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xkillerx
#1
Is there any (relatively) cheap way to increase low end torque on the 7AFE besides decreasing car weight?

Would an Injen intake or a K&N 57i europe kit help?

Different exhaust?

Unlike stated last year, I still have not gotten a new car, so I'd like to make the most of this one without serious mods while it's serving me.
You say you love flowers but you pick them, You say you love animals but you eat them, I fear the day you'll tell me you love me.
Smaay
#2
an intake and exhaust will help a little, if you can find a good header that will help too. but the best mod for the 7A-FE is turbo. Im suprised at how well it responds to boost.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
xkillerx
#3
For real? How much money and where can I order a complete DIY turbo kit?

What happens to fuel consumption and reliability?

How well does it respond at low rpm, like 1500-2500?

Etc etc . . . very interested! ! Me likey!
You say you love flowers but you pick them, You say you love animals but you eat them, I fear the day you'll tell me you love me.
96stgreendemon
#4
i have the egay header and i was quiet suprised by it, the car has alomost no lag now between when you hit the gas and when you go, you will feel a difference, not much, but a difference
1996 Toyota Celica Project Mean Green3RD Gen 3SGTE WRC Edition W/LSD E153 - Love BOOST <32001 Solar yellow Lexus IS3002001 Dodge ram 1500 Off-road edition
HectortheRican
#5
For some low end torque, you can advance your timing. And you can also get a voltage stabilizer. I'm not exactly sure how, but they're proven to slightly increase hp and tq. Especially Buddy Club brand, it makes the low end torque a bit more beefy. As soon as I can get one, it's going in my car. And x2 on everyone else's intake, header, exhaust.
taking too long to mod since '09June '12 COTM'95 AT200
xkillerx
#6
Thanks for the input, again, ST guys, if you could be more precise;

EXACTLY which manufacturer, model and part number intake, exhaust, voltage stabilizer.

Because I sure as hell don't want to internet order something that is quoted as a 7AFE part and is actually for the 3SGE.

Also if there are purchasable turbo kits out there, very interested.
You say you love flowers but you pick them, You say you love animals but you eat them, I fear the day you'll tell me you love me.
4-eyed-freek
#7
a freind of mine got this header, it was a good fit, we had no problemes putting it in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-1995-1...sQ5fAccessories

exhaust wise you will have to go to a shop to get it done, i went for an under axle style like presure2 did.. http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...23187&st=40

i hope this helps a bit.
It takes 8,460 bolts to assemble an automobile, and one nut to scatter it all over the road.Celica: The name is derived from the Spanish word for "heavenly" or "celestial".Back-2-Back July COTM 15&16
HectortheRican
#8
Voltage stabilizers are generally universal. As for intakes, you can make your own from piping and couplers from your auto parts store OR you could go with an intake for a 5SFE or 3SGE. Even though it's a little cramped, it's still save and works perfect. (I have an Injen Cyborg SRI for a 3SGE for my 7A, no problems). And for headers, any header for a 7AFE is going to be the same, you're going to have to take it to a muffler shop to have it extended to meet the rest of the muffler piping because they only make headers for the 7A's in Corollas, not for the Celicas. Hope this helps man.

And IMO, if you have a FWD car, you should go over axle muffler-wise. Negates scraping if you're running low and since there's no actual "axle" back there, there's no worries about pinching. Just my opinion though.

This post has been edited by HectortheRican: Oct 22, 2010 - 1:08 PM
taking too long to mod since '09June '12 COTM'95 AT200
HectortheRican
#10
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QUOTE (windowlicker @ Oct 22, 2010 - 12:41 PM) *
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QUOTE (4-eyed-freek @ Oct 22, 2010 - 11:57 AM) *
>a freind of mine got this header, it was a good fit, we had no problemes putting it in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-1995-1...sQ5fAccessories


did he have to get that one extended or was it direct fit?

All of the 7A headers for Celicas need to be extended.
taking too long to mod since '09June '12 COTM'95 AT200
mgnt232
#11
Intake and exhaust, really no "true" power gains. maybe 5-10hp? if your lucky. It will sound better and give a slightly better response. I mean dont get me wrong i went down that route first, and from the stock silence to the aftermarket roar, you'll feel like your alot faster smile.gif
And turboing, isnt cheap! You gotta pay to play! Sure you can slap a turbo on... but it wont last, and all the tuning, and little things are gonna come back to bite you. For a good DD 7afte like stephs, your looking at 4-5k+ with alot of work
IMO if your spending that kind of money, just go the 3s route. Replacing essentials, and swapping properly (most 3s's have like 30k miles). Your looking at a pretty reliable DD, with serious potential!!!
But good luck in anything you can do, make sure you have a decent muffler shop around you to make your custom exhaust smile.gif

agreed
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xkillerx
#12
Doggamnit. I took a spin in a 2001 MR2 and **** my pants how nicely it responds - and fantastic pull from ANY rev (unlike the psycho WRX - no pull until 4k and then it tears your head off).

I'll probably go for a Lancer Ralliart once 1 year old used cars are available on the market, and until then I wanted a bit more torque from the Celi. Guess it's not gonna be that easy, or toyota already would've dont that, huh?
You say you love flowers but you pick them, You say you love animals but you eat them, I fear the day you'll tell me you love me.
HectortheRican
#13
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QUOTE (xkillerx @ Oct 22, 2010 - 1:21 PM) *
>Guess it's not gonna be that easy, or toyota already would've dont that, huh?

They did... in Japan. Lol. Us 7A's and 5S's got the blunt end of the stick kindasad.gif
taking too long to mod since '09June '12 COTM'95 AT200
4-eyed-freek
#14
it was a direct fit, we drove it over to the local muffler shop with only the header and the bit after it. so loud! he got some work done there but it was a direct fit with the oem exhaust.

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QUOTE (windowlicker @ Oct 22, 2010 - 2:41 PM) *
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QUOTE (4-eyed-freek @ Oct 22, 2010 - 11:57 AM) *
>a freind of mine got this header, it was a good fit, we had no problemes putting it in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-1995-1...sQ5fAccessories


did he have to get that one extended or was it direct fit?



really they need to be extended? hmmm mabey my friend had some exhaust work done before hand, all i know is we didnt need to do anything but bolt it on, i will have to talk to him to see, im intrested in this now lol.

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QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Oct 22, 2010 - 2:42 PM) *
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QUOTE (windowlicker @ Oct 22, 2010 - 12:41 PM) *
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QUOTE (4-eyed-freek @ Oct 22, 2010 - 11:57 AM) *
>a freind of mine got this header, it was a good fit, we had no problemes putting it in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-1995-1...sQ5fAccessories


did he have to get that one extended or was it direct fit?

All of the 7A headers for Celicas need to be extended.

It takes 8,460 bolts to assemble an automobile, and one nut to scatter it all over the road.Celica: The name is derived from the Spanish word for "heavenly" or "celestial".Back-2-Back July COTM 15&16
HectortheRican
#15
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QUOTE (4-eyed-freek @ Oct 22, 2010 - 6:25 PM) *
>really they need to be extended? hmmm mabey my friend had some exhaust work done before hand, all i know is we didnt need to do anything but bolt it on, i will have to talk to him to see, im intrested in this now lol.

Hey Skyler, you've got a GT lol. Your headers bolt right on, I believe. Us 7A guys need some Extenze laugh.gif
taking too long to mod since '09June '12 COTM'95 AT200
qatar11
#16
The fundamental problem with the 7A can be best described by this photo:



What you can see is the difference in the openings between the 7AFE Exhaust ports and the 3rd Gen 3SGTE smile.gif

We have the Ebay header on the race car... and yes you have to extend... something? we dump the exhaust (de-cat-ed) through that resonator and then out the side of the car - Sounds Great and we are quite happy with the few extra HP we scavenged because of it.
-Mikemjcoury@gmail.comTeam Reynolds StyleCelica BlogCelica WikiIt will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work.
4-eyed-freek
#17
i know lol but my friend has an st.

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QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Oct 22, 2010 - 8:39 PM) *
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QUOTE (4-eyed-freek @ Oct 22, 2010 - 6:25 PM) *
>really they need to be extended? hmmm mabey my friend had some exhaust work done before hand, all i know is we didnt need to do anything but bolt it on, i will have to talk to him to see, im intrested in this now lol.

Hey Skyler, you've got a GT lol. Your headers bolt right on, I believe. Us 7A guys need some Extenze laugh.gif

It takes 8,460 bolts to assemble an automobile, and one nut to scatter it all over the road.Celica: The name is derived from the Spanish word for "heavenly" or "celestial".Back-2-Back July COTM 15&16
Bitter
#18
advance timing and run higher octane fuel
intake
exhaust
header
air/fuel tune
reground cams
increase the compression ratio

or put in stronger pistons with stock CR and boost it. keeping stock CR means you won't be as laggy off boost.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
HectortheRican
#19
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 23, 2010 - 7:39 PM) *
>run higher octane fuel

Unless you suggest running race fuel, premium pump gas will have no effects on performance vs regular.
taking too long to mod since '09June '12 COTM'95 AT200
easternpiro1
#20
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QUOTE (xkillerx @ Oct 22, 2010 - 9:29 AM) *
>For real? How much money and where can I order a complete DIY turbo kit?

What happens to fuel consumption and reliability?

How well does it respond at low rpm, like 1500-2500?

Etc etc . . . very interested! ! Me likey!



i can answer that question easily for ya....it goes right out the window. biggrin.gif
but good luck with your progress man! keep us updated!

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Oct 23, 2010 - 8:56 PM
QUOTE (Galcobar @ Oct 15, 2008 - 2:44 AM)You want power but have no money. That's a problem.Cheap. Reliable. Fast. Pick two.
qatar11
#21
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QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Oct 23, 2010 - 9:47 PM) *
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 23, 2010 - 7:39 PM) *
>run higher octane fuel

Unless you suggest running race fuel, premium pump gas will have no effects on performance vs regular.


I think you are taking Bitter's comment a little out of context here.
-Mikemjcoury@gmail.comTeam Reynolds StyleCelica BlogCelica WikiIt will take him a moment to realize that he's about to make a 180 degree turn at speed, but you will be ready for it. Brace for the g's, and fast heel-toe work.
zoik
#22
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QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Oct 23, 2010 - 9:47 PM) *
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 23, 2010 - 7:39 PM) *
>run higher octane fuel

Unless you suggest running race fuel, premium pump gas will have no effects on performance vs regular.


I think you are taking Bitter's comment a little out of context here.

if you want to play safely with timing and prevent prematured detonation, hgiher octane needed smile.gif
Bitter
#23
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QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Oct 23, 2010 - 8:47 PM) *
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 23, 2010 - 7:39 PM) *
>run higher octane fuel

Unless you suggest running race fuel, premium pump gas will have no effects on performance vs regular.

with 15deg base timing set I could see a consistent difference in knock counts on my safc between 87, 89, and 93 octane fuel. not only could I see a difference in knock counts, I could feel a difference in how it ran at full throttle. the 7A likes a little more timing, but really needs either slightly colder plugs or higher octane fuel...or both to take the best advantage of it.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
HectortheRican
#24
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 24, 2010 - 9:50 AM) *
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QUOTE (HectortheRican @ Oct 23, 2010 - 8:47 PM) *
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QUOTE (Bitter @ Oct 23, 2010 - 7:39 PM) *
>run higher octane fuel

Unless you suggest running race fuel, premium pump gas will have no effects on performance vs regular.

with 15deg base timing set I could see a consistent difference in knock counts on my safc between 87, 89, and 93 octane fuel. not only could I see a difference in knock counts, I could feel a difference in how it ran at full throttle. the 7A likes a little more timing, but really needs either slightly colder plugs or higher octane fuel...or both to take the best advantage of it.

Oh wow sorry, I had tunnel vision in the form of reading. All I saw was higher octane haha. But yeah you're right, higher timing, higher octane. My bad!
taking too long to mod since '09June '12 COTM'95 AT200
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