yup they will need to be replaced.
6th Gen Celica Rally Car AWD Build - 6G Celicas Forums
Progress has been slow... I havent been working on it during the week days since the project i'm working on is behind and we're on mandatory 10 hour days.
Anyways, Got the engine pulled, I ran 220v to the garage where i'm working on this car, Wasn't going to weld the gauge with the 110v welder. Also got the tube bender bolted to the floor. I got a killer deal on my tube. I paid $1.50 a foot for 1.75 and 1.50" DOM. One of my dads buddies is a salesmen for a big steel company, they normally dont sell to the public just large jobs. I was quoted around $7 a foot from most other places.
Got the drivers seat mounted, it's fia homologated. Choices for seats is pretty limited, especially depending on your size, also expensive. This was a low end fia seat and it was 150$ more than my corbeau seats in the rx7 which are much much nicer. Obviously wouldnt pass tech though.
Also started the mounting feet for the cage. I plan on cutting the roof off, instead of cutting holes in the floor and dropping it down. I'm a much better welder when I have room/space.
Anyways, Got the engine pulled, I ran 220v to the garage where i'm working on this car, Wasn't going to weld the gauge with the 110v welder. Also got the tube bender bolted to the floor. I got a killer deal on my tube. I paid $1.50 a foot for 1.75 and 1.50" DOM. One of my dads buddies is a salesmen for a big steel company, they normally dont sell to the public just large jobs. I was quoted around $7 a foot from most other places.
Got the drivers seat mounted, it's fia homologated. Choices for seats is pretty limited, especially depending on your size, also expensive. This was a low end fia seat and it was 150$ more than my corbeau seats in the rx7 which are much much nicer. Obviously wouldnt pass tech though.
Also started the mounting feet for the cage. I plan on cutting the roof off, instead of cutting holes in the floor and dropping it down. I'm a much better welder when I have room/space.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
ill have to come see this sometime
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looking good. keep posting progress pics.
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Itll be much better to look at when its done haha I promise.
Have you been out to millerstown pic-a-part? Just curious if its worth the drive out there for random celica parts I might need.
QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Oct 31, 2010 - 1:49 PM) 
>ill have to come see this sometime
Itll be much better to look at when its done haha I promise.
Have you been out to millerstown pic-a-part? Just curious if its worth the drive out there for random celica parts I might need.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Reinforced the strut towers to handle the abuse. Started the cage. Just got the main hoop done, but I wanted to make sure it was super tight to the body so I took a lot of time drawing it out on the floor and I made a template after my calculations to make sure it would fit perfectly.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 8, 2010 - 10:00 PM
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 8, 2010 - 10:00 PM
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lookin good...be details on the mounting and what must be done to achieve a good rally car...i plan to put roll cage too, but i might as well learn from you first. at which point you put the bar and why that location as far for details please.
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Well, rally car is all about suspension. I'm strengthening all the strut towers because they take a ton of abuse when you're coming down from the air.
As far as putting the roll cage, you need to buy a bender + dies. I have a JD2 bender, with the bender, stand, dies, its about $900. The tube is around $7 a foot; I bought 120 feet. Fortunately for me, I know someone that had extra DOM laying around from a huge steel company and I got it for 1.50 a foot.
Building the cage itself... you have to build to whatever you plan on racing. Rally America and NHRA specs are completely different. My Rx7 cage was just a basicaly 4 point halo, plus removable door bars. This was just so I could run under 11.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile without being thrown out of the track. I probably only have 25 feet of tubing into it.
If you dont plan on racing in anything specific, I either wouldnt bother putting a cage in or just doing a basic roll bar.
Rx7 simple roll bar...
Vs.... something like this is what the rally cage will be...
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 10, 2010 - 2:52 PM
QUOTE (chacha @ Nov 8, 2010 - 10:17 PM)
>lookin good...be details on the mounting and what must be done to achieve a good rally car...i plan to put roll cage too, but i might as well learn from you first. at which point you put the bar and why that location as far for details please.
Well, rally car is all about suspension. I'm strengthening all the strut towers because they take a ton of abuse when you're coming down from the air.
