All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...
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QUOTE (keison2000 @ Sep 10, 2009 - 3:38 PM) 
>All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...
Preach on Brotha Keison! Preach on! Amen to that!
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Hands down the quote of the day.
QUOTE (keison2000 @ Sep 10, 2009 - 6:38 PM)
>All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...
Hands down the quote of the day.
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very good discussion everybody. wow I couldn't believe it when presure 2 said that only 81 all trac celica were sold in 1993. then i searched it and it was a fact. what a shame 
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i agree with keison x20000000
and richee youre right we do get japan's junk... and be that as it may, they need to drop subaru, stop BULL$#!ttING and just start remanufacturing the 4th gen 3sgte (which was discontinued RECENTLY 2003-04?)
BADA-BING cheap solution 265whp for starters. but im a dreamer so what do i know?
QUOTE (richee3 @ Sep 9, 2009 - 12:41 PM)
>I have driven the V6 Solara, and although it feels quick, it's certainly not a sports car, sports coupe, or sports anything. I wanted one for a while because they feel quick but have the practicality of a Camry.
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You just hit the nail on the head. Another thought is that America keeps outsourcing our jobs to other countries because of cheap labor. Toyota keeps outsourcing their jobs to America. America is Japan's Mexico, as it were. And when the Japanese are done with all the good stuff, they scrap their cars and send what's left here, just like you said.
Death, strong words there. But I have to say I completely agree.
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>however many are making tons of money selling crap, cause you guys do realize we are importing all the crap japans disposes. And we call it JDM. RPM garage calls it the rarest of the rarest.
Anothers man trash is our treasure. Ironic.
Anothers man trash is our treasure. Ironic.
You just hit the nail on the head. Another thought is that America keeps outsourcing our jobs to other countries because of cheap labor. Toyota keeps outsourcing their jobs to America. America is Japan's Mexico, as it were. And when the Japanese are done with all the good stuff, they scrap their cars and send what's left here, just like you said.
Death, strong words there. But I have to say I completely agree.
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QUOTE (keison2000 @ Sep 10, 2009 - 5:38 PM)
>All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...
i agree with keison x20000000
and richee youre right we do get japan's junk... and be that as it may, they need to drop subaru, stop BULL$#!ttING and just start remanufacturing the 4th gen 3sgte (which was discontinued RECENTLY 2003-04?)
BADA-BING cheap solution 265whp for starters. but im a dreamer so what do i know?
QUOTE (Galcobar @ Oct 15, 2008 - 2:44 AM)You want power but have no money. That's a problem.Cheap. Reliable. Fast. Pick two.
There are reasons why things are they way they are. Latest rumor is that celica will be catered to your dad and your grandpa. Latest rumor is that people are also trying to buy environmentally and gas efficient vehicles. What boggles my mind though is that while toyota keeps scratching their head I see the general trend sort of "leave" toyota cars.
Just look outside your window and count number of all wheel drive subaru wrx. You can stop counting at 10 because you will be done counting in probably next 10 minutes.
Sure lets built fuel efficient vehicles... but lets also at least try to retain your dignity or something. There are now far more evolutions and sti's cruising around than there are honda and toyota vehicles. Not everywhere, of course but toyota has arguably kissed their sports vehicles good bye. I think what is happening is that as all of us car tuners growing up we tend to "upgrade" to what is available.
As for revival of celica... we are going to see exactly what is it in just little bit. Tokyo motor show is just around the corner in october. I think.... well I know.. that if this little promotional concept car will turn out to be a sports dud then my next vehicle will be either evo9 or evo10. My 11 year commitment to toyota brand,,, and my parent's commitment to toyota brand is stretching thin.
Bottom line is that people buy sports cars knowingly that they will be eating gas like crazy but deliver all the fun in the world. What car manufacturers need to do is keep producing sports cars but price them lower. Lets look at evo vs sti debacle. One costs 30 and one costs 40. Both vehicles are comparable but one comes out to $800/mo and another to about $500 and therefore you see far more sti's than evo's. If toyobaru was a all wheel drive bucket of fun priced at $400 per month I swear I would jump on that idea so fast its not even funny.
Just look outside your window and count number of all wheel drive subaru wrx. You can stop counting at 10 because you will be done counting in probably next 10 minutes.
