Well this has been a very interesting thread, it seems like both are good choices. Trying to steer away from the turbo for now. Thanks for all the participation. 2GR-FE sounds like fun, in a couple of years

I have made my mind, and i want both. however i can only start with one. Down the road may look at the other one.

200HP is fine for me now. And the process has just begun!!!!!

good luck

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Sep 13, 2009 - 11:43 PM

well everyones adding there 2 cents so i'll just add mine as well. the Beams does have alot going for it being a 3S-GE it does have aftermarket support no doubt about that plus most people just love the High RPMs it can reach which make it an awesome engine for the track. But of course it lacks torque in the lower Revs however since it has VVT-i it's not as bad as older versions of the 3S-GE. the VZ series is usually older and has a Cast Iron block which can withstand high PSi if you ever plan on boosting it especially if you get the latest versions, but there not as common as they are over sea's. the MZ series is a good engine to go with also since it's all Aluminum which is light and later models have VVT-i and make pretty good power numbers an yes they have alot more torque than 4 cylinders. Plus there incredibly common engines in the US. But IMO i would get the early VVT-i MZ versions found is some lexus models that have Duel throttle Bodies with Aluminum Intake Manifolds over the single throttle bodied ABS Manifolds of newer versions. ofcourse you can always swap those manifolds over to newer models... At least I think you can. Well thats my 2 cents hope it helped.

thanks chaps i just try and remain balanced!, ah yeah i'm forgetting about the e153 , i sometimes feel the s54 doesnt let you take advantage of all that torque. I think also the v6 for sure can be good for racing, i do know of some really powerfull fully built ones used for endurance racing, which is why i say if your not opening the engine up its probably more dependant on what you intend to do with it as to which is best, however if you intend to do a full on engine build, then its hard to see past the extra capacity of the v6.

mmm i love the 2gr-fe, i'm putting a blacktop beams in my gen 3 celica, as much because its rwd configuration makes it easier to install in the gen 3 as anything else, but i think when the time comes for more power, i wont be tuning the beams but will step up to the 2gr-fe hopefully by then they will be easier to get and cheaper too.

bonzai - the stock weight of the ss3 beams is 1210kg, the superstrut setup adds a bit of weight to the front so a mac strut celica with a beams would be around 1190-1200ish so yeah your about right i'd say.

This post has been edited by Edophus: Sep 14, 2009 - 4:34 AM

for more on the 2GRFE

visit this link http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=332390

it is the mainstream swap of the future for all toyotas that it fits. Can't wait to see someone try it in a 6GC.

and the question remains, does it bolt up to a AWD GT4 trans? if a header can fit behind the intermediate shaft and the block, there has to be room for the center dif of the GT4. I know I can barely squeeze my hand behind the shaft and block on my 3MZ and there's only aprox 10mm that doesn't clear for the center dif.



sorry for going a little off topic

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completely agree, in my eyes the 2gr-fe has pretty much rendered the beams/vz/mz and even the 1uz v8 engines redundant, or at least it will do once there a bit easier and cheaper to get the dual vvti and true dohc will make these engines very tunable aswell so i suspect the stock power is a lot less than there true potential.