As far as putting the roll cage, you need to buy a bender + dies. I have a JD2 bender, with the bender, stand, dies, its about $900. The tube is around $7 a foot; I bought 120 feet. Fortunately for me, I know someone that had extra DOM laying around from a huge steel company and I got it for 1.50 a foot.
Building the cage itself... you have to build to whatever you plan on racing. Rally America and NHRA specs are completely different. My Rx7 cage was just a basicaly 4 point halo, plus removable door bars. This was just so I could run under 11.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile without being thrown out of the track. I probably only have 25 feet of tubing into it.
If you dont plan on racing in anything specific, I either wouldnt bother putting a cage in or just doing a basic roll bar.
Rx7 simple roll bar...
Vs.... something like this is what the rally cage will be...
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 10, 2010 - 2:52 PM
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looks great so far man!
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I'll have some pics this week... got the entire middle of the body stitchwelded, removing all the seam sealer sucks. Front strut towers done, main hoop and half laterals welded in. After 4 revisions I finally have the drivers seat mounts done. I end up having to notch the frame rail and plate it to get it to fit where I need. Being tall sucks sometimes.
Anyways, the point of this post... i happend to purchase GT4 AWD stuff. I'm not worried about doing the actual swap it will be a cakewalk, but I do not want to run AWD my first year. I want to stick to 2WD to get my feet wet.
So my question is... can I install the the AWD transmission, leave the driveshaft off and just run the FWD axles. This way I dont have to purchase a differential/new axles/clutch for a transmission that will maybe see 3 race weekends.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 29, 2010 - 8:47 AM
Anyways, the point of this post... i happend to purchase GT4 AWD stuff. I'm not worried about doing the actual swap it will be a cakewalk, but I do not want to run AWD my first year. I want to stick to 2WD to get my feet wet.
So my question is... can I install the the AWD transmission, leave the driveshaft off and just run the FWD axles. This way I dont have to purchase a differential/new axles/clutch for a transmission that will maybe see 3 race weekends.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 29, 2010 - 8:47 AM
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Ehhh, I'm not sure if that would be in the best interest to use the AWD tranny and leave the driveshaft off.
To answer your question yes you could do it though.
To answer your question yes you could do it though.
your trans will blow in the middle of first race, the transfer cage of these trans is deising to split power 50 /50 front / rear, with no resistance on the rear it'll put extra stress on the transfer cage overheating it till it goes Boom !, if you really wanna stay FWD for now, your best bet is to use the stock gt trans ( S54 ) or source an MR2 turbo LSD trans for the very best FWD combo.
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Damn thanks for the info... Now i'm not sure what I want to do. I really do not want to buy a new clutch/axles/diff for the S54 transmission only to sell them a year from now. Maybe ill be moving to AWD way sooner than I expected. As long as it not turbo'd i'm still allowed to compete in the Open Light class, but i'm not allowed to compete in Open Heavy until I get enough driving points.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 29, 2010 - 12:59 PM
QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Nov 29, 2010 - 1:44 PM)
>your trans will blow in the middle of first race, the transfer cage of these trans is deising to split power 50 /50 front / rear, with no resistance on the rear it'll put extra stress on the transfer cage overheating it till it goes Boom !, if you really wanna stay FWD for now, your best bet is to use the stock gt trans ( S54 ) or source an MR2 turbo LSD trans for the very best FWD combo.
Damn thanks for the info... Now i'm not sure what I want to do. I really do not want to buy a new clutch/axles/diff for the S54 transmission only to sell them a year from now. Maybe ill be moving to AWD way sooner than I expected. As long as it not turbo'd i'm still allowed to compete in the Open Light class, but i'm not allowed to compete in Open Heavy until I get enough driving points.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 29, 2010 - 12:59 PM
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Once I finish the damn seat brackets i'll be able to rip through the rest of the cage, the hardest part is done.
Reinforced front strut tower.
Other Strut tower, hole cut in the firewall to attach the front strut tower to the cage.
Start of the driver seat brackets. I honestly have more time into this seat brackets than anything else. It's a nightmare trying to get the seat in the right position so i'm not cracking my head off the half lateral, while still being at right distance from the steering wheel. I end up having to notch the frame and plate it. I'll clean it up and reinforce it better.