Sure lets built fuel efficient vehicles... but lets also at least try to retain your dignity or something. There are now far more evolutions and sti's cruising around than there are honda and toyota vehicles. Not everywhere, of course but toyota has arguably kissed their sports vehicles good bye. I think what is happening is that as all of us car tuners growing up we tend to "upgrade" to what is available.
As for revival of celica... we are going to see exactly what is it in just little bit. Tokyo motor show is just around the corner in october. I think.... well I know.. that if this little promotional concept car will turn out to be a sports dud then my next vehicle will be either evo9 or evo10. My 11 year commitment to toyota brand,,, and my parent's commitment to toyota brand is stretching thin.
Bottom line is that people buy sports cars knowingly that they will be eating gas like crazy but deliver all the fun in the world. What car manufacturers need to do is keep producing sports cars but price them lower. Lets look at evo vs sti debacle. One costs 30 and one costs 40. Both vehicles are comparable but one comes out to $800/mo and another to about $500 and therefore you see far more sti's than evo's. If toyobaru was a all wheel drive bucket of fun priced at $400 per month I swear I would jump on that idea so fast its not even funny.
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800 500 and 400 dollars a month FOR WHAT EXACTLY!?!?!?!?!?!????????? please tell me youre including insurance gas etc and not JUST CAR PAYMENTS... lol my credit isnt THAT BAD... 
all jokes aside i agree on that point. and toyota is PERFECTLY capable of providing a vehicle within that price range, BUT as stated before, toyota is admittedly afraid of their own potential.... sorta like the democrats
This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Sep 13, 2009 - 9:29 PM
all jokes aside i agree on that point. and toyota is PERFECTLY capable of providing a vehicle within that price range, BUT as stated before, toyota is admittedly afraid of their own potential.... sorta like the democrats
This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Sep 13, 2009 - 9:29 PM
QUOTE (Galcobar @ Oct 15, 2008 - 2:44 AM)You want power but have no money. That's a problem.Cheap. Reliable. Fast. Pick two.
I meant in car payments mate. Owning an evo every month probably equates to 1200 ish. Thats for the Raliant X model. Average evo 9 sells for around 25K with 8.7 percent apr at a dealership. 2008 evo x comes with 0 percent apr at a dealership but is also costs 40 grand ;-(
edit: estimates are just based off calculator on their site
This post has been edited by yarik83: Sep 14, 2009 - 8:44 PM
edit: estimates are just based off calculator on their site
This post has been edited by yarik83: Sep 14, 2009 - 8:44 PM
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and Hyundai will have earned my business with a Genesis coupe if Toyota doesn't get the picture soon.
I love the Celica, but when I finish my degree in a year or 2 the car will be well over the 200k mark and I'll be needing something.
As far as the Toyobaru, I think it could be a good car. The boxer engine has potential, and tons of aftermarket support. They are every bit as reliable as a Toyota motor, and sound pretty mean too. RWD or AWD the car will be good. I just hope there isn't a huge price markup, they need something in the low 20's to compete with the Genesis coupe and the Civic Si.
QUOTE (keison2000 @ Sep 10, 2009 - 5:38 PM)
>All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...
and Hyundai will have earned my business with a Genesis coupe if Toyota doesn't get the picture soon.
I love the Celica, but when I finish my degree in a year or 2 the car will be well over the 200k mark and I'll be needing something.
As far as the Toyobaru, I think it could be a good car. The boxer engine has potential, and tons of aftermarket support. They are every bit as reliable as a Toyota motor, and sound pretty mean too. RWD or AWD the car will be good. I just hope there isn't a huge price markup, they need something in the low 20's to compete with the Genesis coupe and the Civic Si.
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that model looks soo sick
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it looks nice kinda looks like the genesis just better but 160ps!! fail.
QUOTE (yarik83 @ Sep 15, 2009 - 6:48 AM)
it looks nice kinda looks like the genesis just better but 160ps!! fail.
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toyota is like austin powers, its lost its mojo.
This post has been edited by gomezjose26: Sep 15, 2009 - 7:44 AM
QUOTE (yarik83 @ Sep 13, 2009 - 9:41 PM)
>There are reasons why things are they way they are. Latest rumor is that celica will be catered to your dad and your grandpa. Latest rumor is that people are also trying to buy environmentally and gas efficient vehicles. What boggles my mind though is that while toyota keeps scratching their head I see the general trend sort of "leave" toyota cars.
Just look outside your window and count number of all wheel drive subaru wrx. You can stop counting at 10 because you will be done counting in probably next 10 minutes.
