how does motortrend figure that the Caldina is 'kind of youth orientated coupe'?

the caldina is and always has been a 5 door wagon based on a japanese sedan inbetween the size of a corolla and a camry and they only have soarer, celica and mrs in japan as sporty coupes

i would have thought that there would be a new celica next year, since the 7th gen came out in 99 and i dont think it would last as long as the 6th gen and it was face lifted a few years from being launched. i reckon watch out for any toyota concept coupes at motorshows like the XYS (was that what it was called?) that was a 'concept' and a few months later the same thing was a celica with a different rear spoiler.

well i think its smart of toyota to change up the celica and switch it over to the scion brand..... ture it's not going to be a toyota celica anymore but shift, things change... scion only had two cars in its line up then need to add cheap more powerful cars to their line up.. i feel toyota it doing some smart moves.... they have lexus.. for the the older richer folk... toyota for your everyday 9 to 5 family person... and now scion for the younger work at burger king just out of high school crowd..

don't be shocked if a few years you see some cars showing up under the scion name plate that resamble a celica, supra, or mr2....

have faith in toyota...

I think toyota has been slipping in the past few years, they have been shifting towards a more family oriented type of market. But i think its retarded that they get rid of a car that has sold like crazy since the 70's or 60's(not sure which). Anyways i dont think they should get rid of it and they probably wont. I wont be suprised if they quit on the celica, i say this because next year the corollas will have a new model, the corolla xrs which is the same as the 1.8L used in the celica and matrix, so its possible that the corolla will replace the celi......its a shame!!!

-snadman+Nov 29, 2003 - 3:04 PM

-CurrenZS+Dec 5, 2003 - 2:16 AM

I dont know I think Id ave to see it in person to make a 100% decision but ya I dont think Ill like it. Id rather just get the new mazda3 thats coming out, it looks pretty sweet, and well im at it Ill just upgrade to a RX-8":) Soooooo sweet

I just hope that all this hooplah isn't true. I really love the celicas. I am not a huge fan of all the body styles, but i think that every gen body style has been a good one. I do know that toyota has been making the celica a weak little bitch since the 5th gen(excl. alltrac). The 6th and 7th are weak cars power wise. maybe they did this on purpose to put more R&D into other cars. If not then they are being dumb. If they dio stop, I will keep my celica till it won't run anymore. I was looking to get a new supra or celica. hell I might not buy another toyota if they stop celica. this just pisses me off >>

from what i understand after reading a thread on club4ag is...

due to popular demand, they are bringing back the FR corolla. the ae86 specifically. only its not going to be a hachi. its going to be based off the altezza platform. with a 3sge in it.

but its going to be a 3 door hatch looking like a futuristic hachi. the concept designs that i saw were pretty cool. and i know that if that car's base is less than 20K...well it looks like there are going to be plenty of them around.

the car looks nice too. but i think id rather have a hachi with a 4agze.

as for the celica...it wouldnt surprise me if it did die off. atleast it kind of went out with a bang considering the ridiculous amount of 7gc's i see compared to 6gc. hell i see more 5 and 4 gc's than i do 6gc. im surprised it made it to seven.

yeah...US market always gets the shaft...and balls

[QUOTE]There's no U.S. market for a 2 door AWD turbocharged sports car. That's the big difference maker... the celica is a 2 door sports car... not a 4 door sports sedan. As far as a competitive price goes... gt-4s always were in the 30K range... so that's also very unlikely.



^Just wondering man, why is there no market for 2-door AWD turbos??? i am so sick of seeing mommy sedans flying around with their big ass ends up in the air looking like box >>

This post has been edited by celicamanSTX2GT: Dec 10, 2003 - 1:39 AM

-celicamanSTX2GT+Dec 9, 2003 - 11:37 PM

-Kwanza+Dec 10, 2003 - 3:28 AM

oh i was just asking you why there is no market for 2 door turbos anymore.. like literally i dont know why so i ask you lol. i see nothing around my town...there isnt not one all trac in town, a few 5th gens, maybe 5 6th gens, and a butt load of 7th's. theres a good number of dsm's round here though that are turboed. what we do have around here are alot of guys runnin around in their protege turbos, neon turbos and other stupid crap... i just hate em cuz i feel it defeats the purpose. why do u need a turbo-charged grocery getter? gotta spool down the road to pick up you kid from school? sedan = family and families shouldnt being riding around in super fast cars is my two cents. But yeah i was just askin why the market is all for turbo sedans over two doors??? it just frustrates me >>