Stitch welding the body. I've done this everywhere on the car that has spot welds. (Havent done the engine bay yet) It's a sucks trying to remove all the seam sealer though.
Half Laterals of the cage, I made it as tight to the body as I could.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 30, 2010 - 8:20 PM
Reinforced front strut tower.
Other Strut tower, hole cut in the firewall to attach the front strut tower to the cage.
Start of the driver seat brackets. I honestly have more time into this seat brackets than anything else. It's a nightmare trying to get the seat in the right position so i'm not cracking my head off the half lateral, while still being at right distance from the steering wheel. I end up having to notch the frame and plate it. I'll clean it up and reinforce it better.
Stitch welding the body. I've done this everywhere on the car that has spot welds. (Havent done the engine bay yet) It's a sucks trying to remove all the seam sealer though.
Half Laterals of the cage, I made it as tight to the body as I could.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Nov 30, 2010 - 8:20 PM
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
wow man! great progress! and stevenson, thanks for that! i always wondered why people didnt just block off the rear part of the AWD tranny!
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When I'm done with school I want to do the same thing with a Subaru or Mitsu, I love rally! Looks great!
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Awesome build! I love to see people do everything in house not buying a "kit". I would love to rally someday, but I am hooked on asphalt(road racing) currently. I don't mean to distract from the celica build, but do you have a link to your rx7 build or some pictures? Anyways I can't wait to see the rest of this!
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Thanks, yeah I do; it's on another forum that I think you need to be a member at to view; i'll just copy it here, lots of pictures.
All I have to do is change the valve springs and exhaust housing on the turbo and I should be putting out close to 850rwhp in the spring.
Day I bought it:
Cutting the fenders to make wider ones:
My favorite picture... stock vs. new.
Molded Fenders:
After the first year. 450rwhp, just ported heads and cam. Stock Block
Last years winter project, Viper Rear, new shortblock/fuel system, 76mm Turbo.
Headers I made:
New built shortblock:
Differential out of a 2000 Viper, Custom driveshaft shop axles.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Dec 8, 2010 - 7:06 PM
QUOTE (epocsirhc @ Dec 7, 2010 - 11:10 PM)
>Awesome build! I love to see people do everything in house not buying a "kit". I would love to rally someday, but I am hooked on asphalt(road racing) currently. I don't mean to distract from the celica build, but do you have a link to your rx7 build or some pictures? Anyways I can't wait to see the rest of this!
Thanks, yeah I do; it's on another forum that I think you need to be a member at to view; i'll just copy it here, lots of pictures.
All I have to do is change the valve springs and exhaust housing on the turbo and I should be putting out close to 850rwhp in the spring.
Day I bought it:
Cutting the fenders to make wider ones:
My favorite picture... stock vs. new.
Molded Fenders:
After the first year. 450rwhp, just ported heads and cam. Stock Block
Last years winter project, Viper Rear, new shortblock/fuel system, 76mm Turbo.
Headers I made:
New built shortblock:
Differential out of a 2000 Viper, Custom driveshaft shop axles.
This post has been edited by czwalga: Dec 8, 2010 - 7:06 PM
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
hot damn
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seriously.
this is pure sex. i love this. <3
QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Dec 8, 2010 - 5:51 PM)
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seriously.
this is pure sex. i love this. <3
A work in (extremely slow) progress
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I hope you were referring to the car, not the dog...
If the Celica gets 1/3 of the attention that your RX7 does, then I have no doubt that we're in the beginning of a great thread.
QUOTE (mmmchocolate @ Dec 8, 2010 - 11:35 PM)
>this is pure sex. i love this. <3
I hope you were referring to the car, not the dog...
If the Celica gets 1/3 of the attention that your RX7 does, then I have no doubt that we're in the beginning of a great thread.
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lmao
I don't get why he said "seriously." though.
I just think the car is jaw dropping.
QUOTE (richee3 @ Dec 9, 2010 - 3:39 AM)
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I hope you were referring to the car, not the dog...