Sure lets built fuel efficient vehicles... but lets also at least try to retain your dignity or something. There are now far more evolutions and sti's cruising around than there are honda and toyota vehicles. Not everywhere, of course but toyota has arguably kissed their sports vehicles good bye. I think what is happening is that as all of us car tuners growing up we tend to "upgrade" to what is available.
As for revival of celica... we are going to see exactly what is it in just little bit. Tokyo motor show is just around the corner in october. I think.... well I know.. that if this little promotional concept car will turn out to be a sports dud then my next vehicle will be either evo9 or evo10. My 11 year commitment to toyota brand,,, and my parent's commitment to toyota brand is stretching thin.
Bottom line is that people buy sports cars knowingly that they will be eating gas like crazy but deliver all the fun in the world. What car manufacturers need to do is keep producing sports cars but price them lower. Lets look at evo vs sti debacle. One costs 30 and one costs 40. Both vehicles are comparable but one comes out to $800/mo and another to about $500 and therefore you see far more sti's than evo's. If toyobaru was a all wheel drive bucket of fun priced at $400 per month I swear I would jump on that idea so fast its not even funny.
i see more of the newer mustangs more then anything else, havent seen a sti or an evo for a while.ive seen more massaratis than subarus lol and a wrx for me is around $350 a month and i have no credit history, i guess you just have to talk to the dealer.Just look outside your window and count number of all wheel drive subaru wrx. You can stop counting at 10 because you will be done counting in probably next 10 minutes.
Sure lets built fuel efficient vehicles... but lets also at least try to retain your dignity or something. There are now far more evolutions and sti's cruising around than there are honda and toyota vehicles. Not everywhere, of course but toyota has arguably kissed their sports vehicles good bye. I think what is happening is that as all of us car tuners growing up we tend to "upgrade" to what is available.
As for revival of celica... we are going to see exactly what is it in just little bit. Tokyo motor show is just around the corner in october. I think.... well I know.. that if this little promotional concept car will turn out to be a sports dud then my next vehicle will be either evo9 or evo10. My 11 year commitment to toyota brand,,, and my parent's commitment to toyota brand is stretching thin.
Bottom line is that people buy sports cars knowingly that they will be eating gas like crazy but deliver all the fun in the world. What car manufacturers need to do is keep producing sports cars but price them lower. Lets look at evo vs sti debacle. One costs 30 and one costs 40. Both vehicles are comparable but one comes out to $800/mo and another to about $500 and therefore you see far more sti's than evo's. If toyobaru was a all wheel drive bucket of fun priced at $400 per month I swear I would jump on that idea so fast its not even funny.
toyota is like austin powers, its lost its mojo.
This post has been edited by gomezjose26: Sep 15, 2009 - 7:44 AM
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Sorry, but
. It looks like a Solstice.
QUOTE (yarik83 @ Sep 15, 2009 - 6:48 AM)
Sorry, but
. It looks like a Solstice.
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It looks exactly like solstice.
When I commented on prices I went to www.mitsubishicars.... there evolution 10 aka raliant comes in mr, mrs, gsr models. gsr is cheaper but according to the calculator mr costs about 800 with 0APR. I would agree that one could bargain down the price and cost of deposit and trade in also play role when determining final price. Overall with no hanky panky evo is obviously more expensive. I would consider wrx but they seem to have made it look like ford focus 5 door and I like that baby in sedan.
I am just debating things with myself. I am being moved to new office which is only 16 minutes by bicycle. In all likelyhood I will either consider working on a celi or give someone here a really good deal on it and buy evo for offroad use. UNLESS... come october toyota pulls head out of their arse and reveals me a awd machine on steroids.
When I commented on prices I went to www.mitsubishicars.... there evolution 10 aka raliant comes in mr, mrs, gsr models. gsr is cheaper but according to the calculator mr costs about 800 with 0APR. I would agree that one could bargain down the price and cost of deposit and trade in also play role when determining final price. Overall with no hanky panky evo is obviously more expensive. I would consider wrx but they seem to have made it look like ford focus 5 door and I like that baby in sedan.
I am just debating things with myself. I am being moved to new office which is only 16 minutes by bicycle. In all likelyhood I will either consider working on a celi or give someone here a really good deal on it and buy evo for offroad use. UNLESS... come october toyota pulls head out of their arse and reveals me a awd machine on steroids.
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