collector then welding 2.5" all the way back.

cut the b-pipe at the level of 17410 or cut after the b-pipe where the catalyst is? you will need to post pics when you do this

i have also been lookng at aftermarket headers and there is none...

its aftermarket header, single not plural. i was thinking of getting the pheonix header from a member on the mr2 forums and having somebody fabricate one here in CA. wonder how much that would cost???

the redtop has a Mass Air Flow Meter. so its called a MAF sensor correct????

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oh right got you now, that makes more sense, 3sge 3gen is 10.3:1 btw I'd love the extra .2

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the toyota standard extrators flow quite well already, so any increase would be small, match porting, port and polish will help.

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the 5s dont use a MAF.

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If I had the Bpipe I would cut it before the cat. However since I do not I need to get creative.

- source brass gaskets part 17410b - then fabricate a adapter to bolt up to the stock manifold and go custom from there.
- buy a 1.875" ID Primary to 2.5" or 3" Y collector and weld it to the exhaust manifold - then custom from there back.
- cut the exhaust manifold at each primary where they enter the two collectors and extend them to a 4 to 1 collector. By far the most intensive.


I am looking for my power band to be smooth and to mid to high end. Here is a good article on long tube vs shorty. http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techartic...test/index.html

I did beams swap to celica st202 , 2 years ago ,

I have spare:

-MAF
- ECU (from MT red-top) if You need it
- Y pipe (b-pipe ) available in 2 weeks for sale
- stock flywheel , stock clutch

If You still have problems with wiring , let me know

This post has been edited by pasqual: Sep 15, 2009 - 12:41 PM

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there you go turnip

whats the condition of all od this and do you have prices that include shipping to US, B-pipe is for Turnip if he wants it

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Appreciate the offers. Bpipe probably weights 30lbs? I would have to imagine shipping from Poland to US would cost at least a $150. Let me know.

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So i measured everything today and it looks like the exhaust manfold (E/M) above the brass gaskets is about 1.875 diameter and then goes to 2" at the flange.

I bought one of the those 1 7/8 OD to 2" ID adapters at Advance Auto today and I am contemplating cutting it down to about an inch on the 1 7/8 side and sliding it up into the stock E/M and welding it. Then run two pipes to a y collector and so on.

This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 15, 2009 - 9:18 PM

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I thought the beams didn't have a MAF? How does it measure the air then?

It does have a MAF, but for the beams its refered to as AFM - and its very sensitive with air. Too much air will kill it.

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so the AFM... Is it located in the same place, between the air filter and the throttle body? I'm asking cuz I am looking to buy a beams but I want to know what to ask these guys to make sure they send me everything i need for the swap... I'm having a hard time even after reading all of this stuff...

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those gaskets you need are 90917-06075

6 dollars each at 1sttoyota.

the b-pipe looks like is the same as any 3sge...

there is this guy selling some headers in ebay and its for the 7a engine but he also puts 3sge, the b-pipe looks very similar to the 3sge, however not confirmed.

Anybody with 7a headers from ebay, might help you out.

Just trying to help

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the maf is also compatible with certain v6 avalons and solaras, you can also get a cai for the solara if you clip does not come with it.

make sure you get the brackets to mount the throttle cable, and the sensors are ok. there are a couple of beams without these brackets.. or broken sensors....

i have been researching too as well....

ohhh

ebay link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/94-95-96-97...sQ5fAccessories

you know we need to have a beams section... lol

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Yep you are correct - between throttle body and air filter.

Also another extra piece of info for those who have or will have 3SGE beams. The AFM sensor plug has 5 wires. The MAF/AFM on the 05 corolla and 06 Solara is the same plug (most likely any 99+ MAF), but different size sensor. I swapped the solara's afm to the beams and noticed it was not as air sensitive as the beams AFM - car would still run with the AFM not inside the intake pipe, as for the beams AFM, it would immediately shut off when you remove it from its adapter. I wonder if the beams would run better with the Solara MAF -- something for me to test later. My local auto parts store sells the MAF adapter intake kit for the camry, corolla for $14, so I will run with it tomorrow to see if my beams would be better with it or not (just being curious)

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Keep me posted on how you make out as as soon as this thing starts to see the dirt track and get jostled around I suspect I will have some issues. I still cannot get over how sensitive it is.

rusty is fixing up the site a bit. he is going to put information of all the celica engines in individual threads, so there is a sticky of all information on 7afe, 5sfe, 3sge, 3sgte, etc. So there eventually will be a beams redtop section.

uhh what are you talking about. i bought the 7afe header from ebay. a couple of months ago they changed the description to 3sge, why they did that i have no clue. so that downpipe will not work with 3sge. more info on this redtop is good stuff.

OK, - confirmed - the other MAF from 99+ toyota's that share the same plug will not work - it threw a CEL.