QUOTE (mmmchocolate @ Dec 8, 2010 - 11:35 PM)
>this is pure sex. i love this. <3
I hope you were referring to the car, not the dog...
lmao
I don't get why he said "seriously." though.
I just think the car is jaw dropping.
Thanks for the compliments guys.
Hopefully ill be able to get some work done on the celica at some point. My project at works in major crunch time, worked 12 hours yesterday and they want me to differ my two weeks vacation over christmas for atleast a month. I was planning on getting a ton of work done over that time.
Hopefully ill be able to get some work done on the celica at some point. My project at works in major crunch time, worked 12 hours yesterday and they want me to differ my two weeks vacation over christmas for atleast a month. I was planning on getting a ton of work done over that time.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Well, I have off this week. Finally have some time to work on the car.
I cut the roof because where I mounted the cage it would have been a pain in the ass to drop the cage through the floor to complete the upper welds. Honestly it will be easy to weld back into place; grind/sand it down, little bondo and you'll never know i chopped it off.
I'm going to have to cut the entire cowl area out because when I cut through the firewall for the tube that attaches to the front strut towers. Well I'm dumb and realized water will be flowing through here when it rains and will now leak into the car. So i'll have to fix this somehow.
I cut the roof because where I mounted the cage it would have been a pain in the ass to drop the cage through the floor to complete the upper welds. Honestly it will be easy to weld back into place; grind/sand it down, little bondo and you'll never know i chopped it off.
I'm going to have to cut the entire cowl area out because when I cut through the firewall for the tube that attaches to the front strut towers. Well I'm dumb and realized water will be flowing through here when it rains and will now leak into the car. So i'll have to fix this somehow.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Anyone know where to buy the roof vent cover that was on the WRC rally cars? Not finding it anywhere. Probably going to have to make my own out of fiberglass...
This post has been edited by czwalga: Dec 27, 2010 - 10:26 PM
This post has been edited by czwalga: Dec 27, 2010 - 10:26 PM
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
I like your style. I have an FD and a GT4 Celica too.
I know what you're talking about tracking the FD. I'm on my 2nd FD tracking mine (time attack) after putting it into a barrier during nationals 2009. I found it a potent car at 260WHP finishing 2nd overall in the region for 2010. I can only imagine 550WHP with a V8. It would be scary.
I dabbled in rally-x but you know that scary feeling when you can't control your slide on the track, well rally-x is like that but the feeling never goes away.
I know what you're talking about tracking the FD. I'm on my 2nd FD tracking mine (time attack) after putting it into a barrier during nationals 2009. I found it a potent car at 260WHP finishing 2nd overall in the region for 2010. I can only imagine 550WHP with a V8. It would be scary.
I dabbled in rally-x but you know that scary feeling when you can't control your slide on the track, well rally-x is like that but the feeling never goes away.
I think you should check out this thread on gt4oc....yea you have to register ( and pay club fees 
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http://www.gt4oc.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=114205
and in case you dont want to register, there is a guy over in the UK prototyping these for commercial use "someday soon". But in his plight, someone was kind enough to post up some TTE diagrams of the roof scoop used on the rally cars...
Hope this helps you in case you decide to follow his route and make your own, or to just wait and buy one from him...but from this thread i think its obvious what you might do.....
) but it would be a worthwhile investment nonetheless!!http://www.gt4oc.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=114205
and in case you dont want to register, there is a guy over in the UK prototyping these for commercial use "someday soon". But in his plight, someone was kind enough to post up some TTE diagrams of the roof scoop used on the rally cars...
Hope this helps you in case you decide to follow his route and make your own, or to just wait and buy one from him...but from this thread i think its obvious what you might do.....
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amazing im saving this thread for sure. i swear you have read my mind on my ideals. I can finally start up again this summer. I had to take a year break due to a layoff and moving to florida. Im back on my feet now and ready to progress. My celica is a shell and I was prepping for the roll cage. Thanks for being an inspiration:-)
Thanks for the pic.
I've found a place to buy the vent, not cheap by any means. Not sure what im going to do. I'd spend the money if i knew it would work correctly, but its pretty raw. You only get the fiber glass and the aluminum handle.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.