So im still a little confused on what all is involved when swapping the wiring from the 7a to the 4age.
The wiring harness has to be extended and some parts of the 7a tied into it correct?
Just confused on what all is involved in the task, if someone could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated
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The wiring harness doesn't necessarily have to be extended. You can cut a new hole in the firewall to run the harness through to the ECU. Check out Batman722's swap thread for a reference of where to cut the hole at.
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Ok let me get this, so does the ecu just connect to stock pin outs for the interior then the same way as the 7a ecu does?
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QUOTE (96stgreendemon @ Jan 20, 2011 - 3:05 PM)
>So im still a little confused on what all is involved when swapping the wiring from the 7a to the 4age.
The wiring harness has to be extended and some parts of the 7a tied into it correct?
Just confused on what all is involved in the task, if someone could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated
Are you swapping in a 20v? If so, send your harness to Tweak'd Performance for a plug and play conversion. e-mail me. contact@tweakdperformance.com
www.tweakdperformance.comsales@tweakdperformance.com
Yeah its going to be a 20v swap, you have mail
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As I stated in another thread, mr220v on mr2oc and mr2.com will do a PnP harness as well for a couple hundred less than dr. tweak wants.
He can be reached at : mr220v@gmail.com
This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Jan 21, 2011 - 4:13 PM
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QUOTE (96stgreendemon @ Jan 21, 2011 - 3:42 PM)
>Yeah its going to be a 20v swap, you have mail
You have a reply
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Definitely swapping a 20V in, Kyle?
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Its looking that way, still looking between a silvertop and blacktop, more towards the blacktop though, i dont plan to boost it so its the better option.
I went this way because im not really looking for a 260 hp fwd car, this will be a nice 160 ish with lsd which is all i really need and its a little more budget friendly
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Awesome! I've been trying to convince people to swap lately. I kinda wish my project car was an ST so I could do a 4A swap.
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Yeah, and it just seems like there are not enough 20 valve swaps on here, and i believe that i will be the first documented blacktop swap on the site
This post has been edited by 96stgreendemon: Jan 22, 2011 - 5:04 PM
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Youll be the first DOCUMENTED swap, if you do do it.
http://www.6gc.net/celicas/1995-st-coupe-8975http://www.6gc.net/celicas/1994-st-coupe-6030Im gonna have to fully rebuild my 7a this summer, and if the cost isnt much more i may throw in a 4age instead.
Eh i was looking at a rebuild on the 7a, but by the time i priced everything i was almost to the same price as it would be to swap, and a few more ponies wouldnt be so bad lol
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160ish from a Blacktop?
Try 135whp. For real.
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^^ Which is what the 5S gets to the crank. Not a bad improvement from the 7A at all.
I couldn't agree with you more, Kyle. There are only a handful of 20V swaps that I know of on the site, and I believe only one member actually still posts. And the Blacktop swap would be loads of fun. Plus you can pick up the 20V pretty cheap compared to the 3S-GTE/BEAMS. It's not a bad swap at all. Some people complain about the lack of torque, but it's still a major upgrade from the 7A.
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QUOTE (richee3 @ Jan 23, 2011 - 10:42 AM)
>^^ Which is what the 5S gets to the crank. Not a bad improvement from the 7A at all.
Your talking about a 10-20 wheel hp difference over a 5sfe. Is that honestly worth all the work and money that it takes to swap a car?
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The 20v is a cool swap for a show car, but in reality the Celica is just too heavy for that motor.
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Yes i know that its not a big improvement, but im not looking for alot of power, my engine is on its way out and the swap can be done for not too much money, i have looked into the 3sgte and for me at the time its too much money. Besides i dont really plan on driving fast, i rarely do, my car is built for backroads, and the big perk of the blacktop it the weight of it and the one i have been looking at has an lsd tranny, which is what im looking for most, it may not be what everyone thinks is the best swap for the car but it's something different
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QUOTE (lagos @ Jan 23, 2011 - 12:46 PM)
>Your talking about a 10-20 wheel hp difference over a 5sfe. Is that honestly worth all the work and money that it takes to swap a car?
I forget the exact hp of the 7A, but wouldn't the 20V be something like a 40 whp improvement over the 7A?
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Figure about 40whp, but the torque curve isn't the same. It feels/is slower because you don't get peak torque until somewhere in the 6k rpm range.
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20v's heavily rely on the close ratio gear boxes theyre usually mated up to.
i dont know about at200 celicas but i know that ae111 corolla/trueno/levin for the same gear and the same speed, when a 3s/5s powered celica cruises at 2000rpm those 20v's cruise at 3000rpm for the same speed, and its not until 5th or 6th gear that the revs are the same as what a celica cruises at.
what this means in effect is... if u keep ur standard gearbox, and say if 2nd gear used to redline at 60mph and 6000rpm then with the 20v in 2nd gear your redline (and peak power) will be at 80mph and 8000rpm. this means ull never be in power band when u go around corners unless ur still in 1st gear, but thats ok, its no worse than before since your 7a never made any power anyways.
i dont know if u can use the 6 speed gearbox in ur celica that high spec blacktop cars had, but atleast get the 5 speed that they also came with.
EDIT: oh and the other thing is 20v's rely on the lightweightness of the car. in a 20v powered car the only way they can punch as hard as a celica from 3000rpm is by having 200kgs less weight.
This post has been edited by delusionz: Jan 24, 2011 - 11:44 AM
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Im planning to use the 5 speed LSD transmission that is already bolted up to the engine so gearing will reamain the same as in the levin
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the 5sp is still a c52 transmission, so unless they geared it differently, it'll be the same.
A c60 with lsd would be nice, but they're fragile.
To liven it up, get your hands on a toda flywheel, t3 velocity stacks with jubiride mesh screens, and that's about all you can do to the 20v... Don't expect it to be very fast. It won't accelerate as well as the 7a, but it'll make beautiful noise as it does.
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Bump, anyone with a 20v have any imput? i know the yeli celi was a 20v but anyone else?
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Netrata in the 808 has a silvertop
This post has been edited by SupraKid: Jan 24, 2011 - 2:30 PM
When I had the Yelli Celi dynoed it put down 130whp/130tq
The tuner, who specializes in the 4ag platform told me to expect 5whp difference with a blacktop, but no tq change.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's an awesome motor and fun to drive, but it NEEDS to be above 5k rpm at all time to really shine.
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Hmm..... Well depending on the price difference i may be going with a silvertop... who knows, i've been on club4ag alot lately doing some research and alot of them say there is a difference weather large or small because of the head having a diffrent port and having lighter rods and pistons allowing it to rev higher with less friction.... i guess back to researching
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silvertop vs blacktop?? the torque is the same. how much torque can u get from 1.6L anyways? the blacktop is able to rev 600rpm higher to account for 5hp. lol
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Wrong.
Peak power is made in the 6k rpm range... Which leaves both motors over 2k rpm left to run out.
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