This post has been edited by celicamanSTX2GT: Dec 10, 2003 - 1:51 PM

probably the reason there arent really anymore sport/sporty coupes with balls is because like people have said, theres no market for them. car companies like to tell us what we want, and they pretty much have no clue. most teens (at least, the ones i know) arent hard over corollas and scions (fugly imo btw).

second, most likely its cause no one wants to give a teenager a fast car cause supposedly we're dangerous. i know some are, but that just reeks of ageism (?). mature people arent gonna get em cause they have families, and the ones that dont go for higher end models like corvettes etc. cause what middle aged man wants to be seen in a "kids" car? i dunno...i agree it sucks. just my opinion/idea. any comments?

This post has been edited by LuDaChRiS: Dec 10, 2003 - 3:33 PM

hey,
NEW Scion Tc will be unveiled Jan 4th in Detroit..

it is a coupe with a hatchback style trunk lid..

looks like 2.4l is only motor w/ s/c available later ..

someone do a seach on net for scion Tc there is a picture of real car back section on a bunch of websites and post here ..


d-

Well, I am probably going to get flamed on this, but I disagree with those of you that are calling the Celica a sports car. Now, I do agree that it is a sporty, fun-to-drive car, but a sports car it is not.

Out of curiousity, does your guys(americans) 7th gens have 185hp?

-GT4SUM+Dec 11, 2003 - 3:17 PM

Cone i agree with you the celica is not a sports car it's a sporty car.. but as for a sports car having to be RWD i disagree on that... a sports car can be FWD and anyone that says you can't get as much HP or TQ out of a FWD is ever much mistaken...

-macavely+Dec 11, 2003 - 8:53 PM

Yes.

-97sccelica+Dec 12, 2003 - 1:14 AM

LSD helps, but when a high power car launches, there is a weight shift to the back, naturally reducing the weight on the front wheels, reducing front wheel traction.

then there is torque steer, which is annoying in my ST-T

-97sccelica+Dec 12, 2003 - 2:34 AM

I personally like what that guy MR-E said on celica.net. He has a JDM GT-4. He said he just drives around corners and floors it, he lets his differentials sort it out. True, understeer can be a problem with AWD, but AWD like a skyline is the greatest.

From what I have read,the skyline GT-R's are basically RWD, but when they Really lose traction, the front end catches and it's all over >>

Jon

The Celica not a sports car? You must be kidding.

If the celica is not a sports car then what kind of car was carlos sainz was driving when he was winning all those chiampionships?

The problem is that \many thigs are different and different countries. In the US the distances are bigger, the cars are a lot bigger etc. In my country a 2000cc car is considered a big car. I live on a small island and the distances are not that great, so people do not need large and high powered cars. So the measure of comparison is different from country to country.
I have a GT4 and my friends have SS III and GT4s and even if you do not tune this cars they are sport enough.
SS III 200bhp, 21 torque
GT4 260bhp, 31 torque

I agree with many of you that the 7th gen is a bit crap. But not a lot. in my point of view the 7 is decent.

Marketing and promotion plays a big role. Just look what Mitsubishi, Pegeot, Subaru accomplished. You just cannot say you have a sports car if you dont race it internationally against other cars. And i do not think that anyone disagrees with me when i say that Impreza or the Lancer has a sports car design

Personally 6g Celica best car ever. (first gen Celica in second place-just loved the rwd when i was kid)

-ConeTrouble+Dec 11, 2003 - 2:56 PM

without 16k mustangs, camaros and firebirds. toyota would be stupid to not release a new, not a pricey. more bang for your buck engine wise celica.

these companys dont realize how much they are going to miss their small cheap selling sports cars.

look at ford, the f'ed up. how many mustangs do yo usee driving thru town. i dont know about you but i gurantee i see 50 a day. not looking for them. and for ford to just cut them out and make the new mustang with a $$ of 50k+. Thats ridiculous.

Toyota better bring the celica back. we need more cheap sports cars.

z's, rx-8s, and such are great. But they are all over